just when you thought you seen it all

[fasteddiecopeman]

I went for a 250 mile ride, pavement and dirt/ gravel, yesterday in about 90F temps, and took a REALLY good look at my tires after cleaning and lubing my chain. There are 17 of the LARGE tread blocks on each side of the rear tire, and of those on the left (chain) side, 12 are experiencing 'incipient' tread separation. All 17 on the right are OK (???), as are ALL those on the front! The rear tire has 6,920 kms (4290 miles) on it, the front has 7,168 kms (4444miles), their build dates are 2709 (F), 2409 (R), and I run pressures of 36 psi F, 42 psi R. Cornering on these has been very confidence-inspiring, but these separations are NOT!!! I don't think I can or will recommend these again. I just added some pictures in the "photos" section under "Shinko D/S tires on my KLR". When you look at my pictures, bear in mind that I just finished WD40ing the chain.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote:

> > I went for a 250 mile ride, pavement and dirt/ gravel, yesterday in about 90F temps, and took a REALLY good look at my tires after cleaning and lubing my chain. > There are 17 of the LARGE tread blocks on each side of the rear tire, and of those on the left (chain) side, 12 are experiencing 'incipient' tread separation. All 17 on the right are OK (???), as are ALL those on the front! > The rear tire has 6,920 kms (4290 miles) on it, the front has 7,168 kms (4444miles), their build dates are 2709 (F), 2409 (R), and I run pressures of 36 psi F, 42 psi R. > Cornering on these has been very confidence-inspiring, but these separations are NOT!!! I don't think I can or will recommend these again. > I just added some pictures in the "photos" section under "Shinko D/S tires on my KLR". > When you look at my pictures, bear in mind that I just finished WD40ing the chain. >

Eddie, Is there a question, or are you just making a statement? Some would suggest that the mileage you experienced is within the lateral limits of expected tire life. shrug. To answer the question 'why'.... 1) it is operator induced; ie the rear tire is out of alignment putting undue pressure on one 1/2 of the tire (it would be evident by scuffing lugs on the left, taller lugs on the right. 2) is is factory induced; ie there was a problem in the tire build 3) it is 'condition' induced; ie the road temp was much hotttter than 90F and the tire could not take it; see #2 4) it is just wore out due to your highly spirtied riding style and technique What I am certain of: This tire has invited you to 'change-me, and do it today'. as in, 'chage me today for tomorrow, I will BITE you, cough, and you will not like it.' I would walk this tire back to your distributor and ask a few questions. shrug. They might want to give you a new tire.... Two years ago I threw a center lug on a brand new K270; discovered at ~500 miles into a 3700 mile ride. Not exactly confidence building. Was it out of balance? shrug. Probably not after it threw the lug. I would make sure the wheel is perfectly aligned--if verified, go ask some questions and start with the (dangerous) assumption: this tire has some manufacturing defects; and that I would NEVER abuse my tires. smile. revmaaatin.

[Mike Frey]

Your tires have more miles on them on the LH side than the RH side. Seriously. All bikes in North America do, unless you never turn corners. The left side of all motorcycle tires (in RH drive countries) wears at a faster rate than the right side. These guys explain it better than I can: http://www.rattlebars.com/valkfaq/tirewear/ Your tire wear actually looks pretty normal to me - I've seen this on my own, and other tires. I have yet to get much more than 4,000 miles out of a rear tire on my KLR, and any of my other bikes. The tread separation looks disconcerting, but probably wouldn't cause a catastrophic failure. The overall wear is simply telling you its time for a new tire. revmaaatin wrote:

  --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" fasteddiecopeman@... wrote: > > I went for a 250 mile ride, pavement and dirt/ gravel, yesterday in about 90F temps, and took a REALLY good look at my tires after cleaning and lubing my chain. > There are 17 of the LARGE tread blocks on each side of the rear tire, and of those on the left (chain) side, 12 are experiencing 'incipient' tread separation. All 17 on the right are OK (???), as are ALL those on the front! > The rear tire has 6,920 kms (4290 miles) on it, the front has 7,168 kms (4444miles), their build dates are 2709 (F), 2409 (R), and I run pressures of 36 psi F, 42 psi R. > Cornering on these has been very confidence-inspiring, but these separations are NOT!!! I don't think I can or will recommend these again. > I just added some pictures in the "photos" section under "Shinko D/S tires on my KLR". > When you look at my pictures, bear in mind that I just finished WD40ing the chain. > Eddie, Is there a question, or are you just making a statement? Some would suggest that the mileage you experienced is within the lateral limits of expected tire life. shrug. To answer the question 'why'.... 1) it is operator induced; ie the rear tire is out of alignment putting undue pressure on one 1/2 of the tire (it would be evident by scuffing lugs on the left, taller lugs on the right. 2) is is factory induced; ie there was a problem in the tire build 3) it is 'condition' induced; ie the road temp was much hotttter than 90F and the tire could not take it; see #2 4) it is just wore out due to your highly spirtied riding style and technique What I am certain of: This tire has invited you to 'change-me, and do it today'. as in, 'chage me today for tomorrow, I will BITE you, cough, and you will not like it.' I would walk this tire back to your distributor and ask a few questions. shrug. They might want to give you a new tire.... Two years ago I threw a center lug on a brand new K270; discovered at ~500 miles into a 3700 mile ride. Not exactly confidence building. Was it out of balance? shrug. Probably not after it threw the