TC steering

[LuckyFloridaLin@aol.com]

Dear Sherwood: Truly appreciate that. We are all in shock, but he was never the same after the operation. Doctors perform miracles but at what price. His life was gone. Those close to him found it more than difficult to maintain friendships and just couldn't do it. I believe now that heroic measures are not the way. Thom **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[joecurto@aol.com]

Thom I installed one of your kits and customer likes it fine, I in the course of installing it made up the tie rod which goes from box / pitman arm to wheel and can supply it along with a VW tie rod end ( VW tie rod to TC tie rod) . Bill Bollendock the " US father" of this conversion has told me that he has made a key machined part for this conversionm and has that for sale also . He has a very nice detailed instruction sheet about this conversion Joe Curto -----Original Message----- From: LuckyFloridaLin@aol.com To: barney@sti.net Cc: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 8:55 pm Subject: [mg-tabc] Re: TC Steering Dear Barney: It is more complicated. If you note the emails a chap called Bill Bollendock has the plans. Suggest you contact him. I do have "newly machined splines" to attach to the steering wheel shaft, if you need them. You have to take out the old and replace every thing with new steel material You set aside and save the old system in case someone wants to return to the old Bishop cam steering box. It would behoove you to repair the old the steering box, fix up the front end, but I did not have any luck doing that. Actually the old Bettle box is quite similar to the Bishop box.but much better engineered. You can find where to buy them in aircooled type VW, magazines On cursory look it seems to be about the same. My good friend Scott who made mine and others ,just passed away at the age of 50 from medical complications of a brain operation. I will miss him for the rest of my life.RIP Tally Ho! Thom Collins . **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp0030 00000025 48) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] #AOLMsgPart_2_6ab7ca49-a6b1-4513-a08e-d5ff9fba34d7 #AOLMsgPart_2_6ab7ca49-a6b1-4513-a08e-d5ff9fba34d7 #AOLMsgPart_2_6ab7ca49-a6b1-4513-a08e-d5ff9fba34d7 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com

[Kern Matlock]

Approximately seven years ago I installed Datsun steering in my TC. It was operating great until recently when it began to dart to the left or right when attempting to drive straight, much like it did before Datsun steering was installed. Misc. Info. 1.A year ago the felt bushing at the top of the steering shaft came loose and the shaft moved back and forth in the shaft housing, I put it back in place and it appeared to work fine ? 2. The Drop Arm is installed with the drag link ball pointing downward, should it be pointing up ? 3. Recently the wheels were rebuilt and new Firestone tires were installed. 4. The right front wheel has a very slight amount of in and out play, approx. 1/32 inch. Question: 1. What is my problem(s). 2. What are the instructions for adjusting the Datsun box. 3. What fluid should be used in the box ? Kern TC 4555 Scotts Valley CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Stephen D Stierman]

This is called "revenge of the Bishops Cam", similar to when a body rejects a foreign organ. Likely there is not much that can be done, a very serious condition. Steve Stierman TC2911 (sorry I couldn't resist)

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, Kern Matlock betskern@msn.com> wrote: From: Kern Matlock betskern@msn.com> Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Steering To: "Mg-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 1:37 PM Approximately seven years ago I installed Datsun steering in my TC. It was operating great until recently when it began to dart to the left or right when attempting to drive straight, much like it did before Datsun steering was installed. Misc. Info. 1.A year ago the felt bushing at the top of the steering shaft came loose and the shaft moved back and forth in the shaft housing, I put it back in place and it appeared to work fine ? 2. The Drop Arm is installed with the drag link ball pointing downward, should it be pointing up ? 3. Recently the wheels were rebuilt and new Firestone tires were installed. 4. The right front wheel has a very slight amount of in and out play, approx. 1/32 inch. Question: 1. What is my problem(s). 2. What are the instructions for adjusting the Datsun box. 3. What fluid should be used in the box ? Kern TC 4555 Scotts Valley CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer. msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[squeaky_isabella]

That's an ominous diagnosis, Dr. Stierman. I have been using quite af few NON-English fasteners. Should I expect my TC to come apart subjected to the wrath of Joseph Whitworth? Bjorn TC 7773 Silverton. Oregon --- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, Stephen D Stierman wrote:

> > This is called "revenge of the Bishops Cam", similar to when a

body rejects a foreign organ. Likely there is not much that can be done, a very serious condition.

> Steve Stierman TC2911 > (sorry I couldn't resist) > > --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Kern Matlock wrote: > > From: Kern Matlock > Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Steering > To: "Mg-TABC" mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 1:37 PM > > > > > > > Approximately seven years ago I installed Datsun steering in my

TC. It was operating great until recently when it began to dart to the left or right when attempting to drive straight, much like it did before Datsun steering was installed.

> Misc. Info. 1.A year ago the felt bushing at the top of the

steering shaft came loose and the shaft moved back and forth in the shaft housing, I put it back in place and it appeared to work fine ? 2. The Drop Arm is installed with the drag link ball pointing downward, should it be pointing up ? 3. Recently the wheels were rebuilt and new Firestone tires were installed. 4. The right front wheel has a very slight amount of in and out play, approx. 1/32 inch.

> Question: 1. What is my problem(s). 2. What are the instructions

for adjusting the Datsun box. 3. What fluid should be used in the box ? Kern TC 4555 Scotts Valley CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer. msn.com

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[green47tc]

You should check for play in the tie rod ends, and at the drop arm. Also check lateral movement of the spring shackle bushes. Also check the rear axle. If the rear axle mounts are loose or broken, or excessive lateral play in shacklebushes can let the rear end steer the car on corners or bumps. gene olson toasty southern calif. -- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Kern Matlock" wrote:

> > Approximately seven years ago I installed Datsun steering in my TC.

It was operating great until recently when it began to dart to the left or right when attempting to drive straight, much like it did before Datsun steering was installed.

> Misc. Info. 1.A year ago the felt bushing at the top of the

steering shaft came loose and the shaft moved back and forth in the shaft housing, I put it back in place and it appeared to work fine ? 2. The Drop Arm is installed with the drag link ball pointing downward, should it be pointing up ? 3. Recently the wheels were rebuilt and new Firestone tires were installed. 4. The right front wheel has a very slight amount of in and out play, approx. 1/32 inch.

> Question: 1. What is my problem(s). 2. What are the instructions

for adjusting the Datsun box. 3. What fluid should be used in the box ? Kern TC 4555 Scotts Valley CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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[Steve S]

Did the problem start right after the new tires were installed? Some tread patterns have a tendency to follow the grooves in the road more than others. My steering, also with the Datsun-shire box, was getting really loose recently. I replaced the front suspension bushings, spring eye bolts and king pin bushings. Also adjusted hub bearing end float. The steering is now good as new. As for the steering arm, mine is mounted with the bend going up towards the engine. It's always been that way in the time I have owned it. - Steve Simmons - TC8975, LA, CA - http://www.mgnuts.com -- In mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com, "Kern Matlock" wrote:

> > Approximately seven years ago I installed Datsun steering in my TC.

It was operating great until recently when it began to dart to the left or right when attempting to drive straight, much like it did before Datsun steering was installed.

> Misc. Info. 1.A year ago the felt bushing at the top of the

steering shaft came loose and the shaft moved back and forth in the shaft housing, I put it back in place and it appeared to work fine ? 2. The Drop Arm is installed with the drag link ball pointing downward, should it be pointing up ? 3. Recently the wheels were rebuilt and new Firestone tires were installed. 4. The right front wheel has a very slight amount of in and out play, approx. 1/32 inch.

> Question: 1. What is my problem(s). 2. What are the instructions

for adjusting the Datsun box. 3. What fluid should be used in the box ? Kern TC 4555 Scotts Valley CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com

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[Rick Waters]

Now let's see--my BC box seems to have lasted from 49 to 1988, when it received all new bearings, and had the pin rotated. I would have thought these Datsun boxes would last just as long as those fine old British BC boxes. Or, perhaps the box is not the problem after all, but rather worn suspension and steering joints, which were the major cause of the loose steering in my TC. Rick, TC 7881 Kern Matlock wrote:

> > Approximately seven years ago I installed Datsun steering in my TC. It > was operating great until recently when it began to dart to the left > or right when attempting to drive straight, much like it did before > Datsun steering was installed. > Misc. Info. 1.A year ago the felt bushing at the top of the steering > shaft came loose and the shaft moved back and forth in the shaft > housing, I put it back in place and it appeared to work fine ? 2. The > Drop Arm is installed with the drag link ball pointing downward, > should it be pointing up ? 3. Recently the wheels were rebuilt and new > Firestone tires were installed. 4. The right front wheel has a very > slight amount of in and out play, approx. 1/32 inch. > Question: 1. What is my problem(s). 2. What are the instructions for > adjusting the Datsun box. 3. What fluid should be used in the box ? > Kern TC 4555 Scotts Valley CAGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer > download : http://explorer.msn.com http://explorer.msn.com> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >

[Barney Jackson]

I really can't understand all this "conversion" to VW or Datsun steering nonsense. I have had a long association (fifty-nine years!) with the stock Bishop box----a number of reworking, etc., but it is still in there and working well. It does need attention, as all the steering associated bits and pieces do, and I might add, quite frequently. I well remember discussing the steering with Al Moss after he returned from a cross-country trip----this was many years ago. He commented that every night, at the motel, he jacked up the TC and lubed all the fittings of the front end---every day! At the end of the trip, the steering was just as good as at the start. It is not just the box that gives people trouble, it is the entire system. It must be _lubed frequently, and readjusted as necessary_. I have driven my TC at freeway speeds, using just one hand on the wheel, with no trouble whatsoever. Yes, the Bishop box does wear, but frequent lubing and adjustment will slow that process. There are several fixes for the box, none of which are in my car-----sleeved, bored out, needle bearings, built up or new sector shaft, etc. About the only thing I use is the Tompkins kit -- it is very easy to adjust-----adding or removing shims is a pain, but does work. If the Bishop box in your car is beyond repair, find a good used one----they are out there----probably from the same guys that converted to something else. Barney Jackson TC 6110

[Pavone, John (GE, Corporate)]

I started out with a rebuilt BC box and a fully rebuilt front end and still didn't like the steering; too heavy at low speeds and somewhat vague. To me, the VW conversion was a huge improvement. To each his own I guess. JP ________________________________ From: mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mg-tabc@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barney Jackson Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 10:34 AM To: MG tabcgroups Subject: [mg-tabc] TC Steering I really can't understand all this "conversion" to VW or Datsun steering nonsense. I have had a long association (fifty-nine years!) with the stock Bishop box----a number of reworking, etc., but it is still in there and working well. It does need attention, as all the steering associated bits and pieces do, and I might add, quite frequently. I well remember discussing the steering with Al Moss after he returned from a cross-country trip----this was many years ago. He commented that every night, at the motel, he jacked up the TC and lubed all the fittings of the front end---every day! At the end of the trip, the steering was just as good as at the start. It is not just the box that gives people trouble, it is the entire system. It must be _lubed frequently, and readjusted as necessary_. I have driven my TC at freeway speeds, using just one hand on the wheel, with no trouble whatsoever. Yes, the Bishop box does wear, but frequent lubing and adjustment will slow that process. There are several fixes for the box, none of which are in my car-----sleeved, bored out, needle bearings, built up or new sector shaft, etc. About the only thing I use is the Tompkins kit -- it is very easy to adjust-----adding or removing shims is a pain, but does work. If the Bishop box in your car is beyond repair, find a good used one----they are out there----probably from the same guys that converted to something else. Barney Jackson TC 6110 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]