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[Harry Seifert]

from the KLR of Buddy Seifert bseifert71@... You guys wrote:

> [Original Message] > From: tebklr > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 6/15/03 7:15:12 PM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Chain lube > > > > Especially on the highway, WD-40 will keep the chain running cooler > than > > it would have dry. > > > > Devon > > > I've cleaned/rinsed it with WD-40, then lubed it with Maxima Chain > Wax. Seems to work pretty well. > > Tom > A14 > KDX220

About every 500 miles or so, I use a stiff bristle nylon or brass brush and knock all of the old gunk off the chain. Then I ride it about for a bit to get the chain all nice and slinky, put Forrest up on his lift and put a drop of 90Wt on each and every side plate for all 100 plus links ( I always lose count). Been doin' this on all my bikes since dirt was new, and have had only one chain failure (not lube related, using an industrial half link on the chain of my H-1D) in about 100,000 miles of riding. Like the old commercials used to say...."a little dab will do ya". The rear wheel gets a little messy sometimes, but so what. It's a motorcycle, not a surgical instrument. Buddy

[Allan Patton]

I do not wish to debate chain lubes, all I want to do is tell my chain lube story. If someone is not happy with their current chain lube, they may be interested. The original chain and sprockets on my KLR were replaced at 22,000 miles. Front sprocket was very bad. Always used the PJ1 Black on it. The wheel was always dirty with the stuff, and when I changed the sprocket, there was a large accumulation of the sticky stuff in the cover. It was like chewing gum and was a heck of a mess to clean up. The latest chain and sprockets lasted 27,000 miles. Replaced them about a week ago. I did not use a motorcycle chain lube on them. Instead, I used "White Grease" in a spray can. It can be purchased at auto supply stores and Wally World. It does not dirty up the wheel and chain as bad as PJ1 Black always did. As for cleaning the chain, well... I don't, or at least not very often. Allan A14

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark St.Hilaire, Sr" To: "1 - KLR650 List" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Chain lube > > I was wondering what CHAIN LUBE do we use as a GROUP > > and is there some we DONT use use to the ORING (I am > > guessing it is some kind of O-Ring) > > Hey Chuck, *I* generally use the PJ1 black, but will settle for anything on > the following list that ranked near the top. Someone posted this to the list > a while ago: > > As tested by Motorcycle Consumer News in the Sept issue. They tested 22 > different chain lubes, here are the results: > > #01 - PJ1 Chain Lube (black) total score 25.0 / est. @ $0.42/oz > #02 - Kawasaki K-Kare Foaming total score 23.5 / est. @ $0.36/oz > #03 - Yamaha Performance total score 23.5 / est. @ $0.53/oz > #04 - Pro Honda HP Lube total score 22.0 / est. @ $0.53/oz > #05 - PJ1 Chain Lube (blue) total score 22.0 / est. @ $0.44/oz > #06 - Torco Power Slide Titanium total score 21.5 /est.@ $0.54/oz > #07 - Bardahl Chain Wax w/ score 20.0 @ $0.47/oz > #08 - Maxima Synthetic Chain Guard w/ score 19.5 @ $0.54/oz > #09 - Silkolene ProChain w/ score 18.5 @ $0.48/oz > #10 - Bel-Ray Chain Lube w/ score 18.5 @ $0.43/oz > #11 - Maxima Chain Wax w/ score 17.5 @ $0.59/oz > #12 - VP Chain Glide w/ score 17.5 @ $0.54/oz > #13 - Bel-ray Super Clean w/ score 17.5 @ $0.59/oz > #14 - Castrol Chain Wax w/ score 17.0 @ $1.84/oz > #15 - Lubrimatic EP Gear Lube w/ score 16.5 @ $0.059/oz* roughly 6 cents > #16 - Motul Chain Lube w/ score 16.5 @ $0.59/oz > #17 - Motul Chain Lube Plus w/ score 16.0 @ $0.59/oz > #18 - Suzuki Chain Lube w/ score 16.0 @ $0.42/oz > > [The following were below WD-40 ratings] > > #19 - WD-40 w/ score 14.5 @ $0.40/oz > #20 - Spectro Synthetic Total Tac w/ score 14.5 @ $0.46/oz > #21 - Silkolene Chain Lube w/ score 11.0 @ $0.41/oz > #22 - Yamaha Chain Lube w/ score 9.0 @ $0.43/oz > > Mark > > > > KLR650 Motorcycle Pages: > http://klr6500.tripod.com/ > > HomePage: > http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html > > My Adelphia Email can be "iffy." If > you don't get a response, please try: > KLR6500@... > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Devon Jarvis]

Harry Seifert wrote:

>About every 500 miles or so, I use a stiff bristle nylon or brass brush and >knock all of the old gunk off the chain. Then I ride it about for a bit to >get the chain all nice and slinky, put Forrest up on his lift and put a >drop of 90Wt on each and every side plate for all 100 plus links ( I always >lose count). Been doin' this on all my bikes since dirt was new, and have >had only one chain failure (not lube related, using an industrial half link >on the chain of my H-1D) in about 100,000 miles of riding. Like the old >commercials used to say...."a little dab will do ya". > >The rear wheel gets a little messy sometimes, but so what. It's a >motorcycle, not a surgical instrument. > >Buddy > >

I salute your attention to detail. I also think you're nuts, but then people say that to me as well. You are the first person I know to turn chain maintainance into a Zen meditation. I hose the chain and both sprockets with WD40, until it drips off a lighter shade of black and the chain looks clean. That's it, takes 1 minute. Ride it on the highway afterwards, any dirt left on the chain flings off. I lube the chain every day I ride with WD40. Every once in a blue moon (maybe every 2000mi), I'll use a nylon brush, then more WD, then a rag. Then more WD. Takes 5 minutes. I'm coming up on 70,000mi, no chain failures (knocking on wood). I do have a particular method of installing master links, and I NEVER use a master link twice. They seem quite reliable as a single-use part. Devon

[Harry Seifert]

from the KLR of Buddy Seifert bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: Devon Jarvis > To: KLR650 group DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 6/15/03 11:07:55 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Chain lube > > > > Harry Seifert wrote: > > >About every 500 miles or so, I use a stiff bristle nylon or brass brush

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> >knock all of the old gunk off the chain. Then I ride it about for a bit

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> >get the chain all nice and slinky, put Forrest up on his lift and put a > >drop of 90Wt on each and every side plate for all 100 plus links ( I

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> >lose count). Been doin' this on all my bikes since dirt was new, and

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> >had only one chain failure (not lube related, using an industrial half

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> >on the chain of my H-1D) in about 100,000 miles of riding. Like the old > >commercials used to say...."a little dab will do ya". > > > >The rear wheel gets a little messy sometimes, but so what. It's a > >motorcycle, not a surgical instrument. > > > >Buddy > > > > > > I salute your attention to detail. I also think you're nuts, but then > people say that to me as well. You are the first person I know to turn > chain maintenance into a Zen meditation. > > I hose the chain and both sprockets with WD40, until it drips off a > lighter shade of black and the chain looks clean. That's it, takes 1 > minute. Ride it on the highway afterwards, any dirt left on the chain > flings off. I lube the chain every day I ride with WD40. > > Every once in a blue moon (maybe every 2000mi), I'll use a nylon brush, > then more WD, then a rag. Then more WD. Takes 5 minutes. > > I'm coming up on 70,000mi, no chain failures (knocking on wood). I do > have a particular method of installing master links, and I NEVER use a > master link twice. They seem quite reliable as a single-use part. > > Devon

Nuts! Nuts, you say! One must become one with the vehicle that is providing locomotion in all aspects, or thy steed shall surely fail and cause thee to flop mightily upon the ground! Yeah, I probably overdo it in the chain department, but it is somewhat of a Zen-ish feeling (? ) knowing that my chain and sprockets are okay. And the last book I read was "Modern Motorcycle Mechanics, 7th Edition" by J. B. Nicholson. out of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada. And they say the Great Frozen North doesn't have a sense of humour.

[dooden]

Thats kinda the thoughts I have taken, WD40 took alot of black gunk off the chain. The chain is internally lubed and sealed with O rings right ? So keep the O rings as free of gunk and they should last a long time right ? Maybe after cleaning with WD-40 since its fairly cheap, one could use something like Tri-Flow which has Teflon to allow them O rings to move freely without wearing themselfs out. I will just use WD-40 until somebody can give me a real good reason not to I suppose. Again maybe for storage, or if I know the chain will not be in the dirt I might use oil or better yet chainsaw bar oil. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Devon Jarvis wrote: > One important thing to consider- as far as I know, this test was > conducted with bikes used on the street. I'm guessing a dual-sport or > dirtbike o-ring chain would have WD-40 MUCH higher on the scorecard, > since thick chain lubes just turn into grinding paste in sand or mud. > > Devon > A15 > > Mark St.Hilaire, Sr wrote: > > >As tested by Motorcycle Consumer News in the Sept issue. They tested 22 > >different chain lubes, here are the results: > > > >#01 - PJ1 Chain Lube (black) total score 25.0 / est. @ $0.42/oz > >#02 - Kawasaki K-Kare Foaming total score 23.5 / est. @ $0.36/oz > >#03 - Yamaha Performance total score 23.5 / est. @ $0.53/oz > >#04 - Pro Honda HP Lube total score 22.0 / est. @ $0.53/oz > >#05 - PJ1 Chain Lube (blue) total score 22.0 / est. @ $0.44/oz > >#06 - Torco Power Slide Titanium total score 21.5 /est.@ $0.54/oz > >#07 - Bardahl Chain Wax w/ score 20.0 @ $0.47/oz > >#08 - Maxima Synthetic Chain Guard w/ score 19.5 @ $0.54/oz > >#09 - Silkolene ProChain w/ score 18.5 @ $0.48/oz > >#10 - Bel-Ray Chain Lube w/ score 18.5 @ $0.43/oz > >#11 - Maxima Chain Wax w/ score 17.5 @ $0.59/oz > >#12 - VP Chain Glide w/ score 17.5 @ $0.54/oz > >#13 - Bel-ray Super Clean w/ score 17.5 @ $0.59/oz > >#14 - Castrol Chain Wax w/ score 17.0 @ $1.84/oz > >#15 - Lubrimatic EP Gear Lube w/ score 16.5 @ $0.059/oz* roughly 6 cents > >#16 - Motul Chain Lube w/ score 16.5 @ $0.59/oz > >#17 - Motul Chain Lube Plus w/ score 16.0 @ $0.59/oz > >#18 - Suzuki Chain Lube w/ score 16.0 @ $0.42/oz > > > >[The following were below WD-40 ratings] > > > >#19 - WD-40 w/ score 14.5 @ $0.40/oz > >#20 - Spectro Synthetic Total Tac w/ score 14.5 @ $0.46/oz > >#21 - Silkolene Chain Lube w/ score 11.0 @ $0.41/oz > >#22 - Yamaha Chain Lube w/ score 9.0 @ $0.43/oz > > > >Mark > >

[rm@richardmay.net]

Apply 90wt to a toothbrush, then brush it along the inside of the chain along the lower run. Rotate the wheel and do it again. Repeat until the entire chain is wet. Now wipe off the excess with a cotton shop rag or one of those special high-strength blue shop paper towels. The sling-off with take the dirt along with it. Just like a Scottoiler. RM

[Jim Hubbard]

Well, from what I've read, I think I've got everyone beat when it comes to neurotic chain maintenance. Dig this: about every 500 miles or so, I pull off the front and rear chain guards, prop the bike up with a "trail stand", get out a pail with some kerosene, and clean the chain and everything around it till you could eat off it. Kerosene will easily remove all the old lube and crud without damaging anything (even o-rings or paint). When it's clean, I hose off the area with water and wash it all into my neighbor's yard (just don't tell anybody). Then I dry everything down and apply chain lube. PJ1 Black is supposed to be good, but it flings black crap all over the rear wheel and dirt sticks to it like crazy. Maxima Chain Wax doesn't attract dirt or fling off nearly as bad, but it sure does seem awful ... dry. I use one or the other, depending on what sort of riding I think I'll be doing. If I think I'll be on the road mostly, I use PJ1. If I think I'll be in the dirt a lot, I go with the Maxima. Yeah, my bike is still new right now, but I performed the same ritual on the last bike I had (a rice rocket) for 3 solid years till I sold it. I guess it's just a hangup I have - I want my chain CLEAN dammit. But it's not just the chain - I'm pretty meticulous about all maintenance on my bike, I guess just because I enjoy riding so much that don't want it letting me down because I didn't take proper care of it. You may now ridicule me at will. Jim Hubbard A17

[dooden]

Do you use the Kerosene to clean the bugs off your teeth before or after you clean the chain ? Dooden A15 Green Ape (who feels honored to get WD40 once and a while)

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Hubbard" wrote: > Well, from what I've read, I think I've got everyone beat when it > comes to neurotic chain maintenance. Dig this: about every 500 > miles or so, I pull off the front and rear chain guards, prop the > bike up with a "trail stand", get out a pail with some kerosene, > and clean the chain and everything around it till you could eat > off it. Kerosene will easily remove all the old lube and crud > without damaging anything (even o-rings or paint). When it's > clean, I hose off the area with water and wash it all into my > neighbor's yard (just don't tell anybody). Then I dry everything > down and apply chain lube. PJ1 Black is supposed to be good, but > it flings black crap all over the rear wheel and dirt sticks to > it like crazy. Maxima Chain Wax doesn't attract dirt or fling > off nearly as bad, but it sure does seem awful ... dry. I use > one or the other, depending on what sort of riding I think I'll > be doing. If I think I'll be on the road mostly, I use PJ1. If > I think I'll be in the dirt a lot, I go with the Maxima. > > Yeah, my bike is still new right now, but I performed the same > ritual on the last bike I had (a rice rocket) for 3 solid years > till I sold it. I guess it's just a hangup I have - I want my > chain CLEAN dammit. But it's not just the chain - I'm pretty > meticulous about all maintenance on my bike, I guess just because > I enjoy riding so much that don't want it letting me down because > I didn't take proper care of it. > > You may now ridicule me at will. > > > Jim Hubbard > A17

[clearprop5]

I just can't stand the flinging chain lube. I like a clean chain/bike. What's the thought on WD40 or Triflo? Any other suggestions? Mike

[Mark Lewis]

Anything other than WD-40 is a waste of money. It works perfectly and the money you save will buy lots of new chains and sprokets. That said, you'll probably sell the bike before you need a new chain using only WD-40 for lube. Mark Lewis