thread closed. nklr any lawyers or leos in the bunch?

[Eddie]

Any lawyers or LEOs in the bunch? I have a small problem with a woman from down the block walking her dog in our yard. Not the front yard along side the city sidewalk, either. She's come up the driveway and into the backyard area behind the house that I rent. I tried explaining to her that it's private property. Her excuse is since I don't own the place, it's okay for her to come onto the premises. According to Georgia Code, Crimes And offenses Title 16, section 16-17-21, it's not okay. I tried to explain to her that as a "rightful occupant", she is indeed trespassing after she has been advised not to come here - both directly by me and the Private Property/No Trespassing sign. She wouldn't hear it and challenged me to call the police, which I did. She left immediately and I looked like a goof when two units arrived and I had to tell them the story. Their instructions were to not speak to her if she comes back and to just call 911 again and they would send someone out to talk to her. Trouble is, she'll be gone again by the time they get here. She hasn't threatened me or anything(yet). But, from her words and attitude, I don't think she's entirely stable. "She's right and I'm wrong for not allowing her to come into my yard to walk the dog." Never mind we live <200 yards from a city park with a walking trail. Sigh. I share the yard with the other tenants of this house + 8 more neighbors in adjoining apartments. I've spoken with them and they agree. The area is off the street and behind the residence. We've had folks cut through here on several occasions with vehicles broken into, property damaged/stolen, etc... We don't want non-residents coming here without permission. Advice? eddie, Columbus, GA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

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--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > > > Any lawyers or LEOs in the bunch? > > I have a small problem with a woman from down the block walking her dog in our yard. > Not the front yard along side the city sidewalk, either. She's come up the driveway and > into the backyard area behind the house that I rent. I tried explaining to her that it's private > property. Her excuse is since I don't own the place, it's okay for her to come onto the premises. > According to Georgia Code, Crimes And offenses Title 16, section 16-17-21, it's not okay. > I tried to explain to her that as a "rightful occupant", she is indeed trespassing after she has been > advised not to come here - both directly by me and the Private Property/No Trespassing sign. > She wouldn't hear it and challenged me to call the police, which I did. She left immediately > and I looked like a goof when two units arrived and I had to tell them the story. > > Their instructions were to not speak to her if she comes back and to just call 911 again > and they would send someone out to talk to her. Trouble is, she'll be gone again by the time they get here. > She hasn't threatened me or anything(yet). But, from her words and attitude, I don't think she's entirely stable. > "She's right and I'm wrong for not allowing her to come into my yard to walk the dog." > Never mind we live Sigh. > I share the yard with the other tenants of this house + 8 more neighbors in adjoining apartments. > I've spoken with them and they agree. The area is off the street and behind the residence. > We've had folks cut through here on several occasions with vehicles broken into, property damaged/stolen, etc... > We don't want non-residents coming here without permission. > Advice? > > eddie, > Columbus, GA > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[SniperOne]

Eddie, After 20+ years of LEO work I will tell you the same thing the officers did when they arrived. If she returns, call the police and let them handle it. If you know where she lives you can give them that info so they can go talk with her. If you can video her on your property (with a date & time stamp) from inside w/o her knowing, the officers may be able to use it (depending on Ga law) as foundational for any actions they may need to take. I know it rubs us all the wrong way to hear "don't be confrontational", because our "adventure riding" nature is one where we generally handle things for ourselves. This is a different arena though, you're not on a forest trail tracing out an electrical short. This is an arena that is rife with litigation and people who will purposefully escallate things with the intent of setting up a suit. A LEO has the authority (and system) to legally handle issues and yet too often they become the subject of IA complaints/investigations and are very often named in a suit if its necessary to use any level of force. This holds even if they do everything absolutely correct. Let me paint a quick picture of how quickly things can go bad, just based on what you've indicated about her: She is in your yard again, you go out and ask her to leave, she says no, you say you'll call the cops. You have already given us indications of her unreasonableness, and possibly some mental instability (self absorbed and doesn't think logically or rejects what the law says). She quickly becomes emotionally enraged and starts slapping at you. You step back and push her away from you (normal defensive response). But when you push her away she trips and falls. Believe me, this is not unusual. Anyway, guess who's gonna spend tens of thousands and and have their life turned upside down for years in civil litigation, EVEN AFTER THE POLICE SAY THERE'S NO CRIME COMMITTED ON YOUR PART AND/OR IF THEY CHARGE HER WITH SOMETHING. In conclusion, call the police, and keep calling the police each time so there's a record and something to establish a pattern of her continuing trespass. Don't confront or talk with her. My apologies to everyone for the long missive. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original Message----- From: eddie Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:29 AM To: KLR650 list DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR Any lawyers or LEOS in the bunch? Any lawyers or LEOs in the bunch? I have a small problem with a woman from down the block walking her dog in our yard. Not the front yard along side the city sidewalk, either. She's come up the driveway and into the backyard area behind the house that I rent. I tried explaining to her that it's private property. Her excuse is since I don't own the place, it's okay for her to come onto the premises. According to Georgia Code, Crimes And offenses Title 16, section 16-17-21, it's not okay. I tried to explain to her that as a "rightful occupant", she is indeed trespassing after she has been advised not to come here - both directly by me and the Private Property/No Trespassing sign. She wouldn't hear it and challenged me to call the police, which I did. She left immediately and I looked like a goof when two units arrived and I had to tell them the story. Their instructions were to not speak to her if she comes back and to just call 911 again and they would send someone out to talk to her. Trouble is, she'll be gone again by the time they get here. She hasn't threatened me or anything(yet). But, from her words and attitude, I don't think she's entirely stable. "She's right and I'm wrong for not allowing her to come into my yard to walk the dog." Never mind we live

[ron criswell]

Always, always think before you act. I was in traffic yesterday in an area where they are doing a lot of construction and found myself stopped in the wrong lane. I whipped in front of this red Dodge coming in the other lane. He got right on my ass honking....and a rather strange honk. First response is shoot him the bird....but I didn't. Good thing, I noticed as he passed me glaring at me in big...gold letters on the side of his car "Grapevine Police." HEH! I think she is intentionally trying to provoke you to do something stupid. Some live for this kind of situation. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:26 PM, SniperOne wrote: > Eddie, > After 20+ years of LEO work I will tell you the same thing the officers did when they arrived. If she returns, call the police and let them handle it. > > If you know where she lives you can give them that info so they can go talk with her. If you can video her on your property (with a date & time stamp) from inside w/o her knowing, the officers may be able to use it (depending on Ga law) as foundational for any actions they may need to take. > > I know it rubs us all the wrong way to hear "don't be confrontational", because our "adventure riding" nature is one where we generally handle things for ourselves. > > This is a different arena though, you're not on a forest trail tracing out an electrical short. This is an arena that is rife with litigation and people who will purposefully escallate things with the intent of setting up a suit. > > A LEO has the authority (and system) to legally handle issues and yet too often they become the subject of IA complaints/investigations and are very often named in a suit if its necessary to use any level of force. This holds even if they do everything absolutely correct. > > Let me paint a quick picture of how quickly things can go bad, just based on what you've indicated about her: > > She is in your yard again, you go out and ask her to leave, she says no, you say you'll call the cops. > > You have already given us indications of her unreasonableness, and possibly some mental instability (self absorbed and doesn't think logically or rejects what the law says). She quickly becomes emotionally enraged and starts slapping at you. You step back and push her away from you (normal defensive response). But when you push her away she trips and falls. Believe me, this is not unusual. > > Anyway, guess who's gonna spend tens of thousands and and have their life turned upside down for years in civil litigation, EVEN AFTER THE POLICE SAY THERE'S NO CRIME COMMITTED ON YOUR PART AND/OR IF THEY CHARGE HER WITH SOMETHING. > > In conclusion, call the police, and keep calling the police each time so there's a record and something to establish a pattern of her continuing trespass. Don't confront or talk with her. > > My apologies to everyone for the long missive. > Randy > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: eddie > Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 6:29 AM > To: KLR650 list DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] NKLR Any lawyers or LEOS in the bunch? > > Any lawyers or LEOs in the bunch? > > I have a small problem with a woman from down the block walking her dog in our yard. > Not the front yard along side the city sidewalk, either. She's come up the driveway and > into the backyard area behind the house that I rent. I tried explaining to her that it's private > property. Her excuse is since I don't own the place, it's okay for her to come onto the premises. > According to Georgia Code, Crimes And offenses Title 16, section 16-17-21, it's not okay. > I tried to explain to her that as a "rightful occupant", she is indeed trespassing after she has been > advised not to come here - both directly by me and the Private Property/No Trespassing sign. > She wouldn't hear it and challenged me to call the police, which I did. She left immediately > and I looked like a goof when two units arrived and I had to tell them the story. > > Their instructions were to not speak to her if she comes back and to just call 911 again > and they would send someone out to talk to her. Trouble is, she'll be gone again by the time they get here. > She hasn't threatened me or anything(yet). But, from her words and attitude, I don't think she's entirely stable. > "She's right and I'm wrong for not allowing her to come into my yard to walk the dog." > Never mind we live Sigh. > I share the yard with the other tenants of this house + 8 more neighbors in adjoining apartments. > I've spoken with them and they agre > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[James W. Flower]

I'm a lawyer in California. In this state, you and the other legit users of the yard could get a civil restraining order against her, which gives the police more authority to arrest if she violates it. In Cal you'd have the legal right to make a citizen's arrest and hold her until the cops come, but as others have pointed out, self-help can go drastically wrong. I dunno... shoot the dog? Follow her home and take a shit on her lawn? (JK, JK, JK!)

[Mike Huber]

I think I'de just wait till she shows up on the lawn and turn the water spinklers on her !!!! Mike Huber Carlsbad, NM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: jwflower53@... Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:19:20 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Any lawyers or LEOS in the bunch? I'm a lawyer in California. In this state, you and the other legit users of the yard could get a civil restraining order against her, which gives the police more authority to arrest if she violates it. In Cal you'd have the legal right to make a citizen's arrest and hold her until the cops come, but as others have pointed out, self-help can go drastically wrong. I dunno... shoot the dog? Follow her home and take a shit on her lawn? (JK, JK, JK!) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

I like the shit on her lawn idea. Very creative! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/17/2012 12:19 PM, James W. Flower wrote: > > I'm a lawyer in California. In this state, you and the other legit > users of the yard could get a civil restraining order against her, > which gives the police more authority to arrest if she violates it. In > Cal you'd have the legal right to make a citizen's arrest and hold her > until the cops come, but as others have pointed out, self-help can go > drastically wrong. > I dunno... shoot the dog? Follow her home and take a shit on her lawn? > (JK, JK, JK!) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

BRILLIANT! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/17/2012 1:53 PM, Mike Huber wrote: > I think I'de just wait till she shows up on the lawn and turn the water spinklers on her !!!! > > Mike Huber > Carlsbad, NM > > > > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > From: jwflower53@... > Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 12:19:20 -0700 > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Any lawyers or LEOS in the bunch? > > > > > > I'm a lawyer in California. In this state, you and the other legit users of the yard could get a civil restraining order against her, which gives the police more authority to arrest if she violates it. In Cal you'd have the legal right to make a citizen's arrest and hold her until the cops come, but as others have pointed out, self-help can go drastically wrong. > I dunno... shoot the dog? Follow her home and take a shit on her lawn? (JK, JK, JK!) > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com > Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map > Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote:

> > I think she is intentionally trying to provoke you to do something stupid. Some live for this kind of situation. > > Criswell

There is absolutely no telling what is going on in folks' mind as dementia and Alzheimer's takes over.... One scenario is that this woman has walked her dog in this location before there were ever apartments; she might have even OWNED the property at one time. One [small] community story: a family is sleeping in the upstairs of their new to them home; not far from the nursing home. They hear rattling around in the kitchen...wife looks at husband, husband looks at wife, and they tip toe down the stairs to the kitchen. Who is it? The former owner of the home, and by golly, she is going to fix breakfast for her family! Trouble in paradise, she turns to them and asks, "Where is the skillet? I can't seem to find anything in MY kitchen." She had walked out of the nursing home and went 'home' entering through the same unlocked back door she has used for 30+ years, entering a domain most familiar in a memory that no longer framed by reality. I just wonder if this lady is experiencing some of the same things. Or, She could just be a crank. In that case, She falls into that general medical diagnosis most of you will recognize: 'wacked'. If she is wacked, I would listen to the LEO's or the Sagitarius; if you are into that sort of thing. revmaaatin.

[Eddie]

Thanks for the responses on/off list. The lady with the dog is 40. So, she's not suffering from anything understandable. I called the property management office Friday and spoke with a receptionist. The folks I need to inform were away and won't be back until this morning. I also talked to the grounds keeper/handyman and he's seen the woman walking her dog on other property of theirs that he oversees, too. He was told him what the police have advised me to do: Don't approach or talk to her. Just call 911 and let them handle it. I have no intention of speaking to this woman again. Ever. eddie