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[robert bowman]

On Tuesday 05 July 2005 16:16, Randy Schulz wrote:

> What do you guys use to break your beads trailside? I have a bead > breaker but it weighs about five pounds. I have been carrying a large > C clamp instead, but I was wondering if anyone had a better solution.

I have never used one, but Aerostich has a 'Bead Popper' (#2583) that is a 4 oz. resin wedge with a handle. It's designed so you can beat on it with a rock or whatever else is handy. I saw it when looking for a Motion Pro Quick Jack, which unfortunately they don't seem to carry any more. Had the opposite problem Saturday. I had been out riding and coming back into town I turned into a side street and the bead on the D606 broke itself quite nicely. Sort of shits and giggles for a few moments. I managed to ride it to where I work, about 5 blocks, where I could scrounge up a coement block and some 2x4's. Urban environments aren't too big on rocks, stumps, etc. I'd like to see that break the bead with the sidestand trick. It may be different with a KLR, but the thing I learned with the DR and a flat rear is the thing wants to fall over on the off side. I had to find a slope that would lean it over toward the sidestand to get off gracefully. I suppose I could have gotten off on the off side, but then what do you do?

[thotchi]

Okay, here's my totally newbie question: Is fixing a flat on a tubed KLR tire the same as fixing a flat on a bicycle? The tools look familiar except for an increase in size. What exactly is the bead? -Tosh

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "W.V. Doran" wrote: > I have a Beadpopper, it works like magic on the front > tire and refuses to budge the rear tire. I've tried it > on three different set of wheels mounted with D606's > and Gripster's >

[dooden]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:

> At 2:55 PM +0000 7/5/05, Randy Shultz wrote: > >What do you guys use to break your beads trailside? I have a bead > >breaker but it weighs about five pounds. I have been carrying a large > >C clamp instead, but I was wondering if anyone had a better solution. > > I use the sidestand at home and in the field. Works great. > > Mark

Am I reading that you use "somebody" else's sidestand, I can not imagine a KLR trailside sans either wheel, and still using the sidestand to break the bead. Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmmm..... Could you not just "stand" on the tire to break the bead ? This is a benefit of using tube type tires. Viva La Kenda's. Dooden A15 Green Ape

[Randy Shultz]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote:

> > Am I reading that you use "somebody" else's sidestand, I can not > imagine a KLR trailside sans either wheel, and still using the > sidestand to break the bead. > > Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmmm.....

--- I assumed they were talking about sidestand equipped bikes. At 135 lbs, I have not been able to get most beads to break. Never tried jumping up and down on them, though. Randy

[David Heath]

I've had three tire repairs in the field in the last month - so I've gotten a little practice with this. I don't carry a bead breaker, and I didn't have to use the kickstand trick (though I do use it at home, just for ease). Take one of your tire irons, and shove it between the rim and the rubber (say, at 12:00 on the tire, tire irons pointing straight up), and pry the rubber towards the inside of the rim. It won't go all the way - maybe 1/4 to 3/8ths of an inch. Sandwich your second tire iron to the first, and continue prying the bead towards the inside of the rim. I suppose if you had a third iron, it'd be a snap. I don't, so I change the angle of attack of the tire irons, from a direct linear pull, to almost a sideways pull (the tire iron still is inserted at the 12:00 position on the wheel, but you are now leaning the irons 45 degrees, in-line with the circumference of the wheel) so that I'm getting greater leverage on the bead. If you've been riding (which is usually when you get a flat), the rubber is warmer and will slide off the rim a little easier. You'll be making progress very incrementally - but it can be done. Once your first bead is released, flip the tire over and go at the second bead, which won't be any easier than the first. One note - when you're putting the whole thing back together, trying to get that last 10 inches of bead onto the rim (again at the 12:00 position), make sure the the bead has not creaped back up onto the rim on the other side of the wheel(down by the 6:00 position). It will! And it makes that last 10 inches or so a real pain. But if you keep the bead off the rim, you can do it without soapy water or other lubes.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Randy Shultz" wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > > > Am I reading that you use "somebody" else's sidestand, I can not > > imagine a KLR trailside sans either wheel, and still using the > > sidestand to break the bead. > > > > Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmmm..... > --- > > I assumed they were talking about sidestand equipped bikes. At 135 lbs, > I have not been able to get most beads to break. Never tried jumping > up and down on them, though. > > Randy

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 10:45 AM +0000 7/6/05, Dooden wrote:

>--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Tengai Mark Van Horn > wrote: >> At 2:55 PM +0000 7/5/05, Randy Shultz wrote: >> >What do you guys use to break your beads trailside? ... >> >> I use the sidestand at home and in the field. Works great. >> >> Mark > >Am I reading that you use "somebody" else's sidestand, I can not >imagine a KLR trailside sans either wheel, and still using the >sidestand to break the bead. > >Things that make you go hummmmmmmmmmm..... > >Could you not just "stand" on the tire to break the bead ?

I usually stand on the tires to break the bead. If it doesn't budge, I use the sidestand. Yes, it's MY OWN sidestand if no other bike is handy, which I did when I changed my tube at the Enduraid campsite. The Givi e45 case makes a great support for the bike to do this, but any good rock or log will do. I also carry a ratchet strap for use as a winch if I need. Mark

[Eric L. Green]

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Dooden wrote:

> Could you not just "stand" on the tire to break the bead ? This is a > benefit of using tube type tires. Viva La Kenda's.

Stomping with a boot heel certainly can be part of the process especially if things are getting stubborn, but has never been sufficient for me, it's more of a "okay, I think I have the bead down, now let's make *sure*" kinda deal. But I guess if you're heavy enough it'd do the trick . -E

[pdstreeter@mmm.com]

Randy wrote:

>At 135 lbs, >I have not been able to get most beads to break. Never tried jumping >up and down on them, though.

At 260 pounds, I've never needed a bead breaker on a tube-type tire. Paul Streeter

[sopris_2000]

I agree with Jud, no special tools are needed. Instead of buying the bead breaker from Fred, you should buy his video on how to take a tire off with one tire iron. 5 years ago, my wife and I were in Mexico/Central America. I had a pin in my tire that would puncture the tube when riding. I couldn't find the pin until I got back to Moab and Fred found it. I told Fred I even went to a tire changing place in Honduras with a pneumatic setup and they had a problem getting the tire off. If you don't know Fred, he just gave me one of his head down, eyes looking at you,over the top of the rims, like he had glasses on. And then he showed me how to remove a tire. Usually in Colorado, we use Mefos which fall off the rim. But down south we used Gripsters and they are tough. Anyway, he slowly (very slowly) worked the tire iron around the rim working the end in and slowly moving the bead down. I'll be go to hell, Fred did it with one tire iron. I was amazed and impressed. So Fred will sell you all the fancy stuff you want. I know because I have outfitted 2 KLR's with Fred. But learning how to use what you have is really important. And speaking of Mexico/Central America, my wife and I are in Guatemala today. We crossed from Mexico yesterday. We are in week 4 of 3 month trip. And we are using Gripsters on both bikes again and I only have tire irons in case I have to get a tire off.

[Skypilot]

Ordering now. Tire kit will now include the following T6 irons in 22 and 24mm for the axle nuts and the 12/13 for stem nuts 22mm - http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-T6-Tire-Levers/dp/B000GU1R4W 24mm - http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-T6-Tire-Levers/dp/B000GTYPFQ 12/13mm - http://www.amazon.com/Motion-Pro-T6-Tire-Levers/dp/B000GU0OQO Also ordering one loop end spoon to go in the home kit. I already have two long very over weight steel irons http://motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0115/ I also have a Tube Snake, a Bead Buddy and have ordered the Bead popper. MMMMM, I love the smell of new tire kit in the morning, it smell li.... oh, sorry. I got carried away there for a minute. I now have purchased all the good tire carma available

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jud Jones wrote: > > Nope, this one: > http://motionpro.com/motorcycle/tools/category/t_6_combo_lever/ > > The bead buddy thing is handy, but I carry it mostly for karmic prophylaxis, > much like the tube snake, another little doodad that figures to be handy as > heck, but in reality is rarely needed. At least neither one takes up as > much weight or space in your trail tools as a bead breaker would. > > The T6 levers are the biznizz for mounting tires without pinching tubes. If > you don't have a problem with pinching tubes, then there is no need to spend > nearly a hunnert bucks for a set of three (22 and 24mm for the axle nuts, > and the 12/13 for stem nuts, plus the lip on the end that helps avoid > pinching.) In my personal pantheon of hand tools that cost way, way too much > but are worth every nickel, these rank just ahead of the Estwing 16 > oz.leather-handled hammer, and right alongside the Snap-On ratcheting > screwdriver. (The reason I don't rank the Estwaing quite as high is that it > only costs about twice as much as a decent hammer, as opposed to ten times > as much for the levers and the screwdriver). > > But if you don't carry the T6 levers, at least carry one of these, a steel > spoon with a looped handle: > http://motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0115/ > You can probably get the functional equivalent from your local accessory > house for about 2.99. One of these with any two other tire levers will > allow you to try both bead breaking methods, one or the other of which is > bound to work.