a wired vibration? any guess???

[SniperOne]

Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original Message----- From: Ron Haraseth Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:47 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? Sounds exactly what I encountered last early fall. Patched a front tube out in the middle of nowhere and then a few weeks later even farther out nowhere, the tire kept going down, but not in a consistent manner. Had a new HD tube to pop in this time and found the patch had let go. I hear the new tubes do not take patches well like those of old. I now ALWAYS care a pair of new tubes, but keep a patch kit for further backup. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Waters Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:28 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? I had a flat on the trail a few weeks ago. Put two patches on the tube. After several days I go out to my bike and it is flat. I air it up. It stays up for a few more days and shows no sign of getting low, but then I go to get on it and it is completely flat. I air it up and it does the same thing again after a few days. I'm nearly 60 years old and have never seen this happen. Could it be the patch holding at "high pressure" but when it leaks off slowly and gets down to a certain pressure it then goes flat? [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mark ward]

The fire was tp SPEED UP DRYING, but not needed. I think what IS STILL NEEDED But not used is clamping/ added Pressure. Just about everything glued, says ADD PRESURE, CLAMP ETC., at least for a few minutes. Even Laminated counter tops, you ROLL PRESSURE them down. TO OFTEN I have seen Patchs put on like tape, put on rub down real fast walk away. PATCHS USE A GLUE, IT NEEDS TIME TO DRY.

--- On Wed, 5/9/12, SniperOne wrote: From: SniperOne Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? - Patches To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 5:27 PM Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original Message----- From: Ron Haraseth Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:47 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? Sounds exactly what I encountered last early fall. Patched a front tube out in the middle of nowhere and then a few weeks later even farther out nowhere, the tire kept going down, but not in a consistent manner. Had a new HD tube to pop in this time and found the patch had let go. I hear the new tubes do not take patches well like those of old. I now ALWAYS care a pair of new tubes, but keep a patch kit for further backup. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Waters Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:28 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? I had a flat on the trail a few weeks ago. Put two patches on the tube. After several days I go out to my bike and it is flat. I air it up. It stays up for a few more days and shows no sign of getting low, but then I go to get on it and it is completely flat. I air it up and it does the same thing again after a few days. I'm nearly 60 years old and have never seen this happen. Could it be the patch holding at "high pressure" but when it leaks off slowly and gets down to a certain pressure it then goes flat? [The entire original message is not included] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Wed, 9 May 2012 11:27:23 -0600 SniperOne writes:

> Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that > you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal > cup on the back of the patch? > > I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn > bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. > > If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? > > Randy

<><><><><><> <><><><><><> Randy, Those were vulcanizing patches. I used them a lot in the Army back in the 70s. When I was in the Air Force (80-01) we never used them. I did see the clamping apparatus once but I think I was the only one that knew how to use it. Maybe check with NAPA or a truck stop and see if they can get the patches. I don't think they are any better than other easy to get/find patches if the preparation is good and the patches and glue aren't old. Make sure you use a stitcher or smooth handled object to stitch the patch in place. That will make a huge difference in results. You can get a stitcher at NAPA for around $5. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4faac582c1c9bfeae98st04vuc

[Jud]

Not only do I remember them, those are the only patches that ever worked consistently well for me. A few years ago, I went searching for them on the internet, and I seem to recall that Flanders listed them in their catalog. Whether they were out, NLA, or I just failed to order in a supply as I should have, I don't recall. Flanders is a really cool old motorsickle supply house, but their product line has thinned down woefuly in recent years, if indeed they are still in bidness.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, SniperOne wrote: > > Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? > > I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. > > If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? > > Randy > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Haraseth > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:47 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > > Sounds exactly what I encountered last early fall. Patched a front tube out > in the middle of nowhere and then a few weeks later even farther out > nowhere, the tire kept going down, but not in a consistent manner. Had a > new HD tube to pop in this time and found the patch had let go. I hear the > new tubes do not take patches well like those of old. I now ALWAYS care a > pair of new tubes, but keep a patch kit for further backup. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Waters > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:28 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > I had a flat on the trail a few weeks ago. Put two patches on the tube. > After several days I go out to my bike and it is flat. I air it up. It > stays up for a few more days and shows no sign of getting low, but then I go > to get on it and it is completely flat. I air it up and it does the same > thing again after a few days. I'm nearly 60 years old and have never seen > this happen. Could it be the patch holding at "high pressure" but when it > leaks off slowly and gets down to a certain pressure it then goes flat? > > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Fred Hink]

