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[pmrbcant]

All, I'd appreciate comments from the group on this particular year model and price. A local car dealer in town has a 2008 KLR 650 that someone traded in on a car over the summer and they haven't been able to sell it. It only has 1600 miles on it, a few scratches on the brush(hand) guards, and appears to be in very good condition. There are a couple of small cuts in the seat fabric, but the mechanics of the bike appear to be sound. The bike has been kept inside the dealership but the battery has long since died. I saw the bike at the automotovie dealer over the summer and I stopped in today and was told they are now asking $3,900 for it. Seems like a great price, but a friend of mine told me that they sucked oil quite a bit. I'd appreciate comments from the group on this particular year model and price. Any areas of concerns or habitual problems? Miles

[Jeff Saline]

Miles, I'd suggest that bike might be worth more like $3,200 - 3,400. Some 08s were know to use oil. The easy fix is to install a 685 kit which will set you back about $400 for parts and machine work. Labor is extra whether it's you or someone else doing the work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . ____________________________________________________________ 1 Tip for Losing Weight Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d220aa05cde7a01f6bst06vuc

[RobertWichert]

There have been stories about oil use in '08s.  There may even be some admitted problems.  You should ask your local dealer.  Oil use doesn't bother me.  Oil is cheap. I don't know how you get cuts in a seat in 1600 miles.  Off road riding, maybe.  Are the tires stock, and look like 1600 miles (minimal wear)?  1600 miles is nothing.  Does CarFax do bikes?  No wrecks?  Is the title clear (not salvage-titled)?  All good things to check. I would NEVER buy a bike that I hadn't heard run, unless it was brand new from a dealer.  Get it started and listen to it.  Ride it too, if they let you.  Does it steer straight, no nasty wobbles.? Check the tire pressure first.  The price is no bargain.  For another $2,000 you could get a brand new one with a warranty, on credit. From www.kbb.com: Trade-In Value (Good Condition) $2645 From www.kbb.com: Suggested Retail Value $3865 According to Kelly Blue Book, you should talk them WAY down. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 1/3/2011 9:33 AM, pmrbcant wrote:   All, I'd appreciate comments from the group on this particular year model and price. A local car dealer in town has a 2008 KLR 650 that someone traded in on a car over the summer and they haven't been able to sell it. It only has 1600 miles on it, a few scratches on the brush(hand) guards, and appears to be in very good condition. There are a couple of small cuts in the seat fabric, but the mechanics of the bike appear to be sound. The bike has been kept inside the dealership but the battery has long since died. I saw the bike at the automotovie dealer over the summer and I stopped in today and was told they are now asking $3,900 for it. Seems like a great price, but a friend of mine told me that they sucked oil quite a bit. I'd appreciate comments from the group on this particular year model and price. Any areas of concerns or habitual problems? Miles

[RobertWichert]

Jeff, You don't "need" to go to 685 cc to get a new piston and bore, do you? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 1/3/2011 9:40 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:   Miles, I'd suggest that bike might be worth more like $3,200 - 3,400. Some 08s were know to use oil. The easy fix is to install a 685 kit which will set you back about $400 for parts and machine work. Labor is extra whether it's you or someone else doing the work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . __________________________________________________________ 1 Tip for Losing Weight Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d220aa05cde7a01f6bst06vuc

[RobertWichert]

Oh, maybe I missed the point.  My point was that in order to get a new piston, rings, barrel hone, and other "oil consumption" fixes, it should not be necessary to enlarge the displacement to 685 cc. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I'm sure the Schnitz parts are the best you can get. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 1/3/2011 10:10 AM, Cox, John wrote: Your question boils down to asking whether the Schnitz parts are worth the extra bucks.  I really can’t imagine anybody in the industrial world saying, “no.”

