dropped socket? what's the update?

[mark ward]

Hey Do you set it to atmospheric pressure, (let air out) when the bike is setting on the kick stand, straight up, (both) and tire on the ground? OR suspend so the front tire is off the ground & fork FULLY extented? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 7 May 2012 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) mark ward writes:

> Hey > > Do you set it to atmospheric pressure, (let air out) when the bike > is setting on the kick stand, straight up, (both) and tire on the > ground? > OR suspend so the front tire is off the ground & fork FULLY > extented?

<><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Mark, I think sometimes I'm letting air out and sometimes I'm letting air in. Kind of depends on where I've been and where I'm at. : ) When I remember to do mine I'm usually on the bike and stopped. If I think it may be worthwhile I just take the cap off the valve and depress the core for a second or two. I don't think it really matters as long as the front suspension isn't drastically compressed. For those with 08 and newer KLRs... you don't have the valve from what I've been told. And I've also been told you don't have a drain on your forks either. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

[David Bowden]

No drain plug would have one bonus i can think of.. When i drained mine i set a pan under the fork and estimated how far the flow would shoot out. Well i sure was surprisef when it shot 5 past me and hit the door to my jeep like a fire hose. It was like an "i love lucy" episode with me trying to catch it.

> For those with 08 and newer KLRs... you don't have the valve from what > I've been told. And I've also been told you don't have a drain on your > forks either. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 > > . > . > > __________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 > >

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[Jeff Khoury]

No valve, and I drained mine by turning them upside down (I removed the bike first). There might be a drain but I don't remember. I was taking them off anyway. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Saline" To: nomad59@... Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 3:06:47 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Forks Air pressure? On Mon, 7 May 2012 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) mark ward < nomad59@... > writes: > Hey > > Do you set it to atmospheric pressure, (let air out) when the bike > is setting on the kick stand, straight up, (both) and tire on the > ground? > OR suspend so the front tire is off the ground & fork FULLY > extented? <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Mark, I think sometimes I'm letting air out and sometimes I'm letting air in. Kind of depends on where I've been and where I'm at. : ) When I remember to do mine I'm usually on the bike and stopped. If I think it may be worthwhile I just take the cap off the valve and depress the core for a second or two. I don't think it really matters as long as the front suspension isn't drastically compressed. For those with 08 and newer KLRs... you don't have the valve from what I've been told. And I've also been told you don't have a drain on your forks either. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . __________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

[GMac999]

I do mine sitting on the bike when cold, (before I start riding). Depending on the temp out that day, they can draw air in or let it out. Greg McKinney -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Khoury Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 10:15 PM To: Jeff Saline Cc: DSN KLR650; nomad59@... Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Forks Air pressure? No valve, and I drained mine by turning them upside down (I removed the bike first). There might be a drain but I don't remember. I was taking them off anyway. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Saline" To: nomad59@... Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 7, 2012 3:06:47 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Forks Air pressure? On Mon, 7 May 2012 14:14:12 -0700 (PDT) mark ward < nomad59@... > writes: > Hey > > Do you set it to atmospheric pressure, (let air out) when the bike is > setting on the kick stand, straight up, (both) and tire on the ground? > OR suspend so the front tire is off the ground & fork FULLY extented? <><><><><><><> <><><><><><><> Mark, I think sometimes I'm letting air out and sometimes I'm letting air in. Kind of depends on where I've been and where I'm at. : ) When I remember to do mine I'm usually on the bike and stopped. If I think it may be worthwhile I just take the cap off the valve and depress the core for a second or two. I don't think it really matters as long as the front suspension isn't drastically compressed. For those with 08 and newer KLRs... you don't have the valve from what I've been told. And I've also been told you don't have a drain on your forks either. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650 . . __________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 ------------------------------------ List Sponsors - Dual Sport News: http://www.dualsportnews.com Arrowhead Motorsports: http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok: http://www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/app/peoplemap/view/map Group Apps: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/grouplets/subscriptionsYahoo! Groups Links

[Greg Jewell]

My 06' manual says to get the front wheel off the ground and depress the air valve. thats what I have always done. I'm 220lbs. and can still bottom out the suspension. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

Wouldn't that be characteristic of an overloaded suspension? I am just guessing, but I bet it is your rear suspension that is bottoming out first. If you are bottoming out the front end, STOP flying the pig. We all know pigs don't fly, so keep the wheels on the deck. OTH, Perhaps a different set of fork springs and longer spacers are what you really need up front. Call Fred for a private consultation. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Greg Jewell wrote: > > My 06' manual says to get the front wheel off the ground and depress the air valve. thats what I have always done. I'm 220lbs. and can still bottom out the suspension. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[SniperOne]

