nklr - bead breaking methods

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Flower Jamie wrote:

> > According to their site, the RK tool that Jake bought (UCT4060) "combine(s) all the parts needed to break the chain, cut it to length and clip or rivet the connecting link." Doesn't it take three of Mike's tools to do that, i.e., the Rivet Tool, Chain Press Tool, and Chain Breaker Tool? Those total $77.00, versus $100 on "monthly special" from Sprocket Center (regularly $130). Didn't check tax/shipping, return policies, phase of moon etc., but it looks like Jake scored a nifty "Latched Plastic Box" for only $23.00! Actually, some might really prefer to pay more and get the neat little kit. Maybe the kind of guy who dials in his rivet flares... (Sorry Jake, couldn't help myself). > RK Tools: http://www.rkexcelamerica.com/faq.html#tools > Mike's: http://www.mikesxs.net/products-7.html?category_id=7.1 > Sprocket Center: http://www.sprocketcenter.com/p/102321/monthly-special-rk-pro-chain-breaker-and-rivet-tool-kit.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

~~~Thanks Jamie! I'm flatered, I think=:-) Jake Reddick Fla. Ultimately the quest for DS motorcycling nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04

[Fred Hink]

I am now stocking a chain breaking, press and riveting tool that sells for about $72. This is the cheapest price I have found anywhere. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: Flower Jamie Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:24 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Cc: sh8knj8k@... Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Time for a new chain According to their site, the RK tool that Jake bought (UCT4060) "combine(s) all the parts needed to break the chain, cut it to length and clip or rivet the connecting link." Doesn't it take three of Mike's tools to do that, i.e., the Rivet Tool, Chain Press Tool, and Chain Breaker Tool? Those total $77.00, versus $100 on "monthly special" from Sprocket Center (regularly $130). Didn't check tax/shipping, return policies, phase of moon etc., but it looks like Jake scored a nifty "Latched Plastic Box" for only $23.00! Actually, some might really prefer to pay more and get the neat little kit. Maybe the kind of guy who dials in his rivet flares... (Sorry Jake, couldn't help myself). RK Tools: http://www.rkexcelamerica.com/faq.html#tools Mike's: http://www.mikesxs.net/products-7.html?category_id=7.1 Sprocket Center: http://www.sprocketcenter.com/p/102321/monthly-special-rk-pro-chain-breaker-and-rivet-tool-kit.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Flower Jamie]

Oh crap, now I have to buy one...

On Feb 14, 2011, at 8:04 AM, Fred Hink wrote: > I am now stocking a chain breaking, press and riveting tool that sells for about $72. > This is the cheapest price I have found anywhere. > > Fred > http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > From: Flower Jamie > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 7:24 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Cc: sh8knj8k@... > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Time for a new chain > > According to their site, the RK tool that Jake bought (UCT4060) "combine(s) all the parts needed to break the chain, cut it to length and clip or rivet the connecting link." Doesn't it take three of Mike's tools to do that, i.e., the Rivet Tool, Chain Press Tool, and Chain Breaker Tool? Those total $77.00, versus $100 on "monthly special" from Sprocket Center (regularly $130). Didn't check tax/shipping, return policies, phase of moon etc., but it looks like Jake scored a nifty "Latched Plastic Box" for only $23.00! Actually, some might really prefer to pay more and get the neat little kit. Maybe the kind of guy who dials in his rivet flares... (Sorry Jake, couldn't help myself). > RK Tools: http://www.rkexcelamerica.com/faq.html#tools > Mike's: http://www.mikesxs.net/products-7.html?category_id=7.1 > Sprocket Center: http://www.sprocketcenter.com/p/102321/monthly-special-rk-pro-chain-breaker-and-rivet-tool-kit.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[kjedick]

I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any help would be appreciated! Colorado Ken

[dooden]

Might do yourself a huge favor, and call Fred at the shop, I will pretty much bet my next paycheck, you will get a correct reply and speedy shipping to boot. http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ Call Fred: 435-259-7356 Yes this is an endorsement, no it is not spam. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "kjedick" wrote: > > I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any help would be appreciated! > > Colorado Ken >

[Fred Hink]

Maybe I m not understanding the question here. Are you asking if any cheap chain is as good as a top of the line chain? Well then the answer would be definitely no. You need to look at lots of things but you can readily see that a cheaper chain is going to have a lower tensile strength which would mean that your chain will wear out or break faster than a better or stronger chain. The type of seals have a lot to do with the way a chain works too. An x-ring chain will have less drag bending around the sprockets and should keep your lubrication inside the chain and dirt outside better than an o-ring chain. Top of the line DiD x-ring chains are also plated so they should not rust like a non-plated chain would. All chains will come with a master link but better quality chains will come with a rivet type connector which some think is a stronger way to keep your master link together. (at least the manufacturers think so) So when you are comparing chain prices, be sure you are comparing apples to apples. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com From: kjedick Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:26 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Time for a new chain I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any help would be appreciated! Colorado Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 11:26 PM +0000 2/23/11, kjedick wrote: I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any help would be appreciated! I'm a tightwad, but a chain is where I won't go with a cheap brand. I run quality chains, usually from RK or DID. I will however, scour the internet for the best price on these. My last score was three top-o'-the-line 106-link RK XW rivet link chains for $47 each! BTW, if you're willing to do a little work, you can order a chain that's too long and cut it down if it means saving some money. I often have found 110 and 120 link chains on sale. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

The stock chain is an EK 520 SRO. With proper maintenance, you should get way more than 13,000 miles out of one though. When I replaced mine, I went with the RK XSO. Good reviews and decently priced. So far, so good. It comes with a clip master but they'll sell you a rivet master for a few bucks if you want one. I use a DID chain breaker / rivet tool since I'm too lazy to remove the swingarm to get the old continuous chain off. -Jeff Khoury From: "kjedick" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:26:18 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Time for a new chain I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any help would be appreciated! Colorado Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> > The stock chain is an EK 520 SRO. > > With proper maintenance, you should get way more than 13,000 miles out of one though. > > When I replaced mine, I went with the RK XSO. Good reviews and decently priced. So far, so good. It comes with a clip master but they'll sell you a rivet master for a few bucks if you want one. > > I use a DID chain breaker / rivet tool since I'm too lazy to remove the swingarm to get the old continuous chain off. > > -Jeff Khoury >

