gas - probably as bad as a oil thread

[RobertWichert]

The KLR weighs too much for me and carries the weight too high too.  I lowered it two inches with links, and some are telling me it will bottom out but I put on a big ass bash plate and I'm hoping for the best. The first indication that I might have done the right thing was when it started to tip over in the driveway and I WAS ABLE TO CATCH IT BY THE ONE HANDLEBAR AND SAVE IT.  This was impossible before, trust me.  Once it started to go, it was gone.  Tippy tippy tippy. Maybe if the fuel tank was in the swing arm.  Would that work? Air cooled would be better, really. Wanna sell that Hodaka? Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 10/31/2010 7:03 AM, roncriswell@... wrote:   As an old dirtbike rider like probably most of you are, I get so tired of when the so called next big adventure comes out (emphasis on big). Isn't every bike an adventure? The only adventure you might experience on the Yamaha Tenere is when if you are so stupid to take it down a deep gravel road, a muddy road, a talcum powder sandy road and have to pick the big turd up by yourself. I get hooked into these things every time a new one comes out (until I read the weight). To me weight is everything on a bike that is supposed to be able to go anywhere. You can get away with a bad suspension, under powered the lighter the bike is. I know, I still went more hard rough places on my 100 cc Hodaka than any other bike I have owned and I have had more powerful better suspentioned dirt bikes. I keep waiting for somebody to make a better KLR or Suzuki DR 650. Something under 300 pounds single cylinder with maybe 50 torquey ponies with a great suspension, 4 gallon or so tank, and a comfortable seat. Nine gallon tank, I don't want, 100 high reving ponies I don't need. I had to laugh when the guy that wrote about the Tenere said he went on a 3 day 600 mile trip. WHOOO HOO! I hate to tell him I have done numerous 500 - 600 - and 700 mile days on my KLR (with a Corbin). I have had it up around 100 mph on full 606 knobbies. The only time the power hasn't been adequate was passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft. altitude. If the Japanes might build something like the V twin Aprllia dirt bikes with a 4 gallon tank and a comfy seat I might spring for it, but the Tenre, the Multistrada, the KTM 990 or the Beemer GS's, no thanks. The old air head GS Beemrs would be the closest to getting mild interest but still way too heavy and big. I had to laugh once when I rode to Big Bend once on a very windy cold weekend from Dallas with a friend that has the Big Beemer that is like a a Gold Wing with heated grips, CD player and air suspension who was ready to quit after 300 miles. Woosey. And remeber the guys on the big Beemers on the Long Way Around trip with backup parts and film crew in that deep mud? I had to laugh. I just read a book recently about a guy riding from Mexico to Ushuaia Argentina on a 125 air cooled single cylinder Honda. Smart man it my book. Anybody know if Seafoam makes a bike run leaner? A friend with a Honda Shadow let it sit up too long and I told him to use Seafoam which he did at maybe double what he should. He started it and the pipes got glowing red hot so he shut it off. This bike is a bike he bought at one of those auctions with after market loud pipes and probably isn't jetted correctly. Another friend says Seafoam will make it run lean???? Criswell

[spike55_bmw]