 

Unless it’s just a midwinter semantic poke

 

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]RobertWichert [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 03, 2011 9:57 AM [b]To:[/b] Jeff Saline [b]Cc:[/b] pmrbcant@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Question on buying a 08 KLR 650

 

 

Jeff, You don't "need" to go to 685 cc to get a new piston and bore, do you?     Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068                   ======================================================== On 1/3/2011 9:40 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:

 

Miles, I'd suggest that bike might be worth more like $3,200 - 3,400. Some 08s were know to use oil. The easy fix is to install a 685 kit which will set you back about $400 for parts and machine work. Labor is extra whether it's you or someone else doing the work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . __________________________________________________________ 1 Tip for Losing Weight Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d220aa05cde7a01f6bst06vuc

[Jeff Saline]

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[Fred Hink]

I would say your statement is correct.  I had conversations with a KLR Guru (not on this list) about this issue and his comments to me was that he thought the problem had to do with the design of the stock cylinder sleeve.  He said that this sleeve is only supported in the cylinder from the top and bottom and nothing in the middle.  He believes that the cylinder sleeve will eventually distort therefore causing the oil consumption.  Reboring this cylinder will make the bore round again and stop the oil consumption but how long the cylinder will stay round is anyone s guess.  Going to an oversized piston and making the cylinder sleeve even thinner surely can t help keep the cylinder round over the long haul.  I believe this is all conjecture and no scientific data has been collected, but this does make for some interesting discussions.   Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com   [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 03, 2011 12:04 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... [b]Cc:[/b] salinej1@... ; pmrbcant@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Question on buying a 08 KLR 650     Oh, maybe I missed the point.  My point was that in order to get a new piston, rings, barrel hone, and other "oil consumption" fixes, it should not be necessary to enlarge the displacement to 685 cc. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I'm sure the Schnitz parts are the best you can get. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ======================================================== On 1/3/2011 10:10 AM, Cox, John wrote:

#ygrps-yiv-582773071 v\00003a* {} #ygrps-yiv-582773071 o\00003a* {} #ygrps-yiv-582773071 w\00003a* {} #ygrps-yiv-582773071 .ygrps-yiv-582773071shape {} Your question boils down to asking whether the Schnitz parts are worth the extra bucks.  I really can t imagine anybody in the industrial world saying, no.

Unless it s just a midwinter semantic poke

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]RobertWichert [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 03, 2011 9:57 AM [b]To:[/b] Jeff Saline [b]Cc:[/b] pmrbcant@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Question on buying a 08 KLR 650

 

Jeff, You don't "need" to go to 685 cc to get a new piston and bore, do you?    Robert P. Wichert P.Eng+1 916 966 9060FAX +1 916 966 9068                  ======================================================== On 1/3/2011 9:40 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:

 

Miles, I'd suggest that bike might be worth more like $3,200 - 3,400. Some 08s were know to use oil. The easy fix is to install a 685 kit which will set you back about $400 for parts and machine work. Labor is extra whether it's you or someone else doing the work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . __________________________________________________________ 1 Tip for Losing Weight Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d220aa05cde7a01f6bst06vuc

[RobertWichert]

Whoa! You mean that the Schnitz barrel is a different configuration? Wow. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 1/3/2011 11:46 AM, Fred Hink wrote: I would say your statement is correct. I had conversations with a KLR Guru (not on this list) about this issue and his comments to me was that he thought the problem had to do with the design of the stock cylinder sleeve. He said that this sleeve is only supported in the cylinder from the top and bottom and nothing in the middle. He believes that the cylinder sleeve will eventually distort therefore causing the oil consumption. Reboring this cylinder will make the bore round again and stop the oil consumption but how long the cylinder will stay round is anyone s guess. Going to an oversized piston and making the cylinder sleeve even thinner surely can t help keep the cylinder round over the long haul. I believe this is all conjecture and no scientific data has been collected, but this does make for some interesting discussions. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com [b]From:[/b] robert@... [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 03, 2011 12:04 PM [b]To:[/b] John.Cox@... [b]Cc:[/b] salinej1@... ; pmrbcant@... ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Question on buying a 08 KLR 650 Oh, maybe I missed the point. My point was that in order to get a new piston, rings, barrel hone, and other "oil consumption" fixes, it should not be necessary to enlarge the displacement to 685 cc. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I'm sure the Schnitz parts are the best you can get. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ======================================================== On 1/3/2011 10:10 AM, Cox, John wrote: #ygrps-yiv-672334591 v\00003a* {} #ygrps-yiv-672334591 o\00003a* {} #ygrps-yiv-672334591 w\00003a* {} #ygrps-yiv-672334591 .ygrps-yiv-672334591shape {} Your question boils down to asking whether the Schnitz parts are worth the extra bucks. I really can t imagine anybody in the industrial world saying, no.

Unless it s just a midwinter semantic poke

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]RobertWichert [b]Sent:[/b] Monday, January 03, 2011 9:57 AM [b]To:[/b] Jeff Saline [b]Cc:[/b] pmrbcant@...; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] Question on buying a 08 KLR 650

Jeff, You don't "need" to go to 685 cc to get a new piston and bore, do you? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ======================================================== On 1/3/2011 9:40 AM, Jeff Saline wrote:

Miles, I'd suggest that bike might be worth more like $3,200 - 3,400. Some 08s were know to use oil. The easy fix is to install a 685 kit which will set you back about $400 for parts and machine work. Labor is extra whether it's you or someone else doing the work. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . __________________________________________________________ 1 Tip for Losing Weight Cut down 2 lbs per week by using this 1 weird old tip http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d220aa05cde7a01f6bst06vuc

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:51:07 -0800 RobertWichert writes: Whoa!  You mean that the Schnitz barrel is a different configuration?    Wow. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng <><><><><><> <><><><><><>   Robert,   I haven't seen anyone reply so thought I'd try.   As best I understand it Schnitz only sells a sleeve for the 705 kit.  To use the sleeve it requires the cylinder to be bore to size to accept the sleeve.  I think but don't know for sure that using a 705 sleeve works with any KLR cylinder as the original Kawasaki sleeve is removed and then replaced with the Schnitz 705 sleeve.  Once the 705 sleeve has been installed it must be bored to size for the piston that will be used.  I am just guessing that there is enough metal in the 705 sleeve to allow it to be used for maybe a stock piston or 685 piston.  I also recall that when doing a 705 set up there is a clearance issue with a coolant passage in the cylinder and some grinding must take place to allow proper coolant flow.  I don't know if that's just for the 705 set up or for the sleeve in general.   I think you can learn more at the Schnitz Racing site.  I haven't been there in a long time so don't know what's on the site now.   Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412  South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT . . ____________________________________________________________ [b]Moms Asked to Return to School[/b] Grant Funding May Be Available to Those That Qualify. SeeCollegeDegrees.com

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, RobertWichert wrote:

>Massive SNIP> > The price is no bargain. For another $2,000 you could get a brand new > one with a warranty, on credit. > > > From www.kbb.com: Trade-In Value (Good Condition) $2645 > > From www.kbb.com: Suggested Retail Value $3865 > > According to Kelly Blue Book, you should talk them WAY down. > > > > Robert P. Wichert P.Eng > +1 916 966 9060 > FAX +1 916 966 9068 >

One more data-point for consideration: NADA values http://www.nadaguides.com/Motorcycles/2008/Kawasaki/KL650E8F-KLR-650-651cc/Standard-Equipment Low Retail = $2,755 Avg Retail = $3,625 If you drive off the lot and destroy it the same day, which value will the insurance company pay? I also would suggest that the car dealer has less than $2755 (real money) in it...and don't let him suggest, 'I'll show you the trade value I paid.' That is a suckers game. Do not get over anxious. smile. This time a year?...why pay more than 'low retail?' The historical problems of 08's cannot easily be overlooked. An oil burner, if it is an oil burner, will only get worse. You might get lucky. Maybe it is not an oil burner. But, maybe it is. shrug. As Jeff suggested, if you get it cheap enough, it won't matter. You can afford to 685 mod and still be right side up on the price. If you pay retail+, and the bike is an oil burner, oh, brother, where art thou.... It has been my observation, a KLR650 loses about $400-$500 retail value per year @ less than 1000miles/year; more if it has been beat on. In the poor economy, I watched while some lost as much as $1000/year and still did not sell. Overall, it is still a buyers market. Ride the bike. Deceide what you will pay Get the dealers email, send him a bid. Give him a dead line = 24 to 48 hours to respond. /see how it goes.... revmaaatin.