mismounted tire

[spike55_bmw]

This weekend was our first KLR (pre & post '08) and others (2xBMW, KTM 950, DRZs) ride up into the hard coal area of northcentral PA. As many know, it has been raining here approx 4-5 days a week and it poured all the way to the rendezvous site. Drizzled at the start but slowly subsided although still foggy on top of the high-points. Not sure of the socio-economic reasons why people throw their trash (tires, broken glass, bottles, paper, and regular household wastes) in these abandoned coal mining areas but it wears on me besides being dangerous. by the end of the day all were covered in black mud, knobbie tires were very desirable as noted by two crashes of a bike with Michelin Tourances. My Kenda 761s were passable but very squirmy, which put me at the back of the pack. The more adventurous took one trail and broke two gear shift levers. A Vise-grips really does work but not preferable. The other bright spot was that I was one of the three lime green 2006 KLRs in service. Don R100, A6F

[spike55_bmw]

Here's a link to a video of our ride. Guy on a BMW F800GS had a HERO helmet camera. Bottom of page 4 "Frank's Adventure Ride 4 23, 2011" http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4 Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "spike55_bmw" wrote: > > This weekend was our first KLR (pre & post '08) and others (2xBMW, KTM 950, DRZs) ride up into the hard coal area of northcentral PA. > > As many know, it has been raining here approx 4-5 days a week and it poured all the way to the rendezvous site. Drizzled at the start but slowly subsided although still foggy on top of the high-points. > > Not sure of the socio-economic reasons why people throw their trash (tires, broken glass, bottles, paper, and regular household wastes) in these abandoned coal mining areas but it wears on me besides being dangerous. > > by the end of the day all were covered in black mud, knobbie tires were very desirable as noted by two crashes of a bike with Michelin Tourances. My Kenda 761s were passable but very squirmy, which put me at the back of the pack. > > The more adventurous took one trail and broke two gear shift levers. A Vise-grips really does work but not preferable. The other bright spot was that I was one of the three lime green 2006 KLRs in service. > > Don R100, A6F >

[RobertWichert]

What tires worked best, Don? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/25/2011 3:28 AM, spike55_bmw wrote: > > Here's a link to a video of our ride. Guy on a BMW F800GS had a HERO > helmet camera. Bottom of page 4 "Frank's Adventure Ride 4 23, 2011" > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4 > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4> > > Don R100, A6F > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , "spike55_bmw" > wrote: > > > > This weekend was our first KLR (pre & post '08) and others (2xBMW, > KTM 950, DRZs) ride up into the hard coal area of northcentral PA. > > > > As many know, it has been raining here approx 4-5 days a week and it > poured all the way to the rendezvous site. Drizzled at the start but > slowly subsided although still foggy on top of the high-points. > > > > Not sure of the socio-economic reasons why people throw their trash > (tires, broken glass, bottles, paper, and regular household wastes) in > these abandoned coal mining areas but it wears on me besides being > dangerous. > > > > by the end of the day all were covered in black mud, knobbie tires > were very desirable as noted by two crashes of a bike with Michelin > Tourances. My Kenda 761s were passable but very squirmy, which put me > at the back of the pack. > > > > The more adventurous took one trail and broke two gear shift levers. > A Vise-grips really does work but not preferable. The other bright > spot was that I was one of the three lime green 2006 KLRs in service. > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[spike55_bmw]

Knobbies: Shinko, IRC, Kenda, Continemtal. I bet MEFO Explorer Sport 99 would be good too. Anything 50/50 only because of the mud. Dry dirt / gravel roads aren't usually a problem for my Kenda 761s or I guess the Anakees / Tourance style tires. I probably should emphasize one point and that is that I never wrecked even when running the smoother Kenda 761s but riders with and without knobbies did wreck resulting in cycle damage and sprains / bruises. Maybe the tires have less to do with how your day turns out than what's between the ears. Don R100, A6F CEM, CEP, CEA

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote: > > What tires worked best, Don? > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > On 4/25/2011 3:28 AM, spike55_bmw wrote: > > > > Here's a link to a video of our ride. Guy on a BMW F800GS had a HERO > > helmet camera. Bottom of page 4 "Frank's Adventure Ride 4 23, 2011" > > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4 > > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4> > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > , "spike55_bmw" > > wrote: > > > > > > This weekend was our first KLR (pre & post '08) and others (2xBMW, > > KTM 950, DRZs) ride up into the hard coal area of northcentral PA. > > > > > > As many know, it has been raining here approx 4-5 days a week and it > > poured all the way to the rendezvous site. Drizzled at the start but > > slowly subsided although still foggy on top of the high-points. > > > > > > Not sure of the socio-economic reasons why people throw their trash > > (tires, broken glass, bottles, paper, and regular household wastes) in > > these abandoned coal mining areas but it wears on me besides being > > dangerous. > > > > > > by the end of the day all were covered in black mud, knobbie tires > > were very desirable as noted by two crashes of a bike with Michelin > > Tourances. My Kenda 761s were passable but very squirmy, which put me > > at the back of the pack. > > > > > > The more adventurous took one trail and broke two gear shift levers. > > A Vise-grips really does work but not preferable. The other bright > > spot was that I was one of the three lime green 2006 KLRs in service. > > > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[RobertWichert]