I received a call from my one local riding buddy that he put in his deposit for the Tenere. It'll be $12,300 with everything and he is around the 300th person to order one that will be built for the USA market. He rides a '05 KLR and will keep it but is selling his 4 yr old V-Strum 650 with 90,000 miles (from Pennsylvania, trips to Colorado, Iron Butt runs down south, etc added up in a short period of time). Says that if all goes well, he'll be riding it in May / June 2011. No KLR vs. Tenere - He'll have both. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@..." wrote: > > As an old dirtbike rider like probably most of you are, I get so tired of when the so called next big adventure comes out (emphasis on big). Isn't every bike an adventure? The only adventure you might experience on the Yamaha Tenere is when if you are so stupid to take it down a deep gravel road, a muddy road, a talcum powder sandy road and have to pick the big turd up by yourself. I get hooked into these things every time a new one comes out (until I read the weight). To me weight is everything on a bike that is supposed to be able to go anywhere. You can get away with a bad suspension, under powered the lighter the bike is. I know, I still went more hard rough places on my 100 cc Hodaka than any other bike I have owned and I have had more powerful better suspentioned dirt bikes. I keep waiting for somebody to make a better KLR or Suzuki DR 650. Something under 300 pounds single cylinder with maybe 50 torquey ponies with a great suspension, 4 gallon or so tank, and a comfortable seat. Nine gallon tank, I don't want, 100 high reving ponies I don't need. I had to laugh when the guy that wrote about the Tenere said he went on a 3 day 600 mile trip. WHOOO HOO! I hate to tell him I have done numerous 500 - 600 - and 700 mile days on my KLR (with a Corbin). I have had it up around 100 mph on full 606 knobbies. The only time the power hasn't been adequate was passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft. altitude. If the Japanes might build something like the V twin Aprllia dirt bikes with a 4 gallon tank and a comfy seat I might spring for it, but the Tenre, the Multistrada, the KTM 990 or the Beemer GS's, no thanks. The old air head GS Beemrs would be the closest to getting mild interest but still way too heavy and big. I had to laugh once when I rode to Big Bend once on a very windy cold weekend from Dallas with a friend that has the Big Beemer that is like a a Gold Wing with heated grips, CD player and air suspension who was ready to quit after 300 miles. Woosey. And remeber the guys on the big Beemers on the Long Way Around trip with backup parts and film crew in that deep mud? I had to laugh. I just read a book recently about a guy riding from Mexico to Ushuaia Argentina on a 125 air cooled single cylinder Honda. > Smart man it my book. > > Anybody know if Seafoam makes a bike run leaner? A friend with a Honda Shadow let it sit up too long and I told him to use Seafoam which he did at maybe double what he should. He started it and the pipes got glowing red hot so he shut it off. This bike is a bike he bought at one of those auctions with after market loud pipes and probably isn't jetted correctly. Another friend says Seafoam will make it run lean???? > > Criswell >

[stuart sullivan]

Criswell you have my vote i was thinking the same thing the other day,love my KLR but ultimately It's to big,the Suzuki DRZ 400 would work with a lower seat height and bigger tank,something in the 350 to 500cc range with the features we all want. You have to figure that some of the boffins read these sites and the lite might go on and realize we're not all 6ft plus and imbued with super human powers,then again they sell enough bikes that it doesn't matter to them,let the aftermarket worry about seat height, bigger tanks, and so on. I'm thinking of dropping down to a Kawi Super Sherpa or one of the other smaller cc bikes,my only concern is highway speed with a load on and flogging a small motor for miles at a time,i to thought about the big adventure tourers but thinking of taking them even where i take my KLR would be a real stretch,i suppose riding skill comes into the equation somewhere also as in if you are in the expert category bigger might not matter so much,i consider myself reasonably skilled at 65 but trying to pick up a bike after a little misfortune need i say more,I'm not expecting to see what i need before the piper makes his call but one can always hope.                                                                                               Stu. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: spike55_bmw@... Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 07:54:27 +0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR vereses the Yamaha Tenere   I received a call from my one local riding buddy that he put in his deposit for the Tenere. It'll be $12,300 with everything and he is around the 300th person to order one that will be built for the USA market. He rides a '05 KLR and will keep it but is selling his 4 yr old V-Strum 650 with 90,000 miles (from Pennsylvania, trips to Colorado, Iron Butt runs down south, etc added up in a short period of time). Says that if all goes well, he'll be riding it in May / June 2011. No KLR vs. Tenere - He'll have both. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@..." wrote: > > As an old dirtbike rider like probably most of you are, I get so tired of when the so called next big adventure comes out (emphasis on big). Isn't every bike an adventure? The only adventure you might experience on the Yamaha Tenere is when if you are so stupid to take it down a deep gravel road, a muddy road, a talcum powder sandy road and have to pick the big turd up by yourself. I get hooked into these things every time a new one comes out (until I read the weight). To me weight is everything on a bike that is supposed to be able to go anywhere. You can get away with a bad suspension, under powered the lighter the bike is. I know, I still went more hard rough places on my 100 cc Hodaka than any other bike I have owned and I have had more powerful better suspentioned dirt bikes. I keep waiting for somebody to make a better KLR or Suzuki DR 650. Something under 300 pounds single cylinder with maybe 50 torquey ponies with a great suspension, 4 gallon or so tank, and a comfortable seat. Nine gallon tank, I don't want, 100 high reving ponies I don't need. I had to laugh when the guy that wrote about the Tenere said he went on a 3 day 600 mile trip. WHOOO HOO! I hate to tell him I have done numerous 500 - 600 - and 700 mile days on my KLR (with a Corbin). I have had it up around 100 mph on full 606 knobbies. The only time the power hasn't been adequate was passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft. altitude. If the Japanes might build something like the V twin Aprllia dirt bikes with a 4 gallon tank and a comfy seat I might spring for it, but the Tenre, the Multistrada, the KTM 990 or the Beemer GS's, no thanks. The old air head GS Beemrs would be the closest to getting mild interest but still way too heavy and big. I had to laugh once when I rode to Big Bend once on a very windy cold weekend from Dallas with a friend that has the Big Beemer that is like a a Gold Wing with heated grips, CD player and air suspension who was ready to quit after 300 miles. Woosey. And remeber the guys on the big Beemers on the Long Way Around trip with backup parts and film crew in that deep mud? I had to laugh. I just read a book recently about a guy riding from Mexico to Ushuaia Argentina on a 125 air cooled single cylinder Honda. > Smart man it my book. > > Anybody know if Seafoam makes a bike run leaner? A friend with a Honda Shadow let it sit up too long and I told him to use Seafoam which he did at maybe double what he should. He started it and the pipes got glowing red hot so he shut it off. This bike is a bike he bought at one of those auctions with after market loud pipes and probably isn't jetted correctly. Another friend says Seafoam will make it run lean???? > > Criswell >

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[Jeff Saline]

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[Jeff Saline]

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[Russell Scott]

Yep, I think I have found my next ride.  They got some nice tech on the Tenere.  A beemer killer.  And now I can take the wife along if she is so inclined.

 

R

 

[b]From:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] [b]On Behalf Of [/b]spike55_bmw [b]Sent:[/b] Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:54 AM [b]To:[/b] DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [b]Subject:[/b] [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR vereses the Yamaha Tenere

 

 

I received a call from my one local riding buddy that he put in his deposit for the Tenere. It'll be $12,300 with everything and he is around the 300th person to order one that will be built for the USA market. He rides a '05 KLR and will keep it but is selling his 4 yr old V-Strum 650 with 90,000 miles (from Pennsylvania, trips to Colorado, Iron Butt runs down south, etc added up in a short period of time). Says that if all goes well, he'll be riding it in May / June 2011. No KLR vs. Tenere - He'll have both. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "roncriswell@..." wrote: > > As an old dirtbike rider like probably most of you are, I get so tired of when the so called next big adventure comes out (emphasis on big). Isn't every bike an adventure? The only adventure you might experience on the Yamaha Tenere is when if you are so stupid to take it down a deep gravel road, a muddy road, a talcum powder sandy road and have to pick the big turd up by yourself. I get hooked into these things every time a new one comes out (until I read the weight). To me weight is everything on a bike that is supposed to be able to go anywhere. You can get away with a bad suspension, under powered the lighter the bike is. I know, I still went more hard rough places on my 100 cc Hodaka than any other bike I have owned and I have had more powerful better suspentioned dirt bikes. I keep waiting for somebody to make a better KLR or Suzuki DR 650. Something under 300 pounds single cylinder with maybe 50 torquey ponies with a great suspension, 4 gallon or so tank, and a c omfortable seat. Nine gallon tank, I don't want, 100 high reving ponies I don't need. I had to laugh when the guy that wrote about the Tenere said he went on a 3 day 600 mile trip. WHOOO HOO! I hate to tell him I have done numerous 500 - 600 - and 700 mile days on my KLR (with a Corbin). I have had it up around 100 mph on full 606 knobbies. The only time the power hasn't been adequate was passing a double logging truck in Mexico at 7000 ft. altitude. If the Japanes might build something like the V twin Aprllia dirt bikes with a 4 gallon tank and a comfy seat I might spring for it, but the Tenre, the Multistrada, the KTM 990 or the Beemer GS's, no thanks. The old air head GS Beemrs would be the closest to getting mild interest but still way too heavy and big. I had to laugh once when I rode to Big Bend once on a very windy cold weekend from Dallas with a friend that has the Big Beemer that is like a a Gold Wing with heated grips, CD player and air suspension who was ready to quit after 300 miles. Woosey. And remeber the guys on the big Beemers on the Long Way Around trip with backup parts and film crew in that deep mud? I had to laugh. I just read a book recently about a guy riding from Mexico to Ushuaia Argentina on a 125 air cooled single cylinder Honda. > Smart man it my book. > > Anybody know if Seafoam makes a bike run leaner? A friend with a Honda Shadow let it sit up too long and I told him to use Seafoam which he did at maybe double what he should. He started it and the pipes got glowing red hot so he shut it off. This bike is a bike he bought at one of those auctions with after market loud pipes and probably isn't jetted correctly. Another friend says Seafoam will make it run lean???? > > Criswell >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, stuart sullivan wrote: SNIP > I'm thinking of dropping down to a Kawi Super Sherpa or one of the other smaller cc bikes,my only concern is highway speed with a load on and flogging a small motor for miles at a time, SNIP Stu. Stu- I don't think/remember you were on the list summer 2009 when I rode a KLR 250 1750ish miles from Northeast PA to central South Dakota in 5 days. (1997 KLR 250 with 975 miles.) You have the right concerns. smile. Here are my thoughts.... I was at first a little perplexed at the distance and size of the bike. then thought, most of the moto's in the world are 250 or less and go thousands of miles. Why should it be any different here? It really is the journey not the destination. In conversation with Judd Jones, he refereed to it as 'minimalist motorcycling'. I had a minimal motorcycle buy I had enough gear to tent and repair; didn't tent, but I did have a pin hole leak in a fuel tank. I think the true secret to riding a small bike long distance to to pick roads that are suitable for the bike. I-80?, ah no. Yes it will take longer, but damage to the bike at high rpms takes even longer. During my trip: I was on a short stretch in OHIO/US30 road where the speed limit was 65, the rest was all posted at 55mph. I rode that at 60mph and the rest of the time I rode at 55mph. As a side note, I looked at tach red-line, used 75-80% of red line as my sustainable rpm. = 60ish mph/gps. OTOH- There were sections of PA where I was lucky to go 30 mph going up hill. shrug. We got there. all that = don't flog the bike, pick another road. The DeLorme topo maps will give you lots of alternatives. Sometimes there are alternatives, sometimes there is not. After posting my short RR, many answered privately they had gone several 100 miles on a Honda XR125/250 as a riding companion with their dads. smile. I had bought this KLR250 (2009) so my 13 y/o son could make a trip with me this last summer (=2010; we rode 2527 miles in 12 days)when he was 14; note--South Dakota licenses at age 14 (and was MSF qualified). Pre trip planning/conditioning-training: We logged ~1500 miles of KLR250 riding, then over the winter, the 'lil fella grew 6 inches after I bought the 250. Now--suddenly, 6weeks before we depart, he flat foots a 650 just fine. So, we logged some 500 miles of 650 time for him and left on 650's instead of a 650 and a 250 combination. Considering his age and experience, we averaged 200 miles a day, never more than 300 in one day as I recall. Which brings up the point: if you group ride, most of the bikes/riders should be of the same capability, or it will cause some cross feelings. Even when the bikes are equally capable, some will want to ride FAST and some will be plodding along. shrug. During 2008, 4 of us started together on the GDR and by 10am on the 3rd day, we had a 'divorce' as two wanted to burn it up WOT, and I wanted to go a little slower. We split into two teams of two; All had a reasonably good time, except for the Chuck's broken foot, John's fractured ankle, my sprained ankle, and John's blown clutch. Chuck later sustained a blood clot in his lung from the broken foot. Perhaps a little to much excitement. As I have gotten older and stiffer, I find the 250 to be just as much fun as the 650, and if I fall down riding the 250 (which I have not), there is 100# less to pick up than with the 650 when I fall down (which I do). While you are considering bikes, and it may not be a big deal now, but an electric start is 'nice' to have. In the ride reports before there was a Kawi KLX250, the primary complaint against the KLR250, it was the only bike in the comparison that was kick-start. Admitedly, it is also taller and heavier than some of the others. shrug. I like the Kawi product/price. Some of the 4 year old KLX250's are dirt cheap. revmaaatin.

[ron criswell]

Rev I could not agree more. Minimalist bikes I like. Unless you like riding the Interstates being blown around by trucks and looking at the back of them, you don't really have to ride at 80 mph. 60 is kind of nice on scenic backroads with no trucks. I got my latest Motorcylist mag today with the Multistrada / BMW R1 GS match with photos getting air over moderate gravel roads. The Multistrada was rated at 129 ponies.Should I repeat? Should I belch or Throw up? Big is not always better. Er .....one of the things I have liked about Harlies is they are simple....really. Ducatis aren't nor are the latest Beemers. God long for the day of say a simple, durable bike like say a CB 350 that is cheap, light and would go almost anywhere. Sorta like Southwest airlines, no-frills and none to impress at the local biker bar hangout. CriswellSent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:45 PM, "revmaaatin" wrote:

  --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, stuart sullivan wrote: SNIP > I'm thinking of dropping down to a Kawi Super Sherpa or one of the other smaller cc bikes,my only concern is highway speed with a load on and flogging a small motor for miles at a time, SNIP Stu. Stu- I don't think/remember you were on the list summer 2009 when I rode a KLR 250 1750ish miles from Northeast PA to central South Dakota in 5 days. (1997 KLR 250 with 975 miles.) You have the right concerns. smile. Here are my thoughts.... I was at first a little perplexed at the distance and size of the bike. then thought, most of the moto's in the world are 250 or less and go thousands of miles. Why should it be any different here? It really is the journey not the destination. In conversation with Judd Jones, he refereed to it as 'minimalist motorcycling'. I had a minimal motorcycle buy I had enough gear to tent and repair; didn't tent, but I did have a pin hole leak in a fuel tank. I think the true secret to riding a small bike long distance to to pick roads that are suitable for the bike. I-80?, ah no. Yes it will take longer, but damage to the bike at high rpms takes even longer. During my trip: I was on a short stretch in OHIO/US30 road where the speed limit was 65, the rest was all posted at 55mph. I rode that at 60mph and the rest of the time I rode at 55mph. As a side note, I looked at tach red-line, used 75-80% of red line as my sustainable rpm. = 60ish mph/gps. OTOH- There were sections of PA where I was lucky to go 30 mph going up hill. shrug. We got there. all that = don't flog the bike, pick another road. The DeLorme topo maps will give you lots of alternatives. Sometimes there are alternatives, sometimes there is not. After posting my short RR, many answered privately they had gone several 100 miles on a Honda XR125/250 as a riding companion with their dads. smile. I had bought this KLR250 (2009) so my 13 y/o son could make a trip with me this last summer (=2010; we rode 2527 miles in 12 days)when he was 14; note--South Dakota licenses at age 14 (and was MSF qualified). Pre trip planning/conditioning-training: We logged ~1500 miles of KLR250 riding, then over the winter, the 'lil fella grew 6 inches after I bought the 250. Now--suddenly, 6weeks before we depart, he flat foots a 650 just fine. So, we logged some 500 miles of 650 time for him and left on 650's instead of a 650 and a 250 combination. Considering his age and experience, we averaged 200 miles a day, never more than 300 in one day as I recall. Which brings up the point: if you group ride, most of the bikes/riders should be of the same capability, or it will cause some cross feelings. Even when the bikes are equally capable, some will want to ride FAST and some will be plodding along. shrug. During 2008, 4 of us started together on the GDR and by 10am on the 3rd day, we had a 'divorce' as two wanted to burn it up WOT, and I wanted to go a little slower. We split into two teams of two; All had a reasonably good time, except for the Chuck's broken foot, John's fractured ankle, my sprained ankle, and John's blown clutch. Chuck later sustained a blood clot in his lung from the broken foot. Perhaps a little to much excitement. As I have gotten older and stiffer, I find the 250 to be just as much fun as the 650, and if I fall down riding the 250 (which I have not), there is 100# less to pick up than with the 650 when I fall down (which I do). While you are considering bikes, and it may not be a big deal now, but an electric start is 'nice' to have. In the ride reports before there was a Kawi KLX250, the primary complaint against the KLR250, it was the only bike in the comparison that was kick-start. Admitedly, it is also taller and heavier than some of the others. shrug. I like the Kawi product/price. Some of the 4 year old KLX250's are dirt cheap. revmaaatin.

[Jud]

Two words; DR350SE Light, simple, electric start, 6 speeds, 70mph cruise in good conditions. Like everything else, it needs a seat and a gas tank. They are a little thin on the ground these days, but they are still around. Shelly paid $1300 for a pretty nice one. I have led a few big groups on 650s around, and don't have any trouble staying out of their way. I think I'll go ride it tomorrow.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Rev I could not agree more. Minimalist bikes I like. Unless you like riding the Interstates being blown around by trucks and looking at the back of them, you don't really have to ride at 80 mph. 60 is kind of nice on scenic backroads with no trucks. I got my latest Motorcylist mag today with the Multistrada / BMW R1 GS match with photos getting air over moderate gravel roads. The Multistrada was rated at 129 ponies.Should I repeat? Should I belch or Throw up? Big is not always better. Er .....one of the things I have liked about Harlies is they are simple....really. Ducatis aren't nor are the latest Beemers. > > God long for the day of say a simple, durable bike like say a CB 350 that is cheap, light and would go almost anywhere. Sorta like Southwest airlines, no-frills and none to impress at the local biker bar hangout. > > Criswell > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:45 PM, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, stuart sullivan wrote: > > > > SNIP > > > I'm thinking of dropping down to a Kawi Super Sherpa or one of the other smaller cc bikes,my only concern is highway speed with a load on and flogging a small motor for miles at a time, > > SNIP Stu. > > > > Stu- > > I don't think/remember you were on the list summer 2009 when I rode a KLR 250 1750ish miles from Northeast PA to central South Dakota in 5 days. (1997 KLR 250 with 975 miles.) You have the right concerns. smile. Here are my thoughts.... > > > > I was at first a little perplexed at the distance and size of the bike. then thought, most of the moto's in the world are 250 or less and go thousands of miles. > > Why should it be any different here? > > It really is the journey not the destination. > > In conversation with Judd Jones, he refereed to it as 'minimalist motorcycling'. I had a minimal motorcycle buy I had enough gear to tent and repair; didn't tent, but I did have a pin hole leak in a fuel tank. > > > > I think the true secret to riding a small bike long distance to to pick roads that are suitable for the bike. > > I-80?, ah no. > > Yes it will take longer, but damage to the bike at high rpms takes even longer. During my trip: > > I was on a short stretch in OHIO/US30 road where the speed limit was 65, the rest was all posted at 55mph. I rode that at 60mph and the rest of the time I rode at 55mph. As a side note, I looked at tach red-line, used 75-80% of red line as my sustainable rpm. = 60ish mph/gps. > > OTOH- > > There were sections of PA where I was lucky to go 30 mph going up hill. shrug. We got there. > > > > all that = don't flog the bike, pick another road. The DeLorme topo maps will give you lots of alternatives. Sometimes there are alternatives, sometimes there is not. > > > > After posting my short RR, many answered privately they had gone several 100 miles on a Honda XR125/250 as a riding companion with their dads. smile. > > > > I had bought this KLR250 (2009) so my 13 y/o son could make a trip with me this last summer (=2010; we rode 2527 miles in 12 days)when he was 14; note--South Dakota licenses at age 14 (and was MSF qualified). > > > > Pre trip planning/conditioning-training: We logged ~1500 miles of KLR250 riding, then over the winter, the 'lil fella grew 6 inches after I bought the 250. Now--suddenly, 6weeks before we depart, he flat foots a 650 just fine. So, we logged some 500 miles of 650 time for him and left on 650's instead of a 650 and a 250 combination. Considering his age and experience, we averaged 200 miles a day, never more than 300 in one day as I recall. > > > > Which brings up the point: if you group ride, most of the bikes/riders should be of the same capability, or it will cause some cross feelings. Even when the bikes are equally capable, some will want to ride FAST and some will be plodding along. shrug. > > During 2008, 4 of us started together on the GDR and by 10am on the 3rd day, we had a 'divorce' as two wanted to burn it up WOT, and I wanted to go a little slower. > > > > We split into two teams of two; All had a reasonably good time, except for the Chuck's broken foot, John's fractured ankle, my sprained ankle, and John's blown clutch. Chuck later sustained a blood clot in his lung from the broken foot. Perhaps a little to much excitement. > > > > As I have gotten older and stiffer, I find the 250 to be just as much fun as the 650, and if I fall down riding the 250 (which I have not), there is 100# less to pick up than with the 650 when I fall down (which I do). > > > > While you are considering bikes, and it may not be a big deal now, but an electric start is 'nice' to have. In the ride reports before there was a Kawi KLX250, the primary complaint against the KLR250, it was the only bike in the comparison that was kick-start. Admitedly, it is also taller and heavier than some of the others. > > shrug. > > I like the Kawi product/price. Some of the 4 year old KLX250's are dirt cheap. > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > >

[stuart sullivan]

Thanks Rev you pretty well summed up what i was thinking but low and behold i was reading one of my back issues of Motor cyclist(May 2009) and they had a comparo of the new KLR and the BMW G650GS,while the KLR came out on top for price and off road ability the beemer had what I've been looking for,a little more torque on the bottom end and low seat height,you can order the bike with a seat height of just 29.5 ins, can you say nirvana for us vertically challenged. Anyhow I'm contemplating on going up the Alaska HWY the Dempster to us Canucks and as I'm half way there in Northern British Columbia hear i might as well go for it,my the KLR is already set up to do that but seat height is still my main concern so i might have to look on Craigs List or ebay for the Beemer,just what i need another bike,have four already and age and time means not nearly enough time to ride them all hear in Canada",Sigh".                                                                                                                       Stu. To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com From: judjonzz@... Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 01:40:18 +0000 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: KLR vereses the Yamaha Tenere   Two words; DR350SE Light, simple, electric start, 6 speeds, 70mph cruise in good conditions. Like everything else, it needs a seat and a gas tank. They are a little thin on the ground these days, but they are still around. Shelly paid $1300 for a pretty nice one. I have led a few big groups on 650s around, and don't have any trouble staying out of their way. I think I'll go ride it tomorrow.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Ron Criswell wrote: > > Rev I could not agree more. Minimalist bikes I like. Unless you like riding the Interstates being blown around by trucks and looking at the back of them, you don't really have to ride at 80 mph. 60 is kind of nice on scenic backroads with no trucks. I got my latest Motorcylist mag today with the Multistrada / BMW R1 GS match with photos getting air over moderate gravel roads. The Multistrada was rated at 129 ponies.Should I repeat? Should I belch or Throw up? Big is not always better. Er .....one of the things I have liked about Harlies is they are simple....really. Ducatis aren't nor are the latest Beemers. > > God long for the day of say a simple, durable bike like say a CB 350 that is cheap, light and would go almost anywhere. Sorta like Southwest airlines, no-frills and none to impress at the local biker bar hangout. > > Criswell > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:45 PM, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, stuart sullivan wrote: > > > > SNIP > > > I'm thinking of dropping down to a Kawi Super Sherpa or one of the other smaller cc bikes,my only concern is highway speed with a load on and flogging a small motor for miles at a time, > > SNIP Stu. > > > > Stu- > > I don't think/remember you were on the list summer 2009 when I rode a KLR 250 1750ish miles from Northeast PA to central South Dakota in 5 days. (1997 KLR 250 with 975 miles.) You have the right concerns. smile. Here are my thoughts.... > > > > I was at first a little perplexed at the distance and size of the bike. then thought, most of the moto's in the world are 250 or less and go thousands of miles. > > Why should it be any different here? > > It really is the journey not the destination. > > In conversation with Judd Jones, he refereed to it as 'minimalist motorcycling'. I had a minimal motorcycle buy I had enough gear to tent and repair; didn't tent, but I did have a pin hole leak in a fuel tank. > > > > I think the true secret to riding a small bike long distance to to pick roads that are suitable for the bike. > > I-80?, ah no. > > Yes it will take longer, but damage to the bike at high rpms takes even longer. During my trip: > > I was on a short stretch in OHIO/US30 road where the speed limit was 65, the rest was all posted at 55mph. I rode that at 60mph and the rest of the time I rode at 55mph. As a side note, I looked at tach red-line, used 75-80% of red line as my sustainable rpm. = 60ish mph/gps. > > OTOH- > > There were sections of PA where I was lucky to go 30 mph going up hill. shrug. We got there. > > > > all that = don't flog the bike, pick another road. The DeLorme topo maps will give you lots of alternatives. Sometimes there are alternatives, sometimes there is not. > > > > After posting my short RR, many answered privately they had gone several 100 miles on a Honda XR125/250 as a riding companion with their dads. smile. > > > > I had bought this KLR250 (2009) so my 13 y/o son could make a trip with me this last summer (=2010; we rode 2527 miles in 12 days)when he was 14; note--South Dakota licenses at age 14 (and was MSF qualified). > > > > Pre trip planning/conditioning-training: We logged ~1500 miles of KLR250 riding, then over the winter, the 'lil fella grew 6 inches after I bought the 250. Now--suddenly, 6weeks before we depart, he flat foots a 650 just fine. So, we logged some 500 miles of 650 time for him and left on 650's instead of a 650 and a 250 combination. Considering his age and experience, we averaged 200 miles a day, never more than 300 in one day as I recall. > > > > Which brings up the point: if you group ride, most of the bikes/riders should be of the same capability, or it will cause some cross feelings. Even when the bikes are equally capable, some will want to ride FAST and some will be plodding along. shrug. > > During 2008, 4 of us started together on the GDR and by 10am on the 3rd day, we had a 'divorce' as two wanted to burn it up WOT, and I wanted to go a little slower. > > > > We split into two teams of two; All had a reasonably good time, except for the Chuck's broken foot, John's fractured ankle, my sprained ankle, and John's blown clutch. Chuck later sustained a blood clot in his lung from the broken foot. Perhaps a little to much excitement. > > > > As I have gotten older and stiffer, I find the 250 to be just as much fun as the 650, and if I fall down riding the 250 (which I have not), there is 100# less to pick up than with the 650 when I fall down (which I do). > > > > While you are considering bikes, and it may not be a big deal now, but an electric start is 'nice' to have. In the ride reports before there was a Kawi KLX250, the primary complaint against the KLR250, it was the only bike in the comparison that was kick-start. Admitedly, it is also taller and heavier than some of the others. > > shrug. > > I like the Kawi product/price. Some of the 4 year old KLX250's are dirt cheap. > > > > revmaaatin. > > > > >

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