~~~I thought pretty much the same too, now if the chain hasn't been neglected, the one odd link that is binding may free up by brushing it up using diesel @ the OP...if you have not lubed your swingarm bushings yet, pull the swing arm off and get r done...the chain will come with it...put the chain in a clean oil drain pan and put some diesel fuel in there and clean well using a stiff parts cleaning brush. Just be mindful to not let the chain sit in the diesel for more than 40 minutes...if the chain sits in diesel for longer, you could very well destroy the bond the o-ring has keeping the diesel out, elimanating any factory lube left between the pins and rollers Now IMO, the OEM chain at 13 K miles in most instances is at least half worn out if not more so, all depending on how much maint it got, so it might not be a bad idea to replce the chain now, unless you're too broke to consider it. Speaking strictly for myself, I don't care to roll on suspect chains. I'd rather replace it. Let someone else carry the worry beads And if you do replace the chain, in regards to whicvh tyope of master link you think you should install (clip or rivet). go with the rivet, you'll thank me later. I'm surprised what with the amount of peeps here that install chains that go with clip master links, then you read about the clips coming off, then they had to walk 4 miles out of the woods and come back later for their bike ahving their buddy tow them out, or worse yet, install/fix that chain trailside. yes it can be done but why bother. let somone else handle the worry beads Now someone was recently claiming it's not necessary to install rivet type master links on your KLR unkless you are racing it. horse shit in the barn. i've broke down on a roadracing track. both times i had enough momentum to coast back into the pits. if not, there is a truck that comes by to pick up you and your bike (I raced CCS Fla. region 96'-99'). you don't have that luxury 4 miles into the woods. let someone else carry the worry beads. Installing a rivet type master link is not rocket science and you can buy a new caliper for $10 to measure the flare pin width. some want to make this out like it's difficult,. let them carry the worry beads Jake Reddick Fla. I may not agree with what you say... but if you say it with fewer words I'll try harder... http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/26137108@N04/

> > > From: "kjedick" > To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 3:26:18 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Time for a new chain > > > > > > > I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any help would be appreciated! > > Colorado Ken > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[RobertWichert]

So what does a top of the line DID X-Ring Double Throw-Down Rivet-Master-Blaster-Linker-Tinker Super-Duper chain cost and how do I get one? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng LEED AP +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ===============================================

On 2/23/2011 6:21 PM, Fred Hink wrote: > > Maybe I m not understanding the question here. Are you asking if any > cheap chain is as good as a top of the line chain? Well then the > answer would be definitely no. You need to look at lots of things but > you can readily see that a cheaper chain is going to have a lower > tensile strength which would mean that your chain will wear out or > break faster than a better or stronger chain. The type of seals have a > lot to do with the way a chain works too. An x-ring chain will have > less drag bending around the sprockets and should keep your > lubrication inside the chain and dirt outside better than an o-ring > chain. Top of the line DiD x-ring chains are also plated so they > should not rust like a non-plated chain would. All chains will come > with a master link but better quality chains will come with a rivet > type connector which some think is a stronger way to keep your master > link together. (at least the manufacturers think so) So when you are > comparing chain prices, be sure you are comparing apples to apples. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > From: kjedick > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:26 PM > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Time for a new chain > > I have a "09" KLR with 13000 smiles and it has a stiff link. I have > been looking on-line and found o-ring type chains ranging from 45 > dollars (ebay motopartswholesale) to 110 dollars (d.i.d). Both use a > master link. My question is does price really matter on this item? Any > help would be appreciated! > > Colorado Ken > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]