The Flanders Company is still in business. http://www.flandersco.com/ In fact about 6 or 8 years ago, Mr. John Flanders stopped into my shop to buy a battery for his Suzuki DR350. He was on the way to Sturgis to sell a bunch of handlebars. John noticed a wooden creeper seat in my shop that I was given by my boss in the Honda Kawasaki dealership I worked at around 1970. John wanted to know where I had gotten that creeper seat since they were only made a very few years. I had John sign my Flanders creeper seat. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Jud Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:47 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Low Pressure Leak? - Patches Not only do I remember them, those are the only patches that ever worked consistently well for me. A few years ago, I went searching for them on the internet, and I seem to recall that Flanders listed them in their catalog. Whether they were out, NLA, or I just failed to order in a supply as I should have, I don't recall. Flanders is a really cool old motorsickle supply house, but their product line has thinned down woefuly in recent years, if indeed they are still in bidness.

--- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, SniperOne wrote: > > Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? > > I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. > > If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? > > Randy > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Haraseth > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:47 AM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > > Sounds exactly what I encountered last early fall. Patched a front tube out > in the middle of nowhere and then a few weeks later even farther out > nowhere, the tire kept going down, but not in a consistent manner. Had a > new HD tube to pop in this time and found the patch had let go. I hear the > new tubes do not take patches well like those of old. I now ALWAYS care a > pair of new tubes, but keep a patch kit for further backup. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Waters > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:28 AM > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > I had a flat on the trail a few weeks ago. Put two patches on the tube. > After several days I go out to my bike and it is flat. I air it up. It > stays up for a few more days and shows no sign of getting low, but then I go > to get on it and it is completely flat. I air it up and it does the same > thing again after a few days. I'm nearly 60 years old and have never seen > this happen. Could it be the patch holding at "high pressure" but when it > leaks off slowly and gets down to a certain pressure it then goes flat? > > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

I guess my recollection is faulty, because they have a lot of stuff listed. I can't tell you if they still have the hot patches, because the PDF would not download completely for me, but there is one place to look.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > The Flanders Company is still in business. http://www.flandersco.com/ In fact about 6 or 8 years ago, Mr. John Flanders stopped into my shop to buy a battery for his Suzuki DR350. He was on the way to Sturgis to sell a bunch of handlebars. John noticed a wooden creeper seat in my shop that I was given by my boss in the Honda Kawasaki dealership I worked at around 1970. John wanted to know where I had gotten that creeper seat since they were only made a very few years. I had John sign my Flanders creeper seat. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > From: Jud > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:47 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Low Pressure Leak? - Patches > > > Not only do I remember them, those are the only patches that ever worked consistently well for me. A few years ago, I went searching for them on the internet, and I seem to recall that Flanders listed them in their catalog. Whether they were out, NLA, or I just failed to order in a supply as I should have, I don't recall. Flanders is a really cool old motorsickle supply house, but their product line has thinned down woefuly in recent years, if indeed they are still in bidness. > > --- In mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, SniperOne wrote: > > > > Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? > > > > I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. > > > > If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? > > > > Randy > > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron Haraseth > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:47 AM > > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > > > > > Sounds exactly what I encountered last early fall. Patched a front tube out > > in the middle of nowhere and then a few weeks later even farther out > > nowhere, the tire kept going down, but not in a consistent manner. Had a > > new HD tube to pop in this time and found the patch had let go. I hear the > > new tubes do not take patches well like those of old. I now ALWAYS care a > > pair of new tubes, but keep a patch kit for further backup. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Waters > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:28 AM > > To: mailto:DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > > > I had a flat on the trail a few weeks ago. Put two patches on the tube. > > After several days I go out to my bike and it is flat. I air it up. It > > stays up for a few more days and shows no sign of getting low, but then I go > > to get on it and it is completely flat. I air it up and it does the same > > thing again after a few days. I'm nearly 60 years old and have never seen > > this happen. Could it be the patch holding at "high pressure" but when it > > leaks off slowly and gets down to a certain pressure it then goes flat? > > > > > > > > > > [The entire original message is not included] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[ron criswell]

