moab day 4

[achesley43@ymail.com]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote:

> > The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day. > On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@... wrote:

Go here to see what was being sold by Sears in the 50's and 60's. http://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/sears_allstate_troyce.htm And some stuff on Mongomery Wards. Must of been the Sears 106 I had two of. Made mud playing bikes out of them for mud a cross practice when I didn't want to get my TM250 or JP Bultaco dirty with just practice and saving on wear and tear.

[achesley43@ymail.com]

Uncle Sam's Maltreated Children LOL. 61 - 66. Semper Fi Andy > loafing at da casa.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "achesley43@" wrote: > > Interstate 10 took all that land after I went to the Crops in late '61. What times to ponder on. > > > > Andy, > Was that the Crops, or the 'Marine' Corps. > AKA as the Crotch.... > Semper Fi > revmaaatin. >

[ron criswell]

I remember those old Allstates. A friend had one. What was the idea on the split single? Fan cooled Vespa.....hummm......that's how I seized mine. I had already destroyed my side covers from crashes....so I removed them. Racy ....huh. Er... Why is that little plate covering the cooling fins? Would they cool better out in the wind? The answer was no. I found out the hard way. Didn't dawn on me the flywheel was also a fan forcing cooling air under the cover on the fins. Who woulda thunk? I am just an average wrincher.....not a visionary able to understand all things mechanical (heh). Saw plenty of Mopeds around and used the gas tank from one on my Hodaka for a while to save weight replacing hat beautiful chrome Hodaka tank. Me not too bright. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On May 1, 2013, at 7:44 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote: > > > > The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day. > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@... wrote: > > Go here to see what was being sold by Sears in the 50's and 60's. > http://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/sears_allstate_troyce.htm > > And some stuff on Mongomery Wards. > > Must of been the Sears 106 I had two of. Made mud playing bikes out of them for mud a cross practice when I didn't want to get my TM250 or JP Bultaco dirty with just practice and saving on wear and tear. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ron Haraseth]

The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My first bike was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated to the Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British 4-strokes...not my crowd. Ron

[Jud]

Thanks for that link. I almost forgot to the Allstate Vespas (by Piaggio, of course, not Puch). It also reminds me I once owned a Sabre, the fan-cooled 50cc 2-stroke. Mine was stolen once, and recovered a few hours later in a vacant lot in the 'hood. There was some minor damage, most of which I was able to put right, with a little minor fabrication. I was however, to find that all the little alloy ribs over the fan intake had been broken out. OTOH, there was a fat pink shoelace all wadded up in the cooling fan; it was gratifying to imagine the little shit's discomfiture. The link also reminds me how I used to drool over the 250cc ISDT Replica. ISDT reps from that era almost always mean big wood for me (figuratively speaking, of course).

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote: > > > > The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day. > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@ wrote: > > Go here to see what was being sold by Sears in the 50's and 60's. > http://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/sears_allstate_troyce.htm > > And some stuff on Mongomery Wards. > > Must of been the Sears 106 I had two of. Made mud playing bikes out of them for mud a cross practice when I didn't want to get my TM250 or JP Bultaco dirty with just practice and saving on wear and tear. >

[Jud]

The split single wa two pistons arranged fore and aft, on a split connecting rod and a single combustion chamber. The rear cylinder was supposed to help charge the front one with fresh mixture. I could try to explain it, but then we both would not understand it. Anyway, the result is a torquey, slow-revving motor that is nice for cruising around in high gears on secondary roads, without having to shift too much. Fan cooling was common on engines, especially 2-strokes, that had to live under bodywork that kept them out of the direct air stream. I'm not sure what the reasoning was on the conventionally laid-out Sabre, but the alloy shroud was a lot prettier than the tinwork you usually found.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > I remember those old Allstates. A friend had one. What was the idea on the split single? Fan cooled Vespa.....hummm......that's how I seized mine. I had already destroyed my side covers from crashes....so I removed them. Racy ....huh. Er... Why is that little plate covering the cooling fins? Would they cool better out in the wind? The answer was no. I found out the hard way. Didn't dawn on me the flywheel was also a fan forcing cooling air under the cover on the fins. Who woulda thunk? I am just an average wrincher.....not a visionary able to understand all things mechanical (heh). > > Saw plenty of Mopeds around and used the gas tank from one on my Hodaka for a while to save weight replacing hat beautiful chrome Hodaka tank. Me not too bright. > > Criswell > > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 1, 2013, at 7:44 AM, "achesley43@..." wrote: > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Harry Seifert wrote: > > > > > > The Allstate 250 and 350 were rebadged Aermacchi horizontal 4s singles. It was almost impossible to get parts, even through Sears. Kinda like the Ducati singles of the day. > > > On Apr 30, 2013, at 11:49 AM, achesley43@ wrote: > > > > Go here to see what was being sold by Sears in the 50's and 60's. > > http://cybermotorcycle.com/euro/brands/sears_allstate_troyce.htm > > > > And some stuff on Mongomery Wards. > > > > Must of been the Sears 106 I had two of. Made mud playing bikes out of them for mud a cross practice when I didn't want to get my TM250 or JP Bultaco dirty with just practice and saving on wear and tear. > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "achesley43@..." wrote:

> > > Uncle Sam's Maltreated Children LOL. 61 - 66. Semper Fi > > Andy > loafing at da casa.

Yikes- Me too. Uncle Sam's Misguided Children. 1978-1986 Semper Fi revmaaatin.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote:

> > The split single wa two pistons arranged fore and aft, on a split connecting rod and a single combustion chamber. The rear cylinder was supposed to help charge the front one with fresh mixture.

Hi Judd, Conceptually, The second piston sounds like a 'low tech' super charger. revmaaatin.

[John Biccum]

As a kid in Alaska we could get a license for a motorcycle at 14 but were limited to 100cc. So the cool bike was the Yamaha 2-stroke Twin Jet at 99cc actual displacement. I rode Honda 4-stokes and was routinely smoked- pun intended- by my buddies. I can still hear the whine of that tiny twin at full song and can still smell its distinctive exhaust as they blew past me on the road. My Honda CL90 was never faster than the Twin Jets unless I chose the route: down the deer trail, past the skunk cabbage, skirting the swamp. I bet there is still Twin Jet detritus on that course. But the CL90 survived it all including a couple of total submersions. Just pull the plug and kick it until no more water shot out of the plug hole, reinstall the plug and ride it home. -----Original Message----- From: "Ron Haraseth" Sent: 5/ 1/ 2013 10:52 To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My first bike was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated to the Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British 4-strokes...not my crowd. Ron [The entire original message is not included.] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[roncriswell@ymail.com]

I remember those Yamaha's. They were fast for their size.....as all 2 stroke Yamaha's seemed to be. Bultacos were also.....especially the Pursang. They kicked butt around here on shortrack. The 175 Brigstone twin was fast also. Didn't Kawasaki run rotary valve two strokes on some of theirs in the 70's? Fast too. Criswell Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2013, at 9:55 AM, John Biccum wrote: > As a kid in Alaska we could get a license for a motorcycle at 14 but were limited to 100cc. So the cool bike was the Yamaha 2-stroke Twin Jet at 99cc actual displacement. I rode Honda 4-stokes and was routinely smoked- pun intended- by my buddies. I can still hear the whine of that tiny twin at full song and can still smell its distinctive exhaust as they blew past me on the road. > > My Honda CL90 was never faster than the Twin Jets unless I chose the route: down the deer trail, past the skunk cabbage, skirting the swamp. I bet there is still Twin Jet detritus on that course. But the CL90 survived it all including a couple of total submersions. Just pull the plug and kick it until no more water shot out of the plug hole, reinstall the plug and ride it home. > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ron Haraseth" > Sent: 5/ 1/ 2013 10:52 > To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR650 SNOBS (nonklr/bike) > > The battle in my neighborhood was between the Honda 50/55s. My first bike > was Yamaha 65 - 4 speed w/manual clutch. No contest. We migrated to the > Honda 90s and me - Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. > Of course, the kids from up on "Pill Hill" road the big British > 4-strokes...not my crowd. > > Ron > > [The entire original message is not included.] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]