tengai b1 exhaust camshaft galling

[Jeff Khoury]

//chrome-plated pirate ships// I nearly spit coke on my keyboard over that one. -Jeff Khoury From: "dat brooklyn bum" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:38:38 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tow-Behind Trailer? The wife and I passed a slew of chrome and hot leather the other day... One of the chrome-plated pirate ships was pulling a trailer that had wood panel siding and a fabric tonneau cover type of thing. So Kirsty says to me, "Is that a HOT TUB?!?!?" I chuckled and said that if it was, it would be the first thing I'd ever seen worth pulling behind a motorcycle. But it would need to have the cover off, and a nice-looking passenger inside (doesn't hurt to look, right, Rev?). da Vermonster

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "Jud" wrote: > > I strongly disagree with the concept of towing a trailer behind a motorbike. I have a friend who pulls one behind a Gold Wing and I keep telling him he is hauling too much crap around, but some people, you can't tell 'em anything. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , "fw189uhu" wrote: > > > > Can't find much useful on the internet about using the KLR to tow a trailer, and what trailer to use. > > > > I'd like to have about 250 pounds of cargo towed behind my KLR for on-road and limited dirt road riding (probably not off-road cross-country). I read that a single-wheel unit gives the best riding control, but some seem to strongly disagree with this. > > > > I'd like to hear from you if you've towed behind your KLR and how it worked out for you. What kind of trailer do you have (or recommend)? > > > > Dave > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[RobertWichert]

If you need to tow a trailer behind a motorcycle, you should buy a Jeep. It's a simple as that. Sorry to be so harsh, but motorcycles are NOT good tow vehicles. Even a side-hack is missing the point, in my biased opinion, but let the flames fly! Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/14/2011 11:38 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > The wife and I passed a slew of chrome and hot leather the other > day... One of the chrome-plated pirate ships was pulling a trailer > that had wood panel siding and a fabric tonneau cover type of thing. > So Kirsty says to me, "Is that a HOT TUB?!?!?" I chuckled and said > that if it was, it would be the first thing I'd ever seen worth > pulling behind a motorcycle. But it would need to have the cover off, > and a nice-looking passenger inside (doesn't hurt to look, right, Rev?). > > da Vermonster > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "Jud" wrote: > > > > I strongly disagree with the concept of towing a trailer behind a > motorbike. I have a friend who pulls one behind a Gold Wing and I keep > telling him he is hauling too much crap around, but some people, you > can't tell 'em anything. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "fw189uhu" wrote: > > > > > > Can't find much useful on the internet about using the KLR to tow > a trailer, and what trailer to use. > > > > > > I'd like to have about 250 pounds of cargo towed behind my KLR for > on-road and limited dirt road riding (probably not off-road > cross-country). I read that a single-wheel unit gives the best riding > control, but some seem to strongly disagree with this. > > > > > > I'd like to hear from you if you've towed behind your KLR and how > it worked out for you. What kind of trailer do you have (or recommend)? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

I tend to agree with that as well. If it doesn't fit on the bike, I probably don't need to take it. I was able to get everything I needed for a (fairly comfortable) 3-day weekend onto the KLR without any problem at all. http://on.fb.me/jwGeOD -Jeff Khoury From: "RobertWichert" To: "dat brooklyn bum" Cc: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:24:12 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR Tow-Behind Trailer? If you need to tow a trailer behind a motorcycle, you should buy a Jeep. It's a simple as that. Sorry to be so harsh, but motorcycles are NOT good tow vehicles. Even a side-hack is missing the point, in my biased opinion, but let the flames fly! Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 6/14/2011 11:38 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > The wife and I passed a slew of chrome and hot leather the other > day... One of the chrome-plated pirate ships was pulling a trailer > that had wood panel siding and a fabric tonneau cover type of thing. > So Kirsty says to me, "Is that a HOT TUB?!?!?" I chuckled and said > that if it was, it would be the first thing I'd ever seen worth > pulling behind a motorcycle. But it would need to have the cover off, > and a nice-looking passenger inside (doesn't hurt to look, right, Rev?). > > da Vermonster > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "Jud" wrote: > > > > I strongly disagree with the concept of towing a trailer behind a > motorbike. I have a friend who pulls one behind a Gold Wing and I keep > telling him he is hauling too much crap around, but some people, you > can't tell 'em anything. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "fw189uhu" wrote: > > > > > > Can't find much useful on the internet about using the KLR to tow > a trailer, and what trailer to use. > > > > > > I'd like to have about 250 pounds of cargo towed behind my KLR for > on-road and limited dirt road riding (probably not off-road > cross-country). I read that a single-wheel unit gives the best riding > control, but some seem to strongly disagree with this. > > > > > > I'd like to hear from you if you've towed behind your KLR and how > it worked out for you. What kind of trailer do you have (or recommend)? > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ronald Criswell]

