any older klr riders here

[Robert Waters]

Not long ago, I put a new tire on the back of my KLR. Took a road trip and had a flat. Friend, with much experience, fixed it on the trail but it went flat--pinched tube. Got to camp and fixed it again with patch. Held up for a few days, but then it was flat all the sudden. Aired it up, it stayed up for a few days and was flat all the sudden. Repeated this for several days, then took the tire off and checked the tube. Aired it up big as a football and left it up over night. No leaks. 0 Put it back in and it stayed up for days, then it was flat again--all at once. Ordered two new tubes. Pulled the tire off, ran my hand all around the inside the tire and put new tube in. Aired it up and submersed in water to check for leaks with bubble soap. NONE. Several days pass with no signs of leaks--kick tire and it is hard. This morning, I go outside and my bike is laying on its side. Did a deer knock it over? No. It has another &^%#$ flat and fell over. I have had it with that tire. It is jenxed. Or is someone letting the air out? That is the only thing that makes sense, but it all started with that one tire and two flats in one day. I have had more flats on that tire than all the rest put together. It does not go down slow. I kick the tire from time to time and it is fully inflated. Then, all of a sudden, in the morning when I go to get on it it is completely flat. The only positive thing about all this is that I'm getting good at fixing flats on the rear. Or am I really fixing them? Hum. Shrinko's are on sale for $29. I think I will order one and throw that other one away, even though it probably does not have 1000 miles on it. Anyone have any explanation or advice on what to do--kind of tire etc. I'm considering going tubeless with a Avon Gripster, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure I trust the procedure to make it work. 2007 KLR 650 21K Huntsville, AR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

Robert, Is the bike in a secure location? Pretty positive there is no one messing with you? Sophomoric trick to let the air out of your tires x many days. It sounds to me like an intermittent valve core. How does that happen? I have no clue; but I would start by replacing the valve core. I recently had a valve core that would not reseat smoothly after applying air or checking pressure. One of our friends that post here told stories that he would sneak out of the Army barracks and squirt or pour oil under Harly's and it made the riders nuts trying to figure out where the leak was coming from. (Job 16vs2) "I have heard of such things; miserable comforter are you all." NRSV. Do you have such comforters? revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > > > > > > Not long ago, I put a new tire on the back of my KLR. Took a road trip and had a flat. Friend, with much experience, fixed it on the trail but it went flat--pinched tube. Got to camp and fixed it again with patch. Held up for a few days, but then it was flat all the sudden. Aired it up, it stayed up for a few days and was flat all the sudden. Repeated this for several days, then took the tire off and checked the tube. Aired it up big as a football and left it up over night. No leaks. 0 Put it back in and it stayed up for days, then it was flat again--all at once. Ordered two new tubes. Pulled the tire off, ran my hand all around the inside the tire and put new tube in. Aired it up and submersed in water to check for leaks with bubble soap. NONE. Several days pass with no signs of leaks--kick tire and it is hard. This morning, I go outside and my bike is laying on its side. Did a deer knock it over? No. It has another &^%#$ > flat and fell over. I have had it with that tire. It is jenxed. Or is someone letting the air out? That is the only thing that makes sense, but it all started with that one tire and two flats in one day. I have had more flats on that tire than all the rest put together. It does not go down slow. I kick the tire from time to time and it is fully inflated. Then, all of a sudden, in the morning when I go to get on it it is completely flat. The only positive thing about all this is that I'm getting good at fixing flats on the rear. Or am I really fixing them? Hum. > > Shrinko's are on sale for $29. I think I will order one and throw that other one away, even though it probably does not have 1000 miles on it. Anyone have any explanation or advice on what to do--kind of tire etc. I'm considering going tubeless with a Avon Gripster, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure I trust the procedure to make it work. > > 2007 KLR 650 21K > Huntsville, AR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Robert Waters]

Hello Rev, Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. It is a: SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to warm up. Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire is jenxed. rw Robert, Is the bike in a secure location? Pretty positive there is no one messing with you? Sophomoric trick to let the air out of your tires x many days. It sounds to me like an intermittent valve core. How does that happen? I have no clue; but I would start by replacing the valve core. I recently had a valve core that would not reseat smoothly after applying air or checking pressure. One of our friends that post here told stories that he would sneak out of the Army barracks and squirt or pour oil under Harly's and it made the riders nuts trying to figure out where the leak was coming from. (Job 16vs2) "I have heard of such things; miserable comforter are you all." NRSV. Do you have such comforters? revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > > > > > > Not long ago, I put a new tire on the back of my KLR. Took a road trip and had a flat. Friend, with much experience, fixed it on the trail but it went flat--pinched tube. Got to camp and fixed it again with patch. Held up for a few days, but then it was flat all the sudden. Aired it up, it stayed up for a few days and was flat all the sudden. Repeated this for several days, then took the tire off and checked the tube. Aired it up big as a football and left it up over night. No leaks. 0 Put it back in and it stayed up for days, then it was flat again--all at once. Ordered two new tubes. Pulled the tire off, ran my hand all around the inside the tire and put new tube in. Aired it up and submersed in water to check for leaks with bubble soap. NONE. Several days pass with no signs of leaks--kick tire and it is hard. This morning, I go outside and my bike is laying on its side. Did a deer knock it over? No. It has another &^%#$ > flat and fell over. I have had it with that tire. It is jenxed. Or is someone letting the air out? That is the only thing that makes sense, but it all started with that one tire and two flats in one day. I have had more flats on that tire than all the rest put together. It does not go down slow. I kick the tire from time to time and it is fully inflated. Then, all of a sudden, in the morning when I go to get on it it is completely flat. The only positive thing about all this is that I'm getting good at fixing flats on the rear. Or am I really fixing them? Hum. > > Shrinko's are on sale for $29. I think I will order one and throw that other one away, even though it probably does not have 1000 miles on it. Anyone have any explanation or advice on what to do--kind of tire etc. I'm considering going tubeless with a Avon Gripster, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure I trust the procedure to make it work. > > 2007 KLR 650 21K > Huntsville, AR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Huber]

Robert....Lemme tell you my recipe for flat free tires.....I live in New Mexico and you can't go anywhere off road without running over something that will puncture a regular tube.....Mesquite, Lechugilla, Cholla, We got em all down here.... I've switched over to heavy duty tubes on Fred's recomendation and then I add about 7 oz. of ATV Slime....The ATV Slime has bigger chunks of rubber to plug the hole..... I've ridden on tires with mesquite thorns in them with no loss of air.....When I get home after a off road trip I'll pull out several thorns out of the tire and it still won't lose air...If it does then it's time to change out the tube because i've probably run over something bigger than a thorn !!! I've gone through 4 tires before changing out one HD tube....Then I'll throw it into my spares box in case someoune else needs a tube..... It's a little trickier to get them mounted and balanced but I seem to get them close enough to ride the highway at 70mph without any vibration.....the Slime will help balance the tire after it works it's way around the tube....It's rare when I can pinch a hole in it when mounting it . I'm beginning to think the only reason I carry a compressor and tire irons is to help my other buddys when they get a flat....I can't remember the last time I had a puncture flat out on the trail.....Knock on WOOD !!!! Mike Huber Carlsbad, NM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com CC: mjearl4@... From: robertwaters@... Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:47:29 -0700 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Still having flats on the back tire Hello Rev, Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. It is a: SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to warm up. Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire is jenxed. rw Robert, Is the bike in a secure location? Pretty positive there is no one messing with you? Sophomoric trick to let the air out of your tires x many days. It sounds to me like an intermittent valve core. How does that happen? I have no clue; but I would start by replacing the valve core. I recently had a valve core that would not reseat smoothly after applying air or checking pressure. One of our friends that post here told stories that he would sneak out of the Army barracks and squirt or pour oil under Harly's and it made the riders nuts trying to figure out where the leak was coming from. (Job 16vs2) "I have heard of such things; miserable comforter are you all." NRSV. Do you have such comforters? revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > > > > > > Not long ago, I put a new tire on the back of my KLR. Took a road trip and had a flat. Friend, with much experience, fixed it on the trail but it went flat--pinched tube. Got to camp and fixed it again with patch. Held up for a few days, but then it was flat all the sudden. Aired it up, it stayed up for a few days and was flat all the sudden. Repeated this for several days, then took the tire off and checked the tube. Aired it up big as a football and left it up over night. No leaks. 0 Put it back in and it stayed up for days, then it was flat again--all at once. Ordered two new tubes. Pulled the tire off, ran my hand all around the inside the tire and put new tube in. Aired it up and submersed in water to check for leaks with bubble soap. NONE. Several days pass with no signs of leaks--kick tire and it is hard. This morning, I go outside and my bike is laying on its side. Did a deer knock it over? No. It has another &^%#$ > flat and fell over. I have had it with that tire. It is jenxed. Or is someone letting the air out? That is the only thing that makes sense, but it all started with that one tire and two flats in one day. I have had more flats on that tire than all the rest put together. It does not go down slow. I kick the tire from time to time and it is fully inflated. Then, all of a sudden, in the morning when I go to get on it it is completely flat. The only positive thing about all this is that I'm getting good at fixing flats on the rear. Or am I really fixing them? Hum. > > Shrinko's are on sale for $29. I think I will order one and throw that other one away, even though it probably does not have 1000 miles on it. Anyone have any explanation or advice on what to do--kind of tire etc. I'm considering going tubeless with a Avon Gripster, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure I trust the procedure to make it work. > > 2007 KLR 650 21K > Huntsville, AR [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

Robert, Is it a tire issue or is it a tube issue? I have trouble understanding why it is the tire's 'fault'. Just curious, did you talc the tube each time it was installed? revmaaatin. who hates flats.... ps. did you know that if your 'cheepo' cig.ligter powered air pump draws 12a+ that it will blow your 10a fuse? AND it will blow the 10a fuse on your buddies bike as well. Course you have to know that it is drawing more than 10a before you use it.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > Hello Rev, > Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. It is a: > SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to warm up. > Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire is jenxed. > rw > > Robert, > Is the bike in a secure location? > Pretty positive there is no one messing with you? > Sophomoric trick to let the air out of your tires x many days. > It sounds to me like an intermittent valve core. > How does that happen? I have no clue; but I would start by replacing the valve core. > I recently had a valve core that would not reseat smoothly after applying air or checking pressure. > One of our friends that post here told stories that he would sneak out of the Army barracks and squirt or pour oil under Harly's and it made the riders nuts trying to figure out where the leak was coming from. > (Job 16vs2) "I have heard of such things; miserable comforter are you all." NRSV. > Do you have such comforters? > revmaaatin. > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not long ago, I put a new tire on the back of my KLR. Took a road trip and had a flat. Friend, with much experience, fixed it on the trail but it went flat--pinched tube. Got to camp and fixed it again with patch. Held up for a few days, but then it was flat all the sudden. Aired it up, it stayed up for a few days and was flat all the sudden. Repeated this for several days, then took the tire off and checked the tube. Aired it up big as a football and left it up over night. No leaks. 0 Put it back in and it stayed up for days, then it was flat again--all at once. Ordered two new tubes. Pulled the tire off, ran my hand all around the inside the tire and put new tube in. Aired it up and submersed in water to check for leaks with bubble soap. NONE. Several days pass with no signs of leaks--kick tire and it is hard. This morning, I go outside and my bike is laying on its side. Did a deer knock it over? No. It has another &^%#$ > > flat and fell over. I have had it with that tire. It is jenxed. Or is someone letting the air out? That is the only thing that makes sense, but it all started with that one tire and two flats in one day. I have had more flats on that tire than all the rest put together. It does not go down slow. I kick the tire from time to time and it is fully inflated. Then, all of a sudden, in the morning when I go to get on it it is completely flat. The only positive thing about all this is that I'm getting good at fixing flats on the rear. Or am I really fixing them? Hum. > > > > Shrinko's are on sale for $29. I think I will order one and throw that other one away, even though it probably does not have 1000 miles on it. Anyone have any explanation or advice on what to do--kind of tire etc. I'm considering going tubeless with a Avon Gripster, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure I trust the procedure to make it work. > > > > 2007 KLR 650 21K > > Huntsville, AR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jud]

1. A sharp spot on the tire? 2. Ditto the rim? 3. Something in your technique or tools? 4. Where does it leak after patching? A new puncture or are the patches failing? Does the puncture occur in the same place relative to the rim each time? Ditto the tire? What are you using for tire levers? Are you using talc on the tube and the rim? I know this can be maddening. I have a bicycle that is doing the same thing, compounded by the fact that it has a full chaincase and is a five-speed Sturmey conversion, meaning it is a pain to pull the wheel, plus there are two cables to readjust each time.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > Hello Rev, > Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. It is a: > SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to warm up. > Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire is jenxed. > rw > > Robert, > Is the bike in a secure location? > Pretty positive there is no one messing with you? > Sophomoric trick to let the air out of your tires x many days. > It sounds to me like an intermittent valve core. > How does that happen? I have no clue; but I would start by replacing the valve core. > I recently had a valve core that would not reseat smoothly after applying air or checking pressure. > One of our friends that post here told stories that he would sneak out of the Army barracks and squirt or pour oil under Harly's and it made the riders nuts trying to figure out where the leak was coming from. > (Job 16vs2) "I have heard of such things; miserable comforter are you all." NRSV. > Do you have such comforters? > revmaaatin. > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not long ago, I put a new tire on the back of my KLR. Took a road trip and had a flat. Friend, with much experience, fixed it on the trail but it went flat--pinched tube. Got to camp and fixed it again with patch. Held up for a few days, but then it was flat all the sudden. Aired it up, it stayed up for a few days and was flat all the sudden. Repeated this for several days, then took the tire off and checked the tube. Aired it up big as a football and left it up over night. No leaks. 0 Put it back in and it stayed up for days, then it was flat again--all at once. Ordered two new tubes. Pulled the tire off, ran my hand all around the inside the tire and put new tube in. Aired it up and submersed in water to check for leaks with bubble soap. NONE. Several days pass with no signs of leaks--kick tire and it is hard. This morning, I go outside and my bike is laying on its side. Did a deer knock it over? No. It has another &^%#$ > > flat and fell over. I have had it with that tire. It is jenxed. Or is someone letting the air out? That is the only thing that makes sense, but it all started with that one tire and two flats in one day. I have had more flats on that tire than all the rest put together. It does not go down slow. I kick the tire from time to time and it is fully inflated. Then, all of a sudden, in the morning when I go to get on it it is completely flat. The only positive thing about all this is that I'm getting good at fixing flats on the rear. Or am I really fixing them? Hum. > > > > Shrinko's are on sale for $29. I think I will order one and throw that other one away, even though it probably does not have 1000 miles on it. Anyone have any explanation or advice on what to do--kind of tire etc. I'm considering going tubeless with a Avon Gripster, but they are very expensive and I'm not sure I trust the procedure to make it work. > > > > 2007 KLR 650 21K > > Huntsville, AR > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Robert Waters]

Jud, The first flat had a nail in it. I was not the one that fixed it but was there helping. It was patched and the patch held. The tube was pinched and so there was another flat immediately. It was fixed with a patch and it held. But after a few days it started going flat--all at once. I'd air it up and it would keep doing the same thing. I pulled the tube and could not find any leaks. I even aired the tube up to the size of a foot ball and it stayed up all night. PUt the tube back in and it went flat again. I decided to put a new tube in it and did. Worked fine for a few days but went flat again and will not hold air for more than a few minutes. Have not pulled it yet to see what the problem is. I have not used powder. The last tube was a 17 but smaller size so it could not have lapped. I used tire tools and did not pinch the tube. I have used slime before, when having problems with slow leaks and may go back to that. I'm tired of having flats. The last tube was not extra heavy duty. I have bought heavy duty tubes to stop the slow leaks, but was not satisfied and at more than twice the price one has to wonder if they are worth it. Re: Still having flats on the back tire Posted by: "Jud" judjonzz@... judjonzz Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:51 am (PDT) 1. A sharp spot on the tire? 2. Ditto the rim? 3. Something in your technique or tools? 4. Where does it leak after patching? A new puncture or are the patches failing? Does the puncture occur in the same place relative to the rim each time? Ditto the tire? What are you using for tire levers? Are you using talc on the tube and the rim? I know this can be maddening. I have a bicycle that is doing the same thing, compounded by the fact that it has a full chaincase and is a five-speed Sturmey conversion, meaning it is a pain to pull the wheel, plus there are two cables to readjust each time.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters wrote: > > Hello Rev, > Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. It is a: > SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to warm up. > Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire is jenxed. > rw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

If you've ever slid under a guard rail at 80 mph, you'll understand they ARE worth every penny. The Bridgestone UHD tube is the best, and is almost a tire in itself. Even the lesser Moose/MSR HD tubes are tough. I once ran 150 miles on a trashed Dunlop D606 with an 1cm diameter exposed section of innertube on the Trans-Labrador Hwy without a leak. Mark At 4:42 AM -0700 6/14/12, Robert Waters wrote: The last tube was not extra heavy duty. I have bought heavy duty tubes to stop the slow leaks, but was not satisfied and at more than twice the price one has to wonder if they are worth it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Stephen North]

You have to have something embedded in the tire you haven't found. Run your hands very carefully around the inside of the tire. There HAS to be something sharp ( and tiny) embedded there. That's the only explanation possible (short of someone screwing with you) Stitches Afloat LLC 4580 Harbor Road Shelburne Vermont 05482 802-985-9547 www.stitchesafloat.com stitchesafloat@...

[RobertWichert]

It is "possible" for the valve extension rubber to have a "crack" at the base that will not leak unless flexed by something, like riding. Possible. It is also "possible" that the wheel causes these cracks. A sharp spot at this point could be the problem. Could be. YMMV Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/14/2012 4:42 AM, Robert Waters wrote: > > Jud, > The first flat had a nail in it. I was not the one that fixed it but > was there helping. It was patched and the patch held. The tube was > pinched and so there was another flat immediately. It was fixed with a > patch and it held. But after a few days it started going flat--all at > once. I'd air it up and it would keep doing the same thing. I pulled > the tube and could not find any leaks. I even aired the tube up to > the size of a foot ball and it stayed up all night. PUt the tube back > in and it went flat again. I decided to put a new tube in it and > did. Worked fine for a few days but went flat again and will not hold > air for more than a few minutes. Have not pulled it yet to see what > the problem is. I have not used powder. The last tube was a 17 but > smaller size so it could not have lapped. I used tire tools and did > not pinch the tube. I have used slime before, when having problems > with slow leaks and may go back to that. I'm tired > of having flats. > > The last tube was not extra heavy duty. I have bought heavy duty > tubes to stop the slow leaks, but was not satisfied and at more than > twice the price one has to wonder if they are worth it. > > Re: Still having flats on the back tire > Posted by: "Jud" judjonzz@... judjonzz > Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:51 am (PDT) > 1. A sharp spot on the tire? > 2. Ditto the rim? > 3. Something in your technique or tools? > 4. Where does it leak after patching? A new puncture or are the > patches failing? > > Does the puncture occur in the same place relative to the rim each > time? Ditto the tire? > What are you using for tire levers? > Are you using talc on the tube and the rim? > > I know this can be maddening. I have a bicycle that is doing the same > thing, compounded by the fact that it has a full chaincase and is a > five-speed Sturmey conversion, meaning it is a pain to pull the wheel, > plus there are two cables to readjust each time. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Robert Waters > wrote: > > > > Hello Rev, > > Actually, I have had about 5 flats (that were not just aired up but > "fixed") now on that one tire (practically new) and I'm on the 3rd > tube. Most of the times when it has gone flat (numerous and I just > aired it up) it was not in a secure place, but we don't have many > neighbors not anyone that would be suspect to pull tricks like that. > Besides, my firt two flats and my next to the last one was while I was > on it, or at least had just gotten off for a few minutes but when I > got back on to take off it was flat as it could be. This time I got > it back home and put a new tube in it. It held up for about 4 days > with no sign of a leak. Then, this morning it was so flat the bike > fell over. And, when I add air it has such a hole in it that it will > not stay up but about 5 minutes. I will NEVER buy another tire of > that brand. I have a new tire and tube from Bikebandit on the way. > It is a: > > SHINKO 5.10-17 which cost me $49.46 and they say it has shipped. > So, guess I'll have to ride the DR-350 for a couple more days. > Unfortunately, it is jetted for high elevation and is very slow to > warm up. > > Thanks for the thoughts but I have no clue other than that the tire > is jenxed. > > rw > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]