Yes, well, even knobbies put you on the ground if you lock up the front brake. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 4/25/2011 7:47 AM, spike55_bmw wrote: > > Knobbies: Shinko, IRC, Kenda, Continemtal. I bet MEFO Explorer Sport > 99 would be good too. Anything 50/50 only because of the mud. > > Dry dirt / gravel roads aren't usually a problem for my Kenda 761s or > I guess the Anakees / Tourance style tires. > > I probably should emphasize one point and that is that I never wrecked > even when running the smoother Kenda 761s but riders with and without > knobbies did wreck resulting in cycle damage and sprains / bruises. > Maybe the tires have less to do with how your day turns out than > what's between the ears. > > Don R100, A6F > CEM, CEP, CEA > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > , RobertWichert wrote: > > > > What tires worked best, Don? > > > > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP > > +1 916 966 9060 > > FAX +1 916 966 9068 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =============================================== > > > > > > On 4/25/2011 3:28 AM, spike55_bmw wrote: > > > > > > Here's a link to a video of our ride. Guy on a BMW F800GS had a HERO > > > helmet camera. Bottom of page 4 "Frank's Adventure Ride 4 23, 2011" > > > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4 > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4> > > > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4 > http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=674063&page=4>> > > > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > > > > , "spike55_bmw" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This weekend was our first KLR (pre & post '08) and others (2xBMW, > > > KTM 950, DRZs) ride up into the hard coal area of northcentral PA. > > > > > > > > As many know, it has been raining here approx 4-5 days a week > and it > > > poured all the way to the rendezvous site. Drizzled at the start but > > > slowly subsided although still foggy on top of the high-points. > > > > > > > > Not sure of the socio-economic reasons why people throw their trash > > > (tires, broken glass, bottles, paper, and regular household > wastes) in > > > these abandoned coal mining areas but it wears on me besides being > > > dangerous. > > > > > > > > by the end of the day all were covered in black mud, knobbie tires > > > were very desirable as noted by two crashes of a bike with Michelin > > > Tourances. My Kenda 761s were passable but very squirmy, which put me > > > at the back of the pack. > > > > > > > > The more adventurous took one trail and broke two gear shift > levers. > > > A Vise-grips really does work but not preferable. The other bright > > > spot was that I was one of the three lime green 2006 KLRs in service. > > > > > > > > Don R100, A6F > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

Don, Sounds like you had fun! If I were riding in that environment, I think I would be spraying off my chain every 100 miles, unless of course I have misunderstood the corrosive, erosive nature of the coal dust. (It is sure hard on lungs. cough). 2009 I bought a 1997 KLR 250 with 970 miles on the clock, purchased near Wilkes Barre, PA. It had seen much of the same riding you describe, although it was only lightly used on those same coal dust trails. (as reported here in a ride report) Examining the chain prior to my departure to South Dakota = 1750 miles, 5 days, I noticed the black soot on the chain. At least I think it was a chain. smile. I spray washed it with WD40, again, and every 100 miles @ fuel stops. It bled coal dust even after I got it home. Now at 3Ksmiles, original OEM chain, it now just bleeds gumbo dust when I spray it with WD40. I would thinK: All that black dust has to be very difficult on an O-ring chain. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "spike55_bmw" wrote: > > This weekend was our first KLR (pre & post '08) and others (2xBMW, KTM 950, DRZs) ride up into the hard coal area of northcentral PA. > > As many know, it has been raining here approx 4-5 days a week and it poured all the way to the rendezvous site. Drizzled at the start but slowly subsided although still foggy on top of the high-points. > > Not sure of the socio-economic reasons why people throw their trash (tires, broken glass, bottles, paper, and regular household wastes) in these abandoned coal mining areas but it wears on me besides being dangerous. > > by the end of the day all were covered in black mud, knobbie tires were very desirable as noted by two crashes of a bike with Michelin Tourances. My Kenda 761s were passable but very squirmy, which put me at the back of the pack. > > The more adventurous took one trail and broke two gear shift levers. A Vise-grips really does work but not preferable. The other bright spot was that I was one of the three lime green 2006 KLRs in service. > > Don R100, A6F >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "kusstj" wrote: SNIP > > Or leave it the presuure a bit low, so 20ish psi and ride on it some more. - just a few miles, the bead may seat on its own that way too. > > SNIP PLEASE: If you do this, very lightly use the front brake: hard useage will cause the tire to slip on the rim and that would be bad. Perhaps even tearing the valve stem loose. (who me? honest, it was an old tube....) Just yesterday: I had to 'fix' that same problem (described above) with my new to me 2004, 1200 miles: it arrived at my home with the valve stem canted some 30+degrees for who knows how long. Might have been misinstalled, but I am betting it was run way low on tire pressure and someone locked the brakes up. (much to the dismay of many who say the front brakes don't work. shrug.) The OEM tires broke the bead with just our hands--4 hands on the tire and the valve stem moved back to the perpenduiular position. As a side bar note: now is a good time to use a soapy rag on the outside of the rim and check for cracks between the spokes. Fellow poster CA STU had this failure on his bike and it warrents a through cleaning and inspeciton at least once a year. UNSNIP Again, the bead will seat with some lube. the root cause was probably old rubber residue on the rim surface which is causing the bead to hang up. Cleaning up the rim real good nest time will help rectify this in the future, but right now some lube ought to do the trick. > SNIP Yes, yes, yes! You can do that with our electric drill and a rotary brush. I had a set of used wheels that tool over 45 minutes to remove the rubber residue, using a diegrinder and wire wheel attatchment. UNSNIP > If all else fails and you decide to tear the new tire off the rim, clean this rim surface real well and lube the hell out of the bead before remounting. A new tube may be in order by this time too. > > good luck todd in chaska mn A16 revmaaatin.