> Now THERE'S a visual! Red tights, red hair, black cape. I may > never be able to think of Wonder Woman again with out thinking of > Super Fred. Thanks, thanks a whole lot. Beesterds! > millerized > > (wishin this was MADS so I could really let you have it!) > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > Then came Fred donning his Super Hero Red tights and Black Cape
fix your speedometer drive
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				dooden
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Hey at least I did'nt say anything about High Heels....  
 
 Open fire.. but be warned I may unload a few mags myself in return
 fire.  
 
 Maybe I should stick my mini cannon behind the truck seat and squeeze
 off a few rounds too... at least the 10/22 since my daughters love
 feeding it so much. (Heading to camp soon)
 
 Maybe Gortex parka time calling for heavy storms.. ack
 
 
 
 --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "James L. Miller Jr."
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				gillwrig
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valve shims
I find myself in need of a 1.9mm valve shim. Do any of the non-
 Kawasaki 29mm diameter shims, already tried BMW cars, come in this 
 size?
 
 (I recently had my cam bearings welded and bored by Engine Dynamics
 in Petaluma CA and the cams are now off a bit.)
 
 Also, there is now a bit of play, .2mm, in the cam. Did others who
 sent their heads here have a similar experience? How have they
 performed since? In retrospect, some of the questions that were
 asked on this board regarding this repair, ie "computer mapping of 
 the cams" make
 sense.
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				Fred Hink
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The thinnest 29mm shim I know of is a 2.0mm.  Sounds like you are going to
 have to do some work on your head.
 
 Fred
 http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com
 http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/cmc.html
 
 
 
 
 
			
			
									
									
						----- Original Message ----- From: "gillwrig" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:49 AM Subject: [DSN_klr650] VALVE SHIMS > > > I find myself in need of a 1.9mm valve shim. Do any of the non- > Kawasaki 29mm diameter shims, already tried BMW cars, come in this > size? > > (I recently had my cam bearings welded and bored by Engine Dynamics > in Petaluma CA and the cams are now off a bit.) > > Also, there is now a bit of play, .2mm, in the cam. Did others who > sent their heads here have a similar experience? How have they > performed since? In retrospect, some of the questions that were > asked on this board regarding this repair, ie "computer mapping of > the cams" make > sense.
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				Rodney Copeland
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Dam, seems you could thin a shim up if you had to!
 Don't think structural integrity would become an issue.
 Rod,,,,,,hopin he doesn't get in the position and maybe I don't get 
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						--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > The thinnest 29mm shim I know of is a 2.0mm. Sounds like you are going to > have to do some work on your head. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/cmc.html > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gillwrig" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:49 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] VALVE SHIMS > > > > > > > > I find myself in need of a 1.9mm valve shim. Do any of the non- > > Kawasaki 29mm diameter shims, already tried BMW cars, come in this > > size? > > > > (I recently had my cam bearings welded and bored by Engine Dynamics > > in Petaluma CA and the cams are now off a bit.) > > > > Also, there is now a bit of play, .2mm, in the cam. Did others who > > sent their heads here have a similar experience? How have they > > performed since? In retrospect, some of the questions that were > > asked on this board regarding this repair, ie "computer mapping of > > the cams" make > > sense.
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				rsanders30117
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A good machine shop could surface grind shims for you & it shouldn't
 cost you much to do it.  The question is; how thin can you go before
 the cam starts hitting the lip of the shim recess?
 
 If you can grind some off & not strike the recess lib, just put the
 newly ground side down & your engine won't notice a thing.
 
 
 
			
			
									
									
						--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Rodney Copeland" wrote: > > Dam, seems you could thin a shim up if you had to! > Don't think structural integrity would become an issue. > Rod,,,,,,hopin he doesn't get in the position and maybe I don't get > it! > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > The thinnest 29mm shim I know of is a 2.0mm. Sounds like you are > going to > > have to do some work on your head. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/cmc.html > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "gillwrig" > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:49 AM > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] VALVE SHIMS > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find myself in need of a 1.9mm valve shim. Do any of the non- > > > Kawasaki 29mm diameter shims, already tried BMW cars, come in this > > > size? > > > > > > (I recently had my cam bearings welded and bored by Engine > Dynamics > > > in Petaluma CA and the cams are now off a bit.) > > > > > > Also, there is now a bit of play, .2mm, in the cam. Did others who > > > sent their heads here have a similar experience? How have they > > > performed since? In retrospect, some of the questions that were > > > asked on this board regarding this repair, ie "computer mapping of > > > the cams" make > > > sense.
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				pete88chester
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I replyed to this Post, but forgot to change it so it went to the 
 List.  What I basically said was that if the 0.2mm play he is talking 
 about is the clearance between the camshaft bearing journal & the cam 
 bearing bore then he has trouble.  The 0.2 mm (0.0079") is 0.05mm 
 (0.002") over the service limit of 0.15mm (0.0059") (the max 
 clearance between the cam & the cam bearing.  The new bores will wear 
 in a little & be looser.  I asked if he had sent the camshaft with 
 the head to Engine Dynamics so they could properly bore the cam 
 bearing holes to the correct clearances.  It may be that the job 
 needs to be redone.  Also it looks like the holes were mashined so 
 they are a little too close in the direction of the valves.  A way to 
 fix this (if the holes are not redone correctly or if there isn't a 
 bearing clerance problem) would be to first measure the clearance at 
 each valve to see which are too close to the cam lobes & record the 
 measurements.  Then remove the valves that are too close & bring them 
 to someone with a good valve mashine & have them dressed off enough 
 to where when assembled, they are mid way in the range covered by the 
 shims.  That's a quick & dirty reply, I hope it make sence.  It was a 
 thing you sometimes had to do to the old overhead cam engines when 
 the seats were cut too deep in the head.  It also was the way you 
 adjusted the old flathead engines with solid unadjustable lifters.  
 Just kept triming the valve stem till you got the proper clearance.   
 Pete Chester A16
 
 
			
			
									
									
						--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "gillwrig" wrote: > > I find myself in need of a 1.9mm valve shim. Do any of the non- > Kawasaki 29mm diameter shims, already tried BMW cars, come in this > size? > > (I recently had my cam bearings welded and bored by Engine Dynamics > in Petaluma CA and the cams are now off a bit.) > > Also, there is now a bit of play, .2mm, in the cam. Did others who > sent their heads here have a similar experience? How have they > performed since? In retrospect, some of the questions that were > asked on this board regarding this repair, ie "computer mapping of > the cams" make > sense.
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				gillwrig
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So what am I to expect from the out of spec cam bearing clearances?
 I estimate, with plastigauge, that they are exhaust .18mm (l)
 and .13mm (r), intake .08mm (l)and .15mm (r).
 
 
 --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "pete88chester"  
 wrote:
 
			
			
									
									
						talking> > I replyed to this Post, but forgot to change it so it went to the > List. What I basically said was that if the 0.2mm play he is
cam> about is the clearance between the camshaft bearing journal & the
wear> bearing bore then he has trouble. The 0.2 mm (0.0079") is 0.05mm > (0.002") over the service limit of 0.15mm (0.0059") (the max > clearance between the cam & the cam bearing. The new bores will
to> in a little & be looser. I asked if he had sent the camshaft with > the head to Engine Dynamics so they could properly bore the cam > bearing holes to the correct clearances. It may be that the job > needs to be redone. Also it looks like the holes were mashined so > they are a little too close in the direction of the valves. A way
a> fix this (if the holes are not redone correctly or if there isn't
at> bearing clerance problem) would be to first measure the clearance
the> each valve to see which are too close to the cam lobes & record
them> measurements. Then remove the valves that are too close & bring
enough> to someone with a good valve mashine & have them dressed off
the> to where when assembled, they are mid way in the range covered by
was a> shims. That's a quick & dirty reply, I hope it make sence. It
lifters.> thing you sometimes had to do to the old overhead cam engines when > the seats were cut too deep in the head. It also was the way you > adjusted the old flathead engines with solid unadjustable
clearance.> Just kept triming the valve stem till you got the proper
wrote:> Pete Chester A16 > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "gillwrig"
this> > > > I find myself in need of a 1.9mm valve shim. Do any of the non- > > Kawasaki 29mm diameter shims, already tried BMW cars, come in
Dynamics> > size? > > > > (I recently had my cam bearings welded and bored by Engine
who> > in Petaluma CA and the cams are now off a bit.) > > > > Also, there is now a bit of play, .2mm, in the cam. Did others
of> > sent their heads here have a similar experience? How have they > > performed since? In retrospect, some of the questions that were > > asked on this board regarding this repair, ie "computer mapping
> > the cams" make > > sense.
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				pete88chester
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--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "gillwrig"  wrote:
 
			
			
									
									
						It's hard to say, according to how critical the KLR650 is in this area. Bearings of this type that have a lot of play, it is a leak point. The camshaft as it is turning is hydroplaning on a film of oil, like a tire does on water. This hydroplaning creates high pressure & there should be a close fit to retain the pressure or else the cam journal will break through the oil film. That's what I read a long time ago in an auto trade magazine. Actually looking at your plastigauge readings, you have two with in the service limit, one right at it & only one that is over it by 0.03mm (0.001"). It may be that it won't be a problem. There is probably a bunch of KLR650's running around a lot looser than that. Did you call the people that did the work & bitch to them? Maybe they will redo it for you. Check on the Internet for engine builders (doesn't matter what kind), they may tell you how important it is & if you should worry. Pete Chester A16.> > So what am I to expect from the out of spec cam bearing clearances? > I estimate, with plastigauge, that they are exhaust .18mm (l) > and .13mm (r), intake .08mm (l)and .15mm (r).
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				spradlinlj
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Does anyone know if KZ-Z1-Z1R shims will fit klr650? They are 29mm but 
 not sure if they will work. Thanks  James in Arkansas
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				needleman_a
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What is the actual difference in shims? 
 If my valve and shim has .004 to camshaft and the shim is a 265 and the 
 difference in shims is .005. If I put A 260 shim shouldn't my gap 
 increase to .009ish? 
 If not why?
 
 Thanks for unconfusing me 
 
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