oil caps

[Jeff Saline]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Jeff Khoury writes: SNIP

> Regarless, I agree with you that his harness probably fried because > of a grounded wire somewhere.

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> I saw four pictures Luc sent me off list. I'll suggest the main wiring harness caught on fire from flames not associated with the main wiring harness, i.e. the jumper wires caught on fire and the fire spread. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ Fast, Secure, NetZero 4G Mobile Broadband. Try it. http://www.netzero.net/?refcd=NZINTISP0512T4GOUT2

[RobertWichert]

If you want to be really really really really sure, you can use the car battery, disconnected from the car. There is no car battery that I know of that will exceed 14 V. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/10/2012 10:19 PM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > Whatever you say, my friend. > > I won't get in a dueling recitement of qualifications with you, but I > will tell you I've replaced dozens of Reg/Recs that popped after jump > starting off a running car. If the car's charge voltage is slightly > higher than the 13.8v charging spec and the motorcycle's tries to > regulate it down, it will blow... guaranteed. > > Your scenario probably worked fine. As long as the key wasn't on the > Reg/Rec was not connected anyway and wouldn't be in parallel with the > car's charging system. > > Regarless, I agree with you that his harness probably fried because of > a grounded wire somewhere. > > -Jeff Khoury > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Nasca" > > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 5:41:28 AM > Subject: RE: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! > > While the KLR is a motorcycle that burns off the excess power, and most > small displacement motorcycles are similar. This was obviously not what > happened here. Wiring harness fried. Most likely cause the short that > killed > the battery fried the rest of the harness when more power was applied. > Which > might have happened using a vehicle with a stopped engine. Battery pushes > what probably around 3-400 CCA. Alternator somewhere below a hundred? > > Wall of text, minor rant to follow. > > Most motorcycles don't have that style charging system anymore. It > wasn't for my '78 Motto Guzzi V-1000 Convert. Certainly wasn't for the > Kawasaki Concours. Jumping with a running car isn't an issue on them. My > sisters BMW with a 60 amp alternator it isn't true either. Charging > voltage > is set by the voltage applied to the alternator slip rings to control > rotating magnetic field strength. No excess power to burn off. (Much > "greener" solution but that isn't why they did it, allowed more power > to be > generated. ) > > Yes, this is a pet peeve of mine. I couldn't get someone to jump that > Motto Guzzi when I needed it they were all afraid they would damage it. > Because, "Everybody told them so." The thing was a semi automatic so push > starting was right out. > > All that said. I have jump started the KLR off a running 2001 S-10. > (little cables, 12 gauge wire I made myself charge for a minute then push > the button started right up) I left something connected so the 2008 > ignition > system didn't have the power to fire the ignition (I r stupid). Neat > thing > about voltmeters if the applied voltage is less than the regulator's > setting > nothing happens. If the jumping vehicle voltage is less than 14 you are > pretty safe. > > With a dead battery if the voltage is outside the KLR's operating range > the battery is toast as it _should_ be sucking down quite a bit of that > current(reducing the voltage). If the voltage at the bike is over 13.5 > either the battery is toast or you have a bad connection somewhere > depending > on where you are charging from. > > Would I jump it using auto jumper cables with a running auto? Not a > chance. Murphy will get you if you let him. > > The US Navy let play with electrical and electronic systems for 20 or so > years. You _don't_ want to see what happens when 300 volts DC shorts in a > multi layer bus bar. > > Enjoy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > ] On > Behalf Of Jeff Khoury > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 1:33 AM > To: Jeff Saline > Cc: DSN KLR650; zrislois2klr@... > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! > > Usually if you jump a bike with a car that's running, the most likely > blown > component is the Regulator/Rectifier. > > Motorcycles work differently than cars, and a motorcycle Reg/Rec > "burns off" > excess voltage by shunting it through resistors to ground. Unfortunately > they don't have enough capacity to shunt the output of a car > alternator and > they fry almost immediately. > > As (the other) Jeff said, it's OK to jump them, just don't run the car > while > you're doing it. > > I would start the repair by replacing the Reg/Rec and see where it > goes from > there. If you let the magic smoke out of that it's definitely gone. I > give > that about an 80% chance of fixing it alone, but there may be other > smoked > wiring. > > Good luck and may the Schwartz be with you. > > -Jeff Khoury > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[k650@verizon.net]

Never heard of a 16 Volt Battery? Walt -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of RobertWichert Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 14:31 To: Jeff Khoury Cc: Mike Nasca; DSN KLR650 Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! If you want to be really really really really sure, you can use the car battery, disconnected from the car. There is no car battery that I know of that will exceed 14 V. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068

[RobertWichert]

Uh, well, I've heard of a 48 volt battery, but not on a car. Have you seen a 16 volt battery on a car? Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/11/2012 11:47 AM, k650@... wrote: > > Never heard of a 16 Volt Battery? > > Walt > > -----Original Message----- > From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > ] On > Behalf Of RobertWichert > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2012 14:31 > To: Jeff Khoury > Cc: Mike Nasca; DSN KLR650 > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Fire !! Fire !!! > > If you want to be really really really really sure, you can use the car > battery, disconnected from the car. > > There is no car battery that I know of that will exceed 14 V. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eddie]

I've tried a few different ways to secure an oil filler cap. The most basic is to safety wire it to a nearby clutch cover bolt. That works great on a bike that doesn't require oil top-offs between changes. Another method was taking a metal, two-part keyring clasp and wiring one half to the cap and the other to a nearby hard point (clutch arm mount,etc...) The keychain part I'm referring to is the kind where you push in on one half and a pin-lock like device releases the other half. Currently, I have something a tad more fiddly. I drilled a hole in one end of the KLR's oil cap "fin". Through it is an aluminum clevice pin from a backpack that I cut down. The clevice is stuck through a tight loop of safety wire attached to my clutch cable adjuster. The slender end goes through the cap and a small rubber faucet washer just barely enough I can slide a tiny hitch pin through a hole in the clevice. The wired part is such that it holds the oil cap just to where it's barely tight. It cannot back out, though. To add oil, I simply pull the hitch pin and extract the clevice. Together again, the rubber washer keeps the hitch pin from rattling around. eddie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]