few questions on up coming maint

[Jud]

Last fall, my KLR got knocked over in the parking lot at work. Damage was minor, and was well compensated by the car driver's insurer. A few days after the incident, my speedo quit working. On inspection, I found the speedo drive pointing straight down, instead of to the rear where it should be. The cable sheath had ripped out of the threaded ferrule, which was still snugly in place. The drive was still held tight by the axle, and could not be moved by hand. I had to loosen the axle nut and partially withdraw the axle before I could rotate the drive housing back to its correct position. This led me to wonder how the drive housing had rotated either 90 or 270 to its new position. The housing is normally held tight by the axle. In addition, there are a couple of cast lugs on the fork leg which capture a corresponding lug on the drive housing. One of the lugs on the fork leg had a chip out of it, but they still seemed to keep the housing from rotating, although not very securely; it is the pressure of the axle that really keeps everything from moving. The cable inner was nowhere to be found, An inspection of the drive and hub revealed nothing apparently out of order. Replacing the cable and returning the drive unit to its correct position had the speedometer working perfectly again. It continued to work fine all this spring and summer, including a trip to South Dakota where the bike saw some fairly rough roads and biffed once. Last week it happened again. I first noticed the speedo was not working when I started my 6-mile ride to work. When I arrived, the cable had again ripped out of the ferrule. The inner was trailing on the pavement with about 8 inches still left in the sheath. Once again, the housing was pointing straight down, and was still held tightly so that I could not move it by hand until I slacked off the axle bolt. I will probab;y have to renew the cable once again, as the salvaged cable inner is slightly kinked. Although the speedo and odo both work, the needle twitches, and rarely reads over 50 mph no matter how fast I am going. This is baffling to me. Something is causing the speedo drive to rotate and rip out the cable. I assume it is rotating forward, but I am not even sure of that. Hs anyone encountered this? Any ideas?

[Fred Hink]

I had a customer in the other day and his speedometer drive was making noise. Removing the drive I see that part of the hub holding the wheel bearing had broken off and was lodged in the speedometer drive. I had an extra wheel to send him on his way after cleaning out the speedometer drive. The parts that broke off the hub could have easily got in the gears and locked up the drive which could have rotated the drive around. Also his speedometer drive was bone dry. Cleaning up the broken bits and greasing the gears in the drive made a big difference. Have you looked under your seal to see if there might be a rock or some debris that could get in your drive gears? Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Jud Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:29 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] What's up with my speedo drive? Last fall, my KLR got knocked over in the parking lot at work. Damage was minor, and was well compensated by the car driver's insurer. A few days after the incident, my speedo quit working. On inspection, I found the speedo drive pointing straight down, instead of to the rear where it should be. The cable sheath had ripped out of the threaded ferrule, which was still snugly in place. The drive was still held tight by the axle, and could not be moved by hand. I had to loosen the axle nut and partially withdraw the axle before I could rotate the drive housing back to its correct position. This led me to wonder how the drive housing had rotated either 90 or 270 to its new position. The housing is normally held tight by the axle. In addition, there are a couple of cast lugs on the fork leg which capture a corresponding lug on the drive housing. One of the lugs on the fork leg had a chip out of it, but they still seemed to keep the housing from rotating, although not very securely; it is the pressure of the axle that really keeps everything from moving. The cable inner was nowhere to be found, An inspection of the drive and hub revealed nothing apparently out of order. Replacing the cable and returning the drive unit to its correct position had the speedometer working perfectly again. It continued to work fine all this spring and summer, including a trip to South Dakota where the bike saw some fairly rough roads and biffed once. Last week it happened again. I first noticed the speedo was not working when I started my 6-mile ride to work. When I arrived, the cable had again ripped out of the ferrule. The inner was trailing on the pavement with about 8 inches still left in the sheath. Once again, the housing was pointing straight down, and was still held tightly so that I could not move it by hand until I slacked off the axle bolt. I will probab;y have to renew the cable once again, as the salvaged cable inner is slightly kinked. Although the speedo and odo both work, the needle twitches, and rarely reads over 50 mph no matter how fast I am going. This is baffling to me. Something is causing the speedo drive to rotate and rip out the cable. I assume it is rotating forward, but I am not even sure of that. Hs anyone encountered this? Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bogdan Swider]