Why waste time with a patch? My experience, sometimes they hold, sometimes they don't. Who wants to tear the wheel down a second time because the patch didn't work? Not me. I actually have 3 tubes in my back case. Or run those new little tube thingy's that you run with tubeless tires. Criswell Sent from my iPad

On May 9, 2012, at 12:27 PM, SniperOne wrote: > Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? > > I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. > > If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? > > Randy > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Haraseth > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:47 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > Sounds exactly what I encountered last early fall. Patched a front tube out > in the middle of nowhere and then a few weeks later even farther out > nowhere, the tire kept going down, but not in a consistent manner. Had a > new HD tube to pop in this time and found the patch had let go. I hear the > new tubes do not take patches well like those of old. I now ALWAYS care a > pair of new tubes, but keep a patch kit for further backup. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Waters > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:28 AM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Low Pressure Leak? > > I had a flat on the trail a few weeks ago. Put two patches on the tube. > After several days I go out to my bike and it is flat. I air it up. It > stays up for a few more days and shows no sign of getting low, but then I go > to get on it and it is completely flat. I air it up and it does the same > thing again after a few days. I'm nearly 60 years old and have never seen > this happen. Could it be the patch holding at "high pressure" but when it > leaks off slowly and gets down to a certain pressure it then goes flat? > > [The entire original message is not included] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Robert Waters]

Randy, I remember themvery well. As a kid I thought they were way cool, yet the were hot and I did not know they would be replaced with cool. I have often wished I had some of those patches because they sure worked well and might work better on bike tubes. I happen to have two of the metal devises that you have to have to use them. Robert www.TotalHealtth.bz Low Pressure Leak? - Patches Posted by: "SniperOne" sniperone308@... sniperone308 Wed May 9, 2012 10:27 am (PDT) Speaking of patches...does anyone remember the old hot patches that you clamped to the tube and set fire to the compound in the metal cup on the back of the patch? I haven't seen those since I was a kid riding in the thorn bushes...but wow did they stay stuck to the innertubes. If they're still in production, anyone know where to get them? Randy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Greg Jewell]

I loved those fire patches but havn't seen one in twenty years. some lawyer must have sued the manufacterer for being a dumbass and burning his finger on the hot metal burn cap. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH NATURAL SELECTION. Now I use the high end racing patches for bicycles. They come in a aqua marine plastic box that Says "tops" not the brand name. Can't remember the name, dammit where's my beer. I've never had one of those fail.... gotta find more. Greg [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

The first two things that come to mind are tires and wheel bearings. No matter what the tread pattern, some tires can get som weird harmonics interacting with the road surface. Try slowing to a stop on a number of surfaces - asphalt, concrete, gravel, etc, and see if the vibration changes. Then check the wheel bearings.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddie" wrote: > > OK y'all, someone please give me a clue as to what this vibration might be? Here is the question; I recently installed Avon Distanzias, they have less than one hundred (100) miles on them. > > The last few days I noticed that when I come to a stop, we are talking walking speed, less than 5 MPH, in the last few seconds (and feet) before a stop, I get a mild vibration (more like a rumble) just as the bike comes to a stop. This vibration/rumble only happens just before a stop, I do not notice it as I accelerate. I do not notice it at speed, and can not feel it as I am slowing down, except for the last few second just before a stop? I can also feel it if I do slow S-Turns, very slowly? > > I checked the obvious, air pressure, and the tires are not rubbing anywhere. The tires seem to be true and balanced, and are wearing evenly, although the latter does not mean much considering they have less than 100 miles. > > Although the vibration/rumble seems to be in the front, a pal rode the bike and he said that it is a toss up between the vibration/rumble coming from the back? My guess is that it is in the front. > > And, it does not matter if I am applying the brakes - front or back. I can coast to a stop or be on the brakes, and I still feel the vibration/rumble just prior to a stop. > > As you might know, the Avon Distanzias do not have any knobs, they are a street tire....... so does anyone have a guess? > > Eddie M > New Orleans >