digest number 11930

[Jeff Khoury]

I would have a lot more respect for H-D if they would take a page from Triumph's book. Triumph still produces a line of "retro" bikes (the Bonnie, Scrambler, Thruxton, etc.) but they also produce the Speed Triple and the Daytona 675. The refusal of H-D to realize that "technologically advanced" does not mean smacking EFI on a 50 year-old engine is what is holding them back as a company. Until they get over the notion that the only engine in the world is the 45-degree, single-pin, push-rod, air-cooled jobby, and that a frame should be welded tube steel, they'll be relegated to one small segment of the motorcycle market. I was excited when the V-Rod was introduced, the fact that they had Porsche help them design a DOHC water-cooled 60-degree engine. It was a step in the right direction but they still failed in my book. The goal was to create a modern power cruiser but they ended up almost, but not quite, replicating a 1985 V-Max in 2002. Their "Destroyer" non-street legal drag bike still has 35HP less than a bone stock street-legal VMAX. Get with it, guys... we're Americans, we CAN be the best in the world. Quit giving me half-assed attempts at competition. How about starting by using that Revolution engine in some of your other bikes? C'mon guys... seriously! I want to like your stuff. Try adding a few cylinders or something. /rant off.

----- Original Message ----- From: "RobertWichert" To: "Jeff Khoury" Cc: "klr" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:28:08 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] I street raced a Bandido last night on my KLR Good point. The huge baggers are not so quick. It's the stripped down 1200/1600 models that can move out. Plus some of those Harley riders pack a few pounds more than I do too! HA! Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068

[ron criswell]

Well Harley does what Harley does best and realizes it. They have tried other stuff but that hasn't worked out. I thought it a mistake by getting rid of Buell but if you want a loud, chromey, torquey bike that lends itself well to customizing.....and be a member of a giant club and go to events where women run around naked (some are good looking) get a Harley. I have been to Bikeweek 3 times, the Springfield Mile races and the SouthPadre Labor Day Rally. Harley's vastly out number the other bikes there. Toy Runs-same deal. Plus they are fairly simple and easy to maintain. I wouldn't mind an 883 or 1200 Sportster done up in street tracker fashion. I have always kind of liked the engine sound and low end power. I don't have a clue why folks like the big ones with plastic bags and windscreens that cost 20 -25 grand other than they are supposed to be fairly comfortable on the Hwy. My knees are beginning to question the bend on my Versys feet on the pegs style. My KLR still has the most comfortable riding position in my 3 bikes. I used to think I wanted a Ducati, my knees and wrists told me different. I wondered once (after a few beers) why Harley didn't use their already established look and style and make a V-3, one in front and two in back??? An 1800 to 2000 cc V-3??? Criswell Sent from my iPad

On Nov 8, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: > I would have a lot more respect for H-D if they would take a page from Triumph's book. Triumph still produces a line of "retro" bikes (the Bonnie, Scrambler, Thruxton, etc.) but they also produce the Speed Triple and the Daytona 675. > > The refusal of H-D to realize that "technologically advanced" does not mean smacking EFI on a 50 year-old engine is what is holding them back as a company. Until they get over the notion that the only engine in the world is the 45-degree, single-pin, push-rod, air-cooled jobby, and that a frame should be welded tube steel, they'll be relegated to one small segment of the motorcycle market. > > I was excited when the V-Rod was introduced, the fact that they had Porsche help them design a DOHC water-cooled 60-degree engine. It was a step in the right direction but they still failed in my book. The goal was to create a modern power cruiser but they ended up almost, but not quite, replicating a 1985 V-Max in 2002. Their "Destroyer" non-street legal drag bike still has 35HP less than a bone stock street-legal VMAX. > > Get with it, guys... we're Americans, we CAN be the best in the world. Quit giving me half-assed attempts at competition. How about starting by using that Revolution engine in some of your other bikes? C'mon guys... seriously! I want to like your stuff. Try adding a few cylinders or something. > > /rant off. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RobertWichert" > To: "Jeff Khoury" > Cc: "klr" DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:28:08 AM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] I street raced a Bandido last night on my KLR > > Good point. The huge baggers are not so quick. It's the stripped down 1200/1600 models that can move out. Plus some of those Harley riders pack a few pounds more than I do too! > > HA! > > Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[James W. Flower]

Thank you for contacting me. I will be away from the office until Monday, November 28, 2011. I will be checking my email when possible and will deal with emergencies as best I can. Otherwise, I'll respond as soon as possible after I return. Thanks for your patience.