I had the same experience a few years ago. The explanation I settled on was when I did a tire change and then re-installed the wheel, I didn't align the drive parts perfectly. What confused the issue was that I did line them up well enough for everything to work for a few thousand miles. It's hard to know because they can shift out of view after you think they're where they should be. Since then I've been super careful to put the drive together, just right as best I can - when installing the front wheel and ..I've had no further problems. Hey, Jud. Since you and I have shared this and possibly other experiences, does that mean I'm doomed to eventually accept your weird take on reality ? Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ron criswell]

Bogdan, Jud is from the Bent Nail sect. A very strange...but handy group. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Sep 19, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > I had the same experience a few years ago. The explanation I settled on was when I did a tire change and then re-installed the wheel, I didn't align the drive parts perfectly. What confused the issue was that I did line them up well enough for everything to work for a few thousand miles. It's hard to know because they can shift out of view after you think they're where they should be. Since then I've been super careful to put the drive together, just right as best I can - when installing the front wheel and ..I've had no further problems. > > Hey, Jud. Since you and I have shared this and possibly other experiences, does that mean I'm doomed to eventually accept your weird take on reality ? > > Bogdan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links > > >

[Bogdan Swider]

More details are coming back to me about the time I had pretty much I think the same problem as Judman. It's been a number of years. There's a part in the drive assembly called a receiver- 4164-1051; it's a soft metal ring/plate with 2 lugs projecting from it. These lugs fit into corresponding openings in the meter screw gear - 41060 1101. When I reinstalled my wheel these two parts were not aligned exactly right but they were close. The soft metal receiver bent because of the misalignment. This bent plate gripped the screw gear and held the parts together for a good while. Eventually the 2 parts slipped apart and I thus lost my speedo. Upon inspection I noticed the malformed ring and I hammered it flat. I put everything together this time more carefully and all was well. Bogdan From: Jud > Date: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:29 AM To: "DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comDSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] What's up with my speedo drive? Last fall, my KLR got knocked over in the parking lot at work. Damage was minor, and was well compensated by the car driver's insurer. A few days after the incident, my speedo quit working. On inspection, I found the speedo drive pointing straight down, instead of to the rear where it should be. The cable sheath had ripped out of the threaded ferrule, which was still snugly in place. The drive was still held tight by the axle, and could not be moved by hand. I had to loosen the axle nut and partially withdraw the axle before I could rotate the drive housing back to its correct position. This led me to wonder how the drive housing had rotated either 90 or 270 to its new position. The housing is normally held tight by the axle. In addition, there are a couple of cast lugs on the fork leg which capture a corresponding lug on the drive housing. One of the lugs on the fork leg had a chip out of it, but they still seemed to keep the housing from rotating, although not very securely; it is the pressure of the axle that really keeps everything from moving. The cable inner was nowhere to be found, An inspection of the drive and hub revealed nothing apparently out of order. Replacing the cable and returning the drive unit to its correct position had the speedometer working perfectly again. It continued to work fine all this spring and summer, including a trip to South Dakota where the bike saw some fairly rough roads and biffed once. Last week it happened again. I first noticed the speedo was not working when I started my 6-mile ride to work. When I arrived, the cable had again ripped out of the ferrule. The inner was trailing on the pavement with about 8 inches still left in the sheath. Once again, the housing was pointing straight down, and was still held tightly so that I could not move it by hand until I slacked off the axle bolt. I will probab;y have to renew the cable once again, as the salvaged cable inner is slightly kinked. Although the speedo and odo both work, the needle twitches, and rarely reads over 50 mph no matter how fast I am going. This is baffling to me. Something is causing the speedo drive to rotate and rip out the cable. I assume it is rotating forward, but I am not even sure of that. Hs anyone encountered this? Any ideas? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

Bogdan, I would not say doomed, but rather fortunate. As the Buddha would say, everything we think we perceive is an illusion. I would say, not illusion, but the product of many catenated layers of mathematics. Like the Higgs boson, pure mathematical conjecture, until recently. But did they really observe it, or did our perceptions finally find a way to assign it the appearance of substance? The same thing happened with the boson as with every subatomic particle before it. The existence of each was predicated by mathematics long before we devised a way to "observe". Do you think the Higgs boson is the end of the line, or will the mathematics predicate yet another elusive particle, necessary to resolve the gaps in the calculations? As to my speedo hub, I have a couple of times experienced the problem you describe, and have even replaced the notched plate, after a couple of mildly successful corrective surgeries on its predecessor. In those cases, the speedo quit, but the drive remained in place. Repair or replacement of the notched plate was necessary to get it working again. In the present case, there is no apparent damage to the notched plate, and no indication that the hub was assembled incorrectly. When I repaired or replaced the cable and restored the drive box to its correct alignment the speedometer worked perfectly, without any thing else. I'm thinking Fred might be on the right track; I'll have to take a closer look.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > I had the same experience a few years ago. The explanation I settled on was when I did a tire change and then re-installed the wheel, I didn't align the drive parts perfectly. What confused the issue was that I did line them up well enough for everything to work for a few thousand miles. It's hard to know because they can shift out of view after you think they're where they should be. Since then I've been super careful to put the drive together, just right as best I can - when installing the front wheel and ..I've had no further problems. > > Hey, Jud. Since you and I have shared this and possibly other experiences, does that mean I'm doomed to eventually accept your weird take on reality ? > > Bogdan > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Mike Frey]

A hundred years ago, the Boson roamed the Great Plains in huge numbers. The most majestic of all was the Higgs Boson, an elusive beast. But the white man indiscriminately killed many, just for sport, and the glorious boson nearly disappeared. Now, thanks to the efforts of conservation and the some people at CERN (I think this is in South Dakota), the Boson has made a comeback and can now be seen once again.

On 9/19/2012 9:47 PM, Jud wrote: > > Like the Higgs boson, pure mathematical conjecture, until recently. > But did they really observe it > >

[Kevin Powers]

On a recent pass through the Black Hills, I picked up a "Nerds Seeking Wimps" t-shirt from the Sanford underground laboratory at the former Homestake mine in Lead. http://www.sanfordundergroundlaboratoryathomestake.org/ I missed the Higgs Bison though. -- Kevin Powers Woodbury, MN

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Mike Frey wrote: > A hundred years ago, the Boson roamed the Great Plains in huge numbers. > The most majestic of all was the Higgs Boson, an elusive beast. But the > white man indiscriminately killed many, just for sport, and the glorious > boson nearly disappeared. Now, thanks to the efforts of conservation and > the some people at CERN (I think this is in South Dakota), the Boson has > made a comeback and can now be seen once again. > > On 9/19/2012 9:47 PM, Jud wrote: > > > > Like the Higgs boson, pure mathematical conjecture, until recently. > > But did they really observe it > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[k650@verizon.net]

Dolly Parton has some big Bosons. Walt -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Frey Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2012 14:37 To: List KLR Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: What's up with my speedo drive? A hundred years ago, the Boson roamed the Great Plains in huge numbers. The most majestic of all was the Higgs Boson, an elusive beast. But the white man indiscriminately killed many, just for sport, and the glorious boson nearly disappeared. Now, thanks to the efforts of conservation and the some people at CERN (I think this is in South Dakota), the Boson has made a comeback and can now be seen once again.

On 9/19/2012 9:47 PM, Jud wrote: > > Like the Higgs boson, pure mathematical conjecture, until recently. > But did they really observe it > >

[Bogdan Swider]

The same thing happened with the boson as with every subatomic particle before it. The existence of each was predicated by mathematics long before we devised a way to "observe". Do you think the Higgs boson is the end of the line, or will the mathematics predicate yet another elusive particle, necessary to resolve the gaps in the calculations? Don't know about bosons and prarticals; in the 60s some thought they observed God. On that note, kinda .Richard Tarnas states that mathematical constructs of the universe are as anthropomorphic as it gets. Much more so than Michelangelo's God the father as an old man. Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]