nklr: kerry for pres

[Jeffery McLaughlin]

They told us in my MSF class to make sure you drive your tires as close to the lines that are cut it the road as possible. I do this and it seems to work. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." --John Stewart Mill-- To repeat what others have said requires education; to challenge it requires brains. --Mary Pettibone Poole-- What luck for rulers that men do not think. --Adolf Hitler-- I know you are all familiar with those traffic light changers that sense the presence of a vehicle. Is it my imagination or does a motorcycle NOT set these things off? Are they weight or magnetic operated? It seems that the light won't change when I stop alone at my local lights. Maybe it is just my imagination and impatience. The light always eventually changes, but that seems to be because a car always eventually comes along. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

[oleland1]

I have the Green light trigger on two of my bikes and I cannot tell if they work or not,I still get stuck at some stoplights.The literature says to drive slowly over one side or the other of the loop coil in the road and I always try to do that,but it does'nt seem to make any difference.I usually just treat the stop light like a stop sign and go when the traffic is clear,and have'nt been arrested yet.

[klr6501995]

After l call from my knew place of employment the bothersome light worked that very same day and has since. Got pulled over once in Wichita Ks after 3 cycles of the light about 2:30 am. I could even see the officer parked by the bank. Turn signals and all. He let me go after "You ran a red light! Yes sir, I waited three cycles and saw you the whole time." Course he wanted to smell if beer was on my breath. Wich wasn't.Still freaking pissed me off he pulled me over! The one time I went down and in the recent year was doing the right turn cuz a light wouldn't turn. I hit untraveled section of the road and gravel making this wide and illegal right turn accross several lanes and hit the road hard at about 30mph. Thanks to the real bike suit no harm done. I'm now more of less the attitude "fu__ em" no traffic I'm going. I do pay road taxes and will fight any freaking ticket I get. Putting the kickstand down on one of the cuttings in the road works well. Breaking the cutting in the road several times with your front wheel while coming to a stop works sometimes. Some light use your high beams to trip them at night (wichita Ks). Good luck. A trick that has been recommended by the --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Guy B. Young II - COG Tech Ed" wrote:

> Tis true, but not in my state (VA) - yet - but we're working on

it. Law enforcement will usually tell you it's best to make a right turn (where allowed on a red signal), then find the most convenient, safe, place to do a U-turn.

> > I've been pretty successful in dropping a note to the local Traffic

Engineer (Richmond), indicating which intersection is giving me a problem. All of the ones I made them aware of worked with my bike(s) in about a weeks time.

> > Guy > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Judson D. Jones" > Sent: Aug 27, 2004 10:50 AM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: automatic traffic light changes > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski"

> wrote: > > I know you are all familiar with those traffic light changers

that sense the

> > presence of a vehicle. Is it my imagination or does a motorcycle

NOT set

> > these things off? Are they weight or magnetic operated? It seems

that the

> > light won't change when I stop alone at my local lights. Maybe it

is just my

> > imagination and impatience. The light always eventually changes,

but that

> > seems to be because a car always eventually comes along. > > It's not your imagination. A number of states have passed laws

allowing a

> motorcycle to go through a red light if it is controlled by one of

these devices,

> isn't activated by your bike, and if no cross traffic is coming.

[klr6501995]

Oh and sorry , forgot to mention the most frustrating thing of the damned lights are that if roundaabouts (I rode in England and Germany) were used instead of the lights there;d be no problem. Course then you have to limit driving licenses to about 40 percent of the population as the other remaing percentage would be incapable of actually having the driving capacity or resposibility to negotiate roundabouts. Fact. W/o posted referances. NO LAW REQUIRING TURN SIGNALS IN DUVAL COUNTY Fla. AS PER THE SHERIFFS OFFICE. (904) 630-0500. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lee Green wrote:

> Mike Peplinski wrote: > > >I know you are all familiar with those traffic light changers that

sense the

> >presence of a vehicle. Is it my imagination or does a motorcycle

NOT set

> >these things off? Are they weight or magnetic operated? It seems

that the

> >light won't change when I stop alone at my local lights. > > > It's not your imagination. They are magnetic operated, but can be

tricky

> to trigger with a motorcycle. There's a procedure to use on these

guys:

> > 1) Look for the lines on the pavement where the sensors were

installed.

> Generally this will be a) about a foot from the left side of the

lane,

> b) down the middle of the lane, and c) about a foot from the right

side

> of the lane, at the head of the lane about a foot before the

crosswalk line.

> > 2) Position your motorcycle over one of the sensor lines > > 3) Wait. Bounce up and down a bit to try to get the bike's magnetic

mass

> lower to the ground. > > 4) If after a couple of minutes it doesn't change, move your bike

over a

> bit and put the kickstand down on the line. > > 5) Wait. > > 6) If it still doesn't work, call your city's streets department

and

> tell them that the particular sensor in question needs to be > re-adjusted. They will laugh at you. Contact your local city

counciller

> and tell him that the streets department laughed at you. The city > counciller will tell you he doesn't like "murdercycles" and you

ought to

> get an SUV like everybody else. Or, if you're lucky, you'll live in

a

> motorcycle-friendly place in California and they'll send somebody

right

> out to fix it. > > Finally: Some lights are simply programmed to wait a long time.