On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:45 AM, DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com wrote: > DualSportNews' KLR650 Discussion List > Messages In This Digest (5 Messages) > 1a. > Re: Fork Height, Rake & Trail From: Michael Martin > 1b. > Re: Fork Height, Rake & Trail From: Thomas Komjathy > 1c. > Re: Fork Height, Rake & Trail From: Dooden > 2a. > Re: Fred do you have the Fuji-Lock reusable flange-nuts From: Dooden > 3a. > Re: To Ping or Not to Ping? From: Jud > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1a. > Re: Fork Height, Rake & Trail > Posted by: "Michael Martin" mmartin36@... mmartin36 > Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:04 am (PST) > > > Your guess was correct. Both rake and trail are reduced. > > See http://sportbike.natkd.com/motorcycle_geometry_101.htm > > Mike Martin, > Louisville, KY > > ________________________________ > From: JWF > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:34 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Height, Rake & Trail > > > > When you push the forks up through the triple clamps, do you decrease rake and trail, or increase it? I'm guessing decrease but I got a D in geometry. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (4) > 1b. > Re: Fork Height, Rake & Trail > Posted by: "Thomas Komjathy" klrsisfiddy@... klrsisfiddy > Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:58 am (PST) > > > Decrease in trail and rake > > > Thomas J. Komjathy > DSK L.L.C. > dskllc@... > > ________________________________ > From: JWF > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:34 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fork Height, Rake & Trail > > > > When you push the forks up through the triple clamps, do you decrease rake and trail, or increase it? I'm guessing decrease but I got a D in geometry. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (4) > 1c. > Re: Fork Height, Rake & Trail > Posted by: "Dooden" dooden@... Dooden > Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:18 pm (PST) > > > Decrease and allows for folks with legs "almost" long enough to push the bike backwards while on the seat, or gives ya that little bit of footing without lowering the rear. > > I have no ill effects o handling that I can notice, only needed about 3/4" drop for me. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "JWF" wrote: > > > > When you push the forks up through the triple clamps, do you decrease rake and trail, or increase it? I'm guessing decrease but I got a D in geometry. > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (4) > 2a. > Re: Fred do you have the Fuji-Lock reusable flange-nuts > Posted by: "Dooden" dooden@... Dooden > Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:16 pm (PST) > > > Nylock is what I have been using for years, and what Fred said.. they will wear out after time, but how often do you adjust them ??? > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > I m not a fan of Fuji nuts. I do sell nylock lock nuts. I believe nylocks last longer and don t loosen like a Fuji style nut. A Fuji nut works well as a lock nut as long as you don t have to adjust it. The metal locking ring wears out shortly and then there is nothing to stop the nut from coming loose. A nylock will loosen eventually but they seem to always have a little friction to keep them from falling off. > > > > Fred > > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > > > > > From: Jeffrey > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:53 PM > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Fred do you have the Fuji-Lock reusable flange-nuts > > > > > > for the rear axle adjusters? > > > > J#3 > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (3) > 3a. > Re: To Ping or Not to Ping? > Posted by: "Jud" judjonzz@... judjonzz > Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:14 am (PST) > > > It's not pinging. It is your keys jingling. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "JWF" wrote: > > > > Somewhere between 50 and 65, my A13 sounds like it's pinging. Aside from just not wanting to believe that, I'm confused as to why it would ping. If the temp gauge is to be believed, it runs nice and cool. When I roll on throttle, the noise actually goes away, when loading the engine ought to make it worse. It doesn't make the sound at lower speeds, even in higher gears while rolling on. Switching to high octane hasn't changed it. > > Tell me it isn't pinging! Then tell me what the heck it is. > > -JWF > > > > Back to top > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post > Messages in this topic (2) > > RECENT ACTIVITY > 5 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Yahoo! Groups > Small Business Group > Ask questions, > share experiences ---------- > > Yahoo! News > Get it all here > Breaking news to > entertainment news ---------- > > Y! 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[revmaaatin]

Marshall, Nice story. It has a 'happy' ending. It also fits the 'medical-profile' for aero-medical call outs that have less than happy endings: "Nothing good happens after midnight." revmaaatin. who is presently an under employed medical helo pilot ps. I might be wrong about the aero-medial stuff; it might have been Darwin that said that.... smile. pps. yeah, the reply is written as though looking into a mirror at a man that looks like my grandfather. sigh.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Marshall Paul wrote: > > OK, I am 61, been riding a long time, and was feeling sad about my wife who > I was visiting in a hospital. Went for a little late night ride after > leaving her at 1 am and found myself listening to a Harley next to me at a > light. I have not done this kind of shit since I was 40 sumpthin. He > blipped his throttle and I answered and we took off at the light. He beat > me to the next light, so we did it again. He beat me by not so much, but > the KLR did the coolest wheelie across the intersection. I had forgotten > how much fun street racing was. The Harley was pretty quick, but he should > have been embarrassed that my old KLR stayed so close. I can't tell the > wife what I was out doing, so I thought I would share it here. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >