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[bryanonfire]

Hi, I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, but lost that somehow. Here's my questions: 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, and chain service, the ones I will need most. 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or combinations I'll never use. Everything else I have already made decisions on. Thanks, Bryan

[John Biccum]

13mm, 30mm probably nothing on a stock bike. I use a 13mm for the nylock nuts on the chain adjusters but the stock nuts are 12mm. I have never seen a 13mm on any Japanese bike or car unless it is a nylock, Fuji-Lock, or an oddball bespoke fastener. I think that odd sizes offend the engineers I use a 30mm (1/2 drive socket) for the (aftermarket Fuji-lock) nut holding the drive sprocket on. (Stock is 27mm but a 1-1/16 inch is a perfect fit since 27mm=~1.063 inches)

On 7/13/2012 5:32 PM, bryanonfire wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in > Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can > find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got > my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, > but lost that somehow. > > Here's my questions: > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the > older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, > and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, > 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm > combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these > for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or > combinations I'll never use. > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

30mm would be for the Eagle Mike prevailing torque nut. 13mm fits a lot of the aftermarket bolt-ons, but nothing on the stock bike. Here is my MacGuyver kit for the KLR, hope I remembered everything: # 10, 12, 13 and 14mm Combination wrenches # PowerBuilt Extendable 3/8" drive ratchet # 6" 3/8" drive extension # 6" 3/8" drive wobble extension # 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17 and 19mm 3/8" drive sockets # 4, 5 and 6mm Allen sockets # 1/2" to 3/8" drive adaptor. # 27mm 1/2" drive deep socket # 1 3/16" (or 30mm) 1/2" drive socket (for the Eagle Mike prevailing torque nut) # A medium-quality multi-tool # Pliers # Spoke wrench # Spark Plug socket # LED flashlight and extra batteries # Tube patch kit # 3 tire irons # 4-way screwdriver # 8oz. bottle of Windex # 6oz bottle of "Bubble Fluid" (For tire lubricant, hand washing) # 4oz applicator bottle of gear oil (chain lube) # A quart of oil # Valve core tool # Tire pressure gauge Plus or minus: # Compact 12v compressor # Cargo net # A couple of rags # Cell phone charger -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Biccum" To: "bryanonfire" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:17:47 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] tool kit 13mm, 30mm probably nothing on a stock bike. I use a 13mm for the nylock nuts on the chain adjusters but the stock nuts are 12mm. I have never seen a 13mm on any Japanese bike or car unless it is a nylock, Fuji-Lock, or an oddball bespoke fastener. I think that odd sizes offend the engineers I use a 30mm (1/2 drive socket) for the (aftermarket Fuji-lock) nut holding the drive sprocket on. (Stock is 27mm but a 1-1/16 inch is a perfect fit since 27mm=~1.063 inches) On 7/13/2012 5:32 PM, bryanonfire wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in > Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can > find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got > my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, > but lost that somehow. > > Here's my questions: > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the > older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, > and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, > 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm > combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these > for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or > combinations I'll never use. > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

I would not go anywhere without a 13mm wrench. The Japanese bikes might not use it anymore, but European bikes sure do, so my tool roll will always contain it. In addition, it will fit a half-inch fastener, so you may well need it to deal with USA-made accessories. The same hols with 11mm, which is pretty close to 7/16.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, John Biccum wrote: > > 13mm, 30mm probably nothing on a stock bike. > > I use a 13mm for the nylock nuts on the chain adjusters but the stock > nuts are 12mm. I have never seen a 13mm on any Japanese bike or car > unless it is a nylock, Fuji-Lock, or an oddball bespoke fastener. I > think that odd sizes offend the engineers > > I use a 30mm (1/2 drive socket) for the (aftermarket Fuji-lock) nut > holding the drive sprocket on. (Stock is 27mm but a 1-1/16 inch is a > perfect fit since 27mm=~1.063 inches) > > > On 7/13/2012 5:32 PM, bryanonfire wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in > > Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can > > find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got > > my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, > > but lost that somehow. > > > > Here's my questions: > > > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the > > older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, > > and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, > > 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm > > combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these > > for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or > > combinations I'll never use. > > > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[revmaaatin]

If you really want to know what wrenches you will need, disassemble you bike with 'what you brought'. Remove the wheels, remove the side covers, seat, and tank, loosen/tighten every bolt and nut on your semi-stipped bike with only the tools in your tool kit. = engine mounting bolts, side cases, suspension system 'Fix a flat'. Use only what is on your bike. Will your tire inflation device work? IRT not wanting to carry extra sockets, Bravo. However, if you don't carry them, you will be dependent upon the benevolence of others to be prepared.... Remove the counter shaft nut; No, don't see if the counter shaft nut wrench fits, remove it. Tighten/loosen the battery terminals. (some phillips are #2, others are #3. Adjust/remove a mirror. Reposition the handle bars. Your 3/8" drive can also use 1/4" drive sockets with a little adapter. Buy good screwdrivers; tire irons (3). Add safety wire. When, you load your bike with all the goods, load the tools last. As a side note: I found an less-expensive way to build a quality tool kit without compromising my garage tools. I bought a 'Cresant' brand tool kit (on-sale) that had 90%+ of everything I needed to build a quality m/c tool kit. It was the variety that comes in a platic portfolio, with two swinging doors. The screw drivers in the kit use the hex-head points so you get several screwdrivers for the space of one handle. I supplimented the kit with a couple of big metric six-point, wrenches from Harbor Freight (sold as 8-10 wrenches-Made in India); the longer wrenches help get enough torque on the larger nuts, rather than carry one of the shorter, specalized axle wrenches (which I also own). ymmv. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "bryanonfire" wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, but lost that somehow. > > Here's my questions: > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or combinations I'll never use. > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > Thanks, > > Bryan >

[revmaaatin]

I received a PM asking for specifics on the Crescent tool kit: Cooper Hand Tools Crescent Tool Set 148 Pc Mechanics CTK148MP Crescent tool kit available at Amazon: ~$82; elgible for Super Saving Shipping http://www.amazon.com/Crescent-CTK148MP-148-Piece-Professional-Tool/dp/B000BQMLLY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1342412013&sr=8-3&keywords=crescent+tools Better price than I got 3 years ago at the local welding supply. Other suppliers available for ~$120 on ebay; some free shipppers. there is also a 170 piece set; it does not contain a set of 'dyke' side cutters, which I wanted more than 10" slip jaw pliers. You will have >80% fo the tools left over; put them in your regular tools as we all seem to consume sockets and wrenches over time. For this price, you can buy one for your wife so she is not out rooting around in your tool box trying to fix the water drip, etc. See: how much money you have already saved over calling a plumber. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > If you really want to know what wrenches you will need, disassemble you bike with 'what you brought'. > > Remove the wheels, remove the side covers, seat, and tank, > loosen/tighten every bolt and nut on your semi-stipped bike with only the tools in your tool kit. = engine mounting bolts, side cases, suspension system > > 'Fix a flat'. > Use only what is on your bike. > Will your tire inflation device work? > > IRT not wanting to carry extra sockets, Bravo. > However, if you don't carry them, you will be dependent upon the benevolence of others to be prepared.... > > Remove the counter shaft nut; No, don't see if the counter shaft nut wrench fits, remove it. > > Tighten/loosen the battery terminals. > (some phillips are #2, others are #3. > Adjust/remove a mirror. > Reposition the handle bars. > > Your 3/8" drive can also use 1/4" drive sockets with a little adapter. > > Buy good screwdrivers; tire irons (3). Add safety wire. > > When, you load your bike with all the goods, load the tools last. > > As a side note: > I found an less-expensive way to build a quality tool kit without compromising my garage tools. > I bought a 'Cresant' brand tool kit (on-sale) that had 90%+ > of everything I needed to build a quality m/c tool kit. It was the variety that comes in a platic portfolio, with two swinging doors. > The screw drivers in the kit use the hex-head points so you get several screwdrivers for the space of one handle. > > I supplimented the kit with a couple of big metric six-point, wrenches from Harbor Freight (sold as 8-10 wrenches-Made in India); the longer wrenches help get enough torque on the larger nuts, rather than carry one of the shorter, specalized axle wrenches (which I also own). > > ymmv. > revmaaatin. > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "bryanonfire" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, but lost that somehow. > > > > Here's my questions: > > > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or combinations I'll never use. > > > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > >

[Jeff Khoury]

I probably spent about that much on mine but I bought mine in small sets when they were on sale. I would do things like buy a set of metric sockets, then add a couple here and there to fill in. For instance, almost no socket sets come with an 8mm 3/8" drive socket. I wanted it in 3/8" drive just so I didn't have to carry another ratchet and set of extensions. I chose my brands from places where you can buy individuals as well to round it out. I recommend going "medium-quality". No need to go Snap-On, Mac, etc. but get good stuff. Look at Craftsman, Kobalt, Powerbuilt, etc. All of these brands sell separates. Frequently the places that carry these will have sales and you can pick up good stuff and save dough at the same time. One thing I must recommend is the Powerbuilt Extendable Ratchet. It has three lengths: stubby, standard and long. The handle is comfortable and it has held up to quite a bit of abuse. It can be disassembled to be cleaned and lubed which is a requirement of mine. I also like that it collapses down so it fits well in my tool kit. I carry a 3/8" to 1/2" adaptor so I can extend the ratchet all the way out and use the 27mm on the rear axle and the 30mm for the EM countershaft nut. They also have one that's 3/8" on one side and 1/4" on the other. http://www.amazon.com/Powerbuilt-940485-Extendable-Ratchet-Handle/dp/B004KEIGNK http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QO9KK2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004KEIGNK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=164A1RTRZJ2ATYABH042 -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "revmaaatin" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:54:38 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tool kit I received a PM asking for specifics on the Crescent tool kit: Cooper Hand Tools Crescent Tool Set 148 Pc Mechanics CTK148MP Crescent tool kit available at Amazon: ~$82; elgible for Super Saving Shipping http://www.amazon.com/Crescent-CTK148MP-148-Piece-Professional-Tool/dp/B000BQMLLY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1342412013&sr=8-3&keywords=crescent+tools Better price than I got 3 years ago at the local welding supply. Other suppliers available for ~$120 on ebay; some free shipppers. there is also a 170 piece set; it does not contain a set of 'dyke' side cutters, which I wanted more than 10" slip jaw pliers. You will have >80% fo the tools left over; put them in your regular tools as we all seem to consume sockets and wrenches over time. For this price, you can buy one for your wife so she is not out rooting around in your tool box trying to fix the water drip, etc. See: how much money you have already saved over calling a plumber. revmaaatin. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > If you really want to know what wrenches you will need, disassemble you bike with 'what you brought'. > > Remove the wheels, remove the side covers, seat, and tank, > loosen/tighten every bolt and nut on your semi-stipped bike with only the tools in your tool kit. = engine mounting bolts, side cases, suspension system > > 'Fix a flat'. > Use only what is on your bike. > Will your tire inflation device work? > > IRT not wanting to carry extra sockets, Bravo. > However, if you don't carry them, you will be dependent upon the benevolence of others to be prepared.... > > Remove the counter shaft nut; No, don't see if the counter shaft nut wrench fits, remove it. > > Tighten/loosen the battery terminals. > (some phillips are #2, others are #3. > Adjust/remove a mirror. > Reposition the handle bars. > > Your 3/8" drive can also use 1/4" drive sockets with a little adapter. > > Buy good screwdrivers; tire irons (3). Add safety wire. > > When, you load your bike with all the goods, load the tools last. > > As a side note: > I found an less-expensive way to build a quality tool kit without compromising my garage tools. > I bought a 'Cresant' brand tool kit (on-sale) that had 90%+ > of everything I needed to build a quality m/c tool kit. It was the variety that comes in a platic portfolio, with two swinging doors. > The screw drivers in the kit use the hex-head points so you get several screwdrivers for the space of one handle. > > I supplimented the kit with a couple of big metric six-point, wrenches from Harbor Freight (sold as 8-10 wrenches-Made in India); the longer wrenches help get enough torque on the larger nuts, rather than carry one of the shorter, specalized axle wrenches (which I also own). > > ymmv. > revmaaatin. > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "bryanonfire" wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, but lost that somehow. > > > > Here's my questions: > > > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or combinations I'll never use. > > > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bryan > > >

[Eddie]

I may have missed it in someone's tool kit list. But, if it hasn't been covered, I like to add a Telescoping Mechanic's Magnet. Nothing fancy. Just the simple kind about the size of a pencil when collapsed and with a tiny rare earth magnet in the end. Ever drop a nut or bolt in a hard to reach place or worse - in the grass on the side of the road? A magnet can help reduce or eliminate a whole bunch of colorful language. eddie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> >> Here is my MacGuyver kit for the KLR, hope I remembered everything:

**snip** +1 for Coach K's tool list. Thanks for taking the time to individually list your tools. Everyone has some personalizations--here are two of mine: I have added a 13", 1/2" drive breaker bar for the axle and C/s sprocket due to my own diminishing physical abilities. sigh. I (and I observe others as well) am no longer the brute I thought I was. A little more tool weight carried, a lot less frustration. smile. I also include a valve stem snake in the kit to feed the tube valve stem through the rim. Might not be as 'necessary' for some, but has removed significant frustration to the less dexterous fingers--especially trailside. here is a commercial version with picture: In Fred's general catalog, tires, way down the list: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/parts_frames.html and one more http://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/p/43/-/171/726/-/18288/Tusk-Valve-Stem-Puller/VALVE+STEM+SNAKE The funny thing about our tool kits, you learn what you need by going. When you are no longer -going- and find yourself -fixing- or your buddy is fixing, you really learn, "Oh, I wish i had that ________." What you learn, report it here! It makes for great campfire tales or fodder for your friends on DSN! revmaaatin. "The difference between adventure and adversity is attitude." (unknown)

[revmaaatin]

+1 buying on sale, except when you gotta have it today, as in, "Oh, no, where are my tools. I loaned my tool-roll to my neighbor the day before we started on this 3-week Great Divide Ride" (Chuck, circa Sept 2008) "He said he would put my tool roll back in the bike...." That is why they make Sears! and credit cards. Several people (long term list personalites) like this pair of pliers (or it may be the larger set) Knipex 8603180 7-Inch Pliers Wrench http://www.amazon.com/Knipex-8603180-7-Inch-Pliers-Wrench/dp/B000X4KP1C/ref=sr_1_47?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1342453018&sr=1-47&keywords=pliers shrug. those that have the pliers, seem to love them; I never drank that koolaid. grin. one, last, last, last thing to add to the tool discussion-- IMO 6pt sockets are superior to 12pt sockets for most applications. Lifetime warrenty tools are always better than slightly cheaper tools. Tools that you need, that are still on the bench/garage are worthless. and The only time you have to much gas, is when you are on fire. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > I probably spent about that much on mine but I bought mine in small sets when they were on sale. > > I would do things like buy a set of metric sockets, then add a couple here and there to fill in. For instance, almost no socket sets come with an 8mm 3/8" drive socket. I wanted it in 3/8" drive just so I didn't have to carry another ratchet and set of extensions. I chose my brands from places where you can buy individuals as well to round it out. > > I recommend going "medium-quality". No need to go Snap-On, Mac, etc. but get good stuff. Look at Craftsman, Kobalt, Powerbuilt, etc. All of these brands sell separates. Frequently the places that carry these will have sales and you can pick up good stuff and save dough at the same time. > > One thing I must recommend is the Powerbuilt Extendable Ratchet. It has three lengths: stubby, standard and long. The handle is comfortable and it has held up to quite a bit of abuse. It can be disassembled to be cleaned and lubed which is a requirement of mine. I also like that it collapses down so it fits well in my tool kit. I carry a 3/8" to 1/2" adaptor so I can extend the ratchet all the way out and use the 27mm on the rear axle and the 30mm for the EM countershaft nut. They also have one that's 3/8" on one side and 1/4" on the other. > > http://www.amazon.com/Powerbuilt-940485-Extendable-Ratchet-Handle/dp/B004KEIGNK > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QO9KK2/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_2?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B004KEIGNK&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=164A1RTRZJ2ATYABH042 > > > > -Jeff Khoury > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "revmaaatin" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 9:54:38 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: tool kit > > > > > > > I received a PM asking for specifics on the Crescent tool kit: > Cooper Hand Tools Crescent Tool Set 148 Pc Mechanics CTK148MP > > Crescent tool kit available at Amazon: ~$82; elgible for Super Saving Shipping > http://www.amazon.com/Crescent-CTK148MP-148-Piece-Professional-Tool/dp/B000BQMLLY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1342412013&sr=8-3&keywords=crescent+tools > > Better price than I got 3 years ago at the local welding supply. > > Other suppliers available for ~$120 on ebay; some free shipppers. > > there is also a 170 piece set; it does not contain a set of 'dyke' side cutters, which I wanted more than 10" slip jaw pliers. > > You will have >80% fo the tools left over; put them in your regular tools as we all seem to consume sockets and wrenches over time. > > For this price, you can buy one for your wife so she is not out rooting around in your tool box trying to fix the water drip, etc. > See: how much money you have already saved over calling a plumber. > > revmaaatin. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > If you really want to know what wrenches you will need, disassemble you bike with 'what you brought'. > > > > Remove the wheels, remove the side covers, seat, and tank, > > loosen/tighten every bolt and nut on your semi-stipped bike with only the tools in your tool kit. = engine mounting bolts, side cases, suspension system > > > > 'Fix a flat'. > > Use only what is on your bike. > > Will your tire inflation device work? > > > > IRT not wanting to carry extra sockets, Bravo. > > However, if you don't carry them, you will be dependent upon the benevolence of others to be prepared.... > > > > Remove the counter shaft nut; No, don't see if the counter shaft nut wrench fits, remove it. > > > > Tighten/loosen the battery terminals. > > (some phillips are #2, others are #3. > > Adjust/remove a mirror. > > Reposition the handle bars. > > > > Your 3/8" drive can also use 1/4" drive sockets with a little adapter. > > > > Buy good screwdrivers; tire irons (3). Add safety wire. > > > > When, you load your bike with all the goods, load the tools last. > > > > As a side note: > > I found an less-expensive way to build a quality tool kit without compromising my garage tools. > > I bought a 'Cresant' brand tool kit (on-sale) that had 90%+ > > of everything I needed to build a quality m/c tool kit. It was the variety that comes in a platic portfolio, with two swinging doors. > > The screw drivers in the kit use the hex-head points so you get several screwdrivers for the space of one handle. > > > > I supplimented the kit with a couple of big metric six-point, wrenches from Harbor Freight (sold as 8-10 wrenches-Made in India); the longer wrenches help get enough torque on the larger nuts, rather than carry one of the shorter, specalized axle wrenches (which I also own). > > > > ymmv. > > revmaaatin. > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "bryanonfire" wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm going to need to buy a set of tools for a KLR I'm meeting in Europe soon. To do so I have gone through every KLR web site I can find, including many of the files, to find tool kit lists. When I got my '03 KLR I started a list of every tool I used while working on it, but lost that somehow. > > > > > > Here's my questions: > > > > > > 1: is there any significant difference between the E model and the older ones, as far as fasteners go? Especially axles, oil change plug, and chain service, the ones I will need most. > > > > > > 2: different kits add or leave out certain wrenches. What are the 6, 9, 11, 13, 15, for? Most kits leave them out. One calls for a 19 mm combination wrench. One kit mentions a 30mm socket. What are these for? It may just be a few ounces but I don't want to carry sockets or combinations I'll never use. > > > > > > Everything else I have already made decisions on. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bryan > > > > > >