There

> was one left turn lane (Fair Oaks to Arques in Sunnyvale CA) that, > during morning rush hour, would cycle only every second time that

the

> light went green. Presumably this was done during the dot-com era

when

> that was a busy intersection. Nowadays, naturally, that

intersection is

> a virtual ghost town. But it is extremely frustrating to see the

light

> turn green, and... no turn arrow. This happened whether you were in

a

> car or on a motorcycle, but had nothing to do with the sensors, and > everything to do with 5-year-old traffic measurements that the

streets

> department defended as correct even though clearly they were now

wrong.

> Sometimes streets departments will do anything possible to avoid

work .

> > -ee

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-08-27 12:45:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mike21b@... writes:

> > Does anyone know if this law exists in PA? Since Mike P brought the > subject up, it has reminded me of the pain in the ass that it is ("it" > being motorcycles not triggering the traffic signal)! > >

I don't know about other states, but in Nevada the DOT has switched to using motion sensors for triggering the lights because they solve the motorcycle problem. All you need to do is make sure you ride up the middle of the lane and the sensor will catch the movement of the a bike. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-08-27 1:55:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spworf@... writes:

> > They told us in my MSF class to make sure you drive your tires as close to > the lines that are cut it the road as possible. I do this and it seems to > work. > >

And, get right up over the loop closest to the intersection, even if you have to cross the line. With some of these systems they can tune the sensitivity of the individual loops, so to try and help motorcycles they will tune this loop to be very sensitive. It was interesting. Out in the Carson Valley even the big bikes had trouble triggering the lights. Within a year of the sheriffs department getting an HD suddenly even my KLR was regularly tripping all the lights, so there could be something to it. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kdxkawboy@aol.com]

In a message dated 2004-08-27 4:31:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time, vansee@... writes:

> > Oh and sorry , forgot to mention the most frustrating thing of the > damned lights are that if roundaabouts (I rode in England and > Germany) were used instead of the lights there;d be no problem. > Course then you have to limit driving licenses to about 40 percent of > the population as the other remaing percentage would be incapable of > actually having the driving capacity or resposibility to negotiate > roundabouts. > >

Nevada DOT is starting to push the use of roundabouts as a traffic 'calming' device for busy intersections. They have put a couple in Carson City on the backroads the locals use to bypass traffic on the US50/US395 corridor. I like them, they are real neat on a bike. All you got to do is time your entry to flow with traffic and you get to zoom you turn, neat when you get to do a 270 left hand turn. Pat G'ville, Nv [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[russell_dixon@bd.com]

My motorcycle does not set these things off. I have to turn right, then left, to go straight... "rwhitham" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com gh.net> cc: (bcc: Russell Dixon/SUMT/BDX) Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: automatic traffic light changes 08/27/2004 03:54 PM I have not tried this, but here is one of those automatic changers: http://www.greenlightstuff.com/trigger.html --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" wrote:

> I know you are all familiar with those traffic light changers that

sense the

> presence of a vehicle. Is it my imagination or does a motorcycle

NOT set

> these things off?

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[denis@teachlinux.com]

When I lived in CA I had this problem.. I usally just called the city and told them the problem, usally fixed it. Denis

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 russell_dixon@... wrote: > > My motorcycle does not set these things off. I have to turn right, then > left, to go straight... > > > > > "rwhitham" > DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > gh.net> cc: (bcc: Russell Dixon/SUMT/BDX) > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: automatic traffic light changes > 08/27/2004 03:54 > PM > > > > > > > > I have not tried this, but here is one of those automatic changers: > > http://www.greenlightstuff.com/trigger.html > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Peplinski" > wrote: > > I know you are all familiar with those traffic light changers that > sense the > > presence of a vehicle. Is it my imagination or does a motorcycle > NOT set > > these things off? > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > ******************************************************************* > IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOR RECIPIENTS IN THE U.S.A.: This message may > constitute an advertisement of a BD group's products or services > or a solicitation of interest in them. If this is such a message > and you would like to opt out of receiving future advertisements > or solicitations from this BD group, please forward this e-mail > to optoutbygroup@.... > ******************************************************************* > This message (which includes any attachments) is intended only > for the designated recipient(s). It may contain confidential or > proprietary information and may be subject to the attorney-client > privilege or other confidentiality protections. If you are not a > designated recipient, you may not review, use, copy or distribute > this message. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender > by reply e-mail and delete this message. > Thank you. > ******************************************************************* > Corporate Headquarters Mailing Address: > BD (Becton, Dickinson and Company) > 1 Becton Drive > Franklin Lakes, NJ 07417 U.S.A. > ******************************************************************* > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[Harry Seifert]

Hey West F&^% No to either, Vote for Bruce Brown. On any Sunday, we'll have an endless summer. buddy

> [Original Message] > From: WILLAM GILMORE > To: WEST HOVLAND ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 8/29/2004 10:01:22 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] NKLR: kerry for Pres > > How about if we ask the monitor to identify the author of the first

political post and hang'em by his oysters. Next, lets chip-in $200.00 each and buy Mark a new bike if he'll agree not leave us?

> > WEST HOVLAND wrote:Will all you Ideolog's just shut

the hell up! You guys would vote for a

> Republican Charles Manson or a Democratic Jeffery Dalmar's if that was

the

> choice. > > I'm not just picking on you Pdair94. > > West > (fed up with the political diatribe's) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "pdair94" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 1:08 PM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] NKLR: kerry for Pres.????? > > > > > > How can you take this guy seriously? He stands there with a straight > > face and glorifies his war record from a war that most people > > considered to be unjust.While at the same time doing nothing but > > condeming the current administration for participating in what other > > people consider to be an unjust war.Deeeeep breath. That is just my > > opinion I could be wrong. C-ya > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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