I agree. Anyone who rides a trike, a bike with a sidecar, the Can Am whatever it is, or pulling a huge bike trailer .........should get a Miata (I have one of those too). I do have to admit thought the Piaggio scooter with 2 front wheels that lean looks really cool. Now if we are imagining.........lemme take another sip of 5 a clock beer, now if Piaggio could take this concept with larger tires,.....and front wheel drive them....double sip......that might be the ultimate all terrain.......scooter, er bike, er vehicle. Sip! Criswell

On Jun 14, 2011, at 3:24 PM, RobertWichert wrote: > If you need to tow a trailer behind a motorcycle, you should buy a > Jeep. It's a simple as that. > > Sorry to be so harsh, but motorcycles are NOT good tow vehicles. Even a > side-hack is missing the point, in my biased opinion, but let the flames > fly! > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > =============================================== > > On 6/14/2011 11:38 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > > > The wife and I passed a slew of chrome and hot leather the other > > day... One of the chrome-plated pirate ships was pulling a trailer > > that had wood panel siding and a fabric tonneau cover type of thing. > > So Kirsty says to me, "Is that a HOT TUB?!?!?" I chuckled and said > > that if it was, it would be the first thing I'd ever seen worth > > pulling behind a motorcycle. But it would need to have the cover off, > > and a nice-looking passenger inside (doesn't hurt to look, right, Rev?). > > > > da Vermonster > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "Jud" wrote: > > > > > > I strongly disagree with the concept of towing a trailer behind a > > motorbike. I have a friend who pulls one behind a Gold Wing and I keep > > telling him he is hauling too much crap around, but some people, you > > can't tell 'em anything. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "fw189uhu" wrote: > > > > > > > > Can't find much useful on the internet about using the KLR to tow > > a trailer, and what trailer to use. > > > > > > > > I'd like to have about 250 pounds of cargo towed behind my KLR for > > on-road and limited dirt road riding (probably not off-road > > cross-country). I read that a single-wheel unit gives the best riding > > control, but some seem to strongly disagree with this. > > > > > > > > I'd like to hear from you if you've towed behind your KLR and how > > it worked out for you. What kind of trailer do you have (or recommend)? > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