+1 on the consult w/ Fred. I am running Progressive springs and little heaver weight racing (Kaw) oil in the front. Today I was running single track in the desert attempting to keep up with some young snots on dirt bikes. Several times I bottomed the front in the woops and the "pig" was not airborn. My solution, go slower like the aging criter that I am, and stop pretending my KLR has the suspension of a Dakar machine...I know the young snots will eventually have me spending $ on something in the KLX250 (big bored to 351) class to keep up on Saturday mornings. Last year I lowered the beast with links (it was comforting for my short legs in the ruff stuff) and I had issues of bottoming the rear on 2 trips to Moab. I lost 2ea license plates in 2 weeks, ripped out the wiring, broke off the sub-fender twice, and toasted the sidewall on a D606 (edge of a mangled plate I guess). Near the end of my 2nd Moab adventure Fred was patient enough to get link dynamics thru my thick skull (thanks Fred), and I have gone back to stock links. I havent bottomed the rear since, including the last adventure in Kane Creek a couple weeks ago w/ a decently loaded bike. Yes, my legs were too short to reach anything but air in a couple of nasty spots... I will be following Fred's suggestion on a Progressive for the rear soon enough, not because I'm currently bottoming w/ stock, but for the handling improvements and ability to manage being loaded on a trip. Again talk to (no listen to) Fred...LOL. Randy Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone -----Original Message----- From: revmaaatin Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:35 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Forks Air pressure? Wouldn't that be characteristic of an overloaded suspension? I am just guessing, but I bet it is your rear suspension that is bottoming out first. If you are bottoming out the front end, STOP flying the pig. We all know pigs don't fly, so keep the wheels on the deck. OTH, Perhaps a different set of fork springs and longer spacers are what you really need up front. Call Fred for a private consultation. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Greg Jewell wrote: > > My 06' manual says to get the front wheel off the ground and depress the air valve. thats what I have always done. I'm 220lbs. and can still bottom out the suspension. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

OK, I've given this a LOT of thought. One of those Rattlesnake magnets in a nylon stocking would work for sure. Seriously. Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 5/13/2012 10:29 AM, RobertWichert wrote: > > How about a shop vacuum and a long thin tube? > > Do you know what rattler magnets are? > http://www.amazon.com/Magnetic-Rattlesnake-Eggs/dp/B000KRJSHO > The are really strong magnets. If you have lots of steel down there, > you won't get any help from them, but if you put them down where it's > aluminum you might suck that steel socket out. > On a string, they could be useful. Be sure to put them in a strong cage > though. They are nasty strong. > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 5/13/2012 9:13 AM, oldwing@... wrote: > > > > > > Not much yet as I have not had a great deal of time to pursue it. I > > have learned a few things that do not work. I took the cams out to > > give me a little more wiggle room but that has not helped much. I have > > been looking at magnets on sticks lately and most of what I have seen > > so far do not work for what I need. Most are the expandable kind like > > an antennea. When you try to push it into the area that you can not > > see, it simply pushes back in. Also, they can not be bent into much of > > a curved shape. One that I tried was apparently a plastic tube holding > > the magnet on the stick. It was apparently just a friction fit to the > > stick. Almost lost the magnet down there also. Looks like I will be > > pulling the doohicky cover for hopefully better access. > > > > I'll let everyone know what works. Keep the suggestions coming as you > > think of them. > > > > ---- mark ward > > > wrote: > > > Hey Whatsthe update on FINDING the socket? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > -- > > Bill Lewis > > Roanoke, Virginia > > Professor of Motorcycleology > > > > 2004 R1150RT > > 1990 R100RT > > 2002 KLR > > > > Expect The Unexpected > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

The stock suspension is calibrated for the typical 150 lb. Japanese rider. So with a 220 lb. rider, I'd say, yes, it's overloaded. The stock spring is rated at 288 or 300 lb/in, depending on who you believe. For a 220 lb rider, a 400 or 450 lb spring would work nicely, I'd bet. In the front a Progressive 1151 would improve things, but you'd need a shorter spacer, not a longer one, because the spring is abou5 inches longer than stock. You can go s lot farther to upgrade your suspension, but those two enhancements would go a long way to improve your bike's behavior.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > Wouldn't that be characteristic of an overloaded suspension? > I am just guessing, but I bet it is your rear suspension that is bottoming out first. > If you are bottoming out the front end, STOP flying the pig. > We all know pigs don't fly, so keep the wheels on the deck. > OTH, > Perhaps a different set of fork springs and longer spacers are what you really need up front. Call Fred for a private consultation. > > revmaaatin. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Greg Jewell wrote: > > > > My 06' manual says to get the front wheel off the ground and depress the air valve. thats what I have always done. I'm 220lbs. and can still bottom out the suspension. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >