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[Robert J. Kaub]

My personal experience: Since day one I have used Chain Wax on my '98 EXCEPT for last riding season when I tried 90w gear oil. This year I went back to Chain Wax. Much easier to apply. Doesn't fly off nearly as much and after riding the dusty dirt roads I spend a lot of time on, the chain is quite clean. Easy to carry the small spray can to use when traveling. Still using the original chain at 10,000 miles. I did replace the front sprocket at about 8000 miles as it showed some signs of wear. At about 9000 miles I installed a 45 tooth rear sprocket to enhance the engine's performance at the slow dirt roads speeds I like. Thanks. Bob Kaub

[bohdansdad]

I have been the proud owner of a 2001 klr for about two weeks now. Man what a great ride. Last weekend I went for about a ninety mile ride. Most of this ride was on rough dirt roads which were followed by a 25 mile highway ride back into town. Once I was back in town I noticed that my chain was making some nasty sounds as I accelerate from a stop. So how do I clean my chain and what kind of lube should I use to make this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be greatly appreciated. David A15

[klr650dan]

I use WD 40 to clean. Rider or some mag rated PJ1 black label as best buy for the performance. Dan P

> So how do I clean my chain and what kind of lube should I use to

make

> this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > David > A15

[marcclarke@unforgettable.com]

David, Congratulations on your new KLR! Clean the chain with kerosene and a soft brush (a parts cleaning brush or a paint brush) that will not damage the rubber "O" rings. Either blow it dry with an air compressor or let it dry for about 1/2 hour until you can not smell any kerosene. Lubricate it with PJ-1 black label, the winner of the recent Motorcycle Consumer News chain lube evaluation and shoot out. Spray the lube along the top side of the bottom run of the chain from the rear sprocket to the front sprocket. The PJ-1 black label lube goes on as a foam, so it does not spray all over your rear tire. Since your goal is to lubricate the rubber "O" rings between the two sets of side plates, spray atop the inside set of side plates and then the outside set of side plates. Rotate the chain into the front sprocket by rotating the rear wheel backwards. Wipe off all excess lube with a shop towel or a paper towel to prevent fling off. You should clean and lubricate your chain about every 250 miles, or every tim! e you fill your tank. You should clean and lubricate your chain more often if you are riding in nasty dirt. If you are out on the road, just bring along a small spray can of PJ-1 and some Scott blue paper shop towels. Spray the chain when you fill your tank and wipe off the excess lube (it will be really dirty) and toss the paper shop towels. The PJ-1 chain lube has quite a bit of solvent in it so it will clean a lot of the grunge off the chain (but not as well as kerosene and a brush would). -- Marc Illsley Clarke, Kawasaki KLR650 A12, Loveland, Colorado, USA Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 06:53:57 -0000 From: "bohdansdad" Subject: Chain lube I have been the proud owner of a 2001 klr for about two weeks now. Man what a great ride. Last weekend I went for about a ninety mile ride. Most of this ride was on rough dirt roads which were followed by a 25 mile highway ride back into town. Once I was back in town I noticed that my chain was making some nasty sounds as I accelerate from a stop. So how do I clean my chain and what kind of lube should I use to make this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be greatly appreciated. David A15

[Ted Palmer]

bohdansdad wrote: [...]

> So how do I clean my chain

I like diesel fuel to clean chains, although I have used kerosene when the chain was particularly dirty. Maybe WD40 or similar is enough to get the dirt on the chain wet enough to wipe off. I figure that since the whatever liquid you use to clean the chain is likely to penetrate under the rollers, something as slick as diesel would lube the inside of the rollers longer. Your owners manual probably says you can use kero or diesel. An old toothbrush comes in handy when you get real fussy with the harder-to-get-at places. Since most toothbrushes are made of some kind of thermoplastic, I sometimes modify mine by heating the handle over a cigarette lighter to put bends in the handle for special jobs. Cleaning and lubing chains is a messy thing to do, any way you do it. Also, this is when you notice that you don't have a centrestand It probably wouldn't hurt to take off the front sprocket cover occasionally and clean in there, too.

> and what kind of lube should I use to make > this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be > greatly appreciated.

That is like asking which oil to use in the engine. Mister_T Melbourne Australia

[Tengai650]

At 4:22 AM +1100 12/16/01, Ted Palmer wrote:

>bohdansdad wrote: >[...] > > So how do I clean my chain > >I like diesel fuel to clean chains, although I have used kerosene when >the chain was particularly dirty. Maybe WD40 or similar is enough to >get the dirt on the chain wet enough to wipe off. >I figure that since the whatever liquid you use to clean the chain >is likely to penetrate under the rollers, something as slick as >diesel would lube the inside of the rollers longer. >Your owners manual probably says you can use kero or diesel.

I only use the finest Jet-A to clean my premium chains. Just kidding, but I did heat my previous house with it. Seriously, any long-chain hydrocarbon (jet fuel, kerosene, home-heating oil, diesel, Mazola, etc) will work fine. WD-40 is probably OK, but I'd avoid the harsher spray penetrants. Don't use those short-chain or halogenated organics (gasoline, hexanes, acetone, MEK, chloroform, 1,2-dichloroethane, etc) or aromatics (benzenes, toluene, etc.). Mark B2 A2 A3

[Brent Bacon]

What's the difference between kero and diesel, besides taxes? I know there must be a small difference. I am not being smart. I have wondered this for a long time. The list is the only place I can asked the stupid questions and not have to show my face.

----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Palmer To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Chain lube > bohdansdad wrote: > [...] > > So how do I clean my chain > > I like diesel fuel to clean chains, although I have used kerosene when > the chain was particularly dirty. Maybe WD40 or similar is enough to > get the dirt on the chain wet enough to wipe off. > I figure that since the whatever liquid you use to clean the chain > is likely to penetrate under the rollers, something as slick as > diesel would lube the inside of the rollers longer. > Your owners manual probably says you can use kero or diesel. > > An old toothbrush comes in handy when you get real fussy with the > harder-to-get-at places. Since most toothbrushes are made of some > kind of thermoplastic, I sometimes modify mine by heating the > handle over a cigarette lighter to put bends in the handle for > special jobs. > > Cleaning and lubing chains is a messy thing to do, any way you do it. > > Also, this is when you notice that you don't have a centrestand > > It probably wouldn't hurt to take off the front sprocket cover > occasionally and clean in there, too. > > > and what kind of lube should I use to make > > this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be > > greatly appreciated. > > That is like asking which oil to use in the engine. > > Mister_T > Melbourne Australia > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

[Devon Jarvis]

I think kerosene and diesel are actually different fractions from the distilling process, but similar. Perhaps you are thinking of #2 home heating oil? AFAIK #2 is identical to diesel, except for the MUCH higher motor-vehicle-fuel taxes. It allegedly makes for an easy and popular mafia scam- own a heating oil company, and have an associate own a gas station. Buy #2 heating oil, sell it as diesel. Pocket the difference. As far as chains, I use a rag and a lot of WD-40 (mostly stoddard solvent, AKA white mineral spirits). Then, if I'm washing the bike anyway I'll spray S100 on the chain as well and GENTLY rinse it with the garden hose. Don't get a pressure washer anywhere near your chain, it will have enough pressure to drive water inside the o-rings. I use a scottoiler, so the chain stays pretty clean generally. Devon A15 Brent Bacon wrote:

> What's the difference between kero and diesel, besides taxes? I know there > must be a small difference. I am not being smart. I have wondered this for > a long time. The list is the only place I can asked the stupid questions > and not have to show my face. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ted Palmer > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Chain lube > > > bohdansdad wrote: > > [...] > > > So how do I clean my chain > > > > I like diesel fuel to clean chains, although I have used kerosene when > > the chain was particularly dirty. Maybe WD40 or similar is enough to > > get the dirt on the chain wet enough to wipe off. > > I figure that since the whatever liquid you use to clean the chain > > is likely to penetrate under the rollers, something as slick as > > diesel would lube the inside of the rollers longer. > > Your owners manual probably says you can use kero or diesel. > > > > An old toothbrush comes in handy when you get real fussy with the > > harder-to-get-at places. Since most toothbrushes are made of some > > kind of thermoplastic, I sometimes modify mine by heating the > > handle over a cigarette lighter to put bends in the handle for > > special jobs. > > > > Cleaning and lubing chains is a messy thing to do, any way you do it. > > > > Also, this is when you notice that you don't have a centrestand > > > > It probably wouldn't hurt to take off the front sprocket cover > > occasionally and clean in there, too. > > > > > and what kind of lube should I use to make > > > this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be > > > greatly appreciated. > > > > That is like asking which oil to use in the engine. > > > > Mister_T > > Melbourne Australia > > > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > > http://www.dualsportnews.com > > Be part of the Adventure! > > > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > Checkout Dual Sport News at > http://www.dualsportnews.com > Be part of the Adventure! > > Visit the KLR650 archives at > http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650 > > Post message: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: DSN_klr650-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: DSN_klr650-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Mark St.Hilaire, Sr]

> So how do I clean my chain and what kind of lube should I use to make > this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be > greatly appreciated.

I use kerosene for cleaning, and YOU can use the following, which was posted to this list some time ago, to decide what you want to lube with. (I use Maxima Chain Wax because it's readily available.) ============ As tested by Motorcycle Consumer News in the Sept issue. They tested 22 different chain lubes, here are the results: #01 - PJ1 Chain Lube (black) total score 25.0 / est. @ $0.42/oz #02 - Kawasaki K-Kare Foaming total score 23.5 / est. @ $0.36/oz #03 - Yamaha Performance total score 23.5 / est. @ $0.53/oz #04 - Pro Honda HP Lube total score 22.0 / est. @ $0.53/oz #05 - PJ1 Chain Lube (blue) total score 22.0 / est. @ $0.44/oz #06 - Torco Power Slide Titanium total score 21.5 /est.@ $0.54/oz #07 - Bardahl Chain Wax w/ score 20.0 @ $0.47/oz #08 - Maxima Synthetic Chain Guard w/ score 19.5 @ $0.54/oz #09 - Silkolene ProChain w/ score 18.5 @ $0.48/oz #10 - Bel-Ray Chain Lube w/ score 18.5 @ $0.43/oz #11 - Maxima Chain Wax w/ score 17.5 @ $0.59/oz #12 - VP Chain Glide w/ score 17.5 @ $0.54/oz #13 - Bel-ray Super Clean w/ score 17.5 @ $0.59/oz #14 - Castrol Chain Wax w/ score 17.0 @ $1.84/oz #15 - Lubrimatic EP Gear Lube w/ score 16.5 @ $0.059/oz* roughly 6 cents #16 - Motul Chain Lube w/ score 16.5 @ $0.59/oz #17 - Motul Chain Lube Plus w/ score 16.0 @ $0.59/oz #18 - Suzuki Chain Lube w/ score 16.0 @ $0.42/oz [The following were below WD-40 ratings] #19 - WD-40 w/ score 14.5 @ $0.40/oz #20 - Spectro Synthetic Total Tac w/ score 14.5 @ $0.46/oz #21 - Silkolene Chain Lube w/ score 11.0 @ $0.41/oz #22 - Yamaha Chain Lube w/ score 9.0 @ $0.43/oz Wise men still seek Him... Mark St.Hilaire, Sr A15 HomePage: http://home.adelphia.net/~msaint/index.html KLR650 Pages: http://klr6500.tripod.com/ Valve Check & Adjustment Guide: http://klr6500.tripod.com/valves.html

[Darrel & Deanna]

If your A15 has around 10K miles on it, there's a good chance your chain is shot. My OEM chain died about that time and the noise you mention was the indicator. I've got over 15K miles on my DID X-Ring chain and still going strong. Darrel A12 ****************** So how do I clean my chain and what kind of lube should I use to make this noise go away. I am new to motorcycling and any help would be greatly appreciated. David A15