Mike, Looking over your photos, I notice that the cam doesn t show signs of excess heat. It looks like this damage was not caused by a low oil level that is most common for galling of bearings. The head will show signs of galling and excess heat first since it is closest to the hottest part of your engine. Since there doesn t look to be excess heat, the galling looks to be caused by a piece of metal that has gotten into this cam bearing. Do you know if this engine has been run without an oil filter or without the oil filter bypass tube? This would allow any large bits of metal to circulate with your oil and end up in bearings, etc. If this is the case, you have to wonder what other bearings may have been damaged by this free floating metal.... Sinking a bunch of money into repairs on this engine without completely tearing it down and inspecting all the bearings, gear, shafts and all wear surfaces for damage, could only be the start of your expenses. It would be cheaper to look for another used (and running) engine or find a complete used bike. It is difficult at best to diagnose engine problems from a distance but it might also pay you in the long run to get some professional motorcycle advice. Let us know what you find out. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: exidyboy Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:44 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Tengai B1 Exhaust Camshaft galling I've uploaded some hi-res photos into an a new album entitled entitled "Mike's Tengai" that I had a friend take for me. You can view them at Large or Original Size and get some quite exquisite detail. You will see the galling on the exhaust camshaft that I discovered when removing the camshafts to check the size of the shims, and the correspond scoring on the aluminium camshaft caps. By the way two valves were fine and two were only just out of spec by the thickness of my thinnest feeling gauge. A workshop in the city tells me I need to have the camshaft linished to remove the aluminium it has picked up from the cap and the head and caps then need to be line bored. I was initially perplexed that they could remove material from both the camshaft and cap without creating a bigger gap, but apparently they remove material from the base of the cap first, what the Internet calls "decking" the caps. I asked if it would make sense to check the cylinder and piston while the head is off as the bike has done around 100,000K's. They suggested it would make sense and that I would probably disturb the base gasket anyway in the process of removing the head and this would would create an oil leak - and they also added wryly that I had "better be pretty damn sure the bottom is end is rock solid". I'm reluctant to spend 1000's of dollars on parts and labour and over-capitalise an old bike that would never repay the investment upon resale. The major advantage of the Tengai is the enormous range from the 23 Litre tank - you can ride for 3 hours longer than the endurance of your backside. Since I live in inner Melbourne with nowhere to work under cover on the bike, or park it under cover, I want to get the engine sealed up again a.s.a.p. and if there is a bit of piston slap I might just have to live with that while I focus on the brakes and rear shock. The only tricky part I anticipate is how to torque up the cap nuts that are inverted under the cylinder head as I can't see how you could get a torque wrench on there. Any suggestions ? Mike [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

Right On... Just got me a California'ed 1993 Suzuki Sidekick.. a Little Jeep... 4x4, roof panel and or rear roof unlatch and remove., might have to make a little hitch for it to tow small trailer.. Say GoKartbigenough. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > If you need to tow a trailer behind a motorcycle, you should buy a > Jeep. It's a simple as that. > > Sorry to be so harsh, but motorcycles are NOT good tow vehicles. Even a > side-hack is missing the point, in my biased opinion, but let the flames > fly! > > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > On 6/14/2011 11:38 AM, dat brooklyn bum wrote: > > > > The wife and I passed a slew of chrome and hot leather the other > > day... One of the chrome-plated pirate ships was pulling a trailer > > that had wood panel siding and a fabric tonneau cover type of thing. > > So Kirsty says to me, "Is that a HOT TUB?!?!?" I chuckled and said > > that if it was, it would be the first thing I'd ever seen worth > > pulling behind a motorcycle. But it would need to have the cover off, > > and a nice-looking passenger inside (doesn't hurt to look, right, Rev?). > > > > da Vermonster > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "Jud" wrote: > > > > > > I strongly disagree with the concept of towing a trailer behind a > > motorbike. I have a friend who pulls one behind a Gold Wing and I keep > > telling him he is hauling too much crap around, but some people, you > > can't tell 'em anything. > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "fw189uhu" wrote: > > > > > > > > Can't find much useful on the internet about using the KLR to tow > > a trailer, and what trailer to use. > > > > > > > > I'd like to have about 250 pounds of cargo towed behind my KLR for > > on-road and limited dirt road riding (probably not off-road > > cross-country). I read that a single-wheel unit gives the best riding > > control, but some seem to strongly disagree with this. > > > > > > > > I'd like to hear from you if you've towed behind your KLR and how > > it worked out for you. What kind of trailer do you have (or recommend)? > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Thomas Landmann]

A Sidekick! I think you could tow that behind the KLR.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM, Dooden wrote: > > > Right On... > > Just got me a California'ed 1993 Suzuki Sidekick.. a Little Jeep... > 4x4, roof panel and or rear roof unlatch and remove., might have to make a > little hitch for it to tow small trailer.. Say GoKartbigenough. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote:

> revmaaatin. who is moving to the holy city in July. >

Rome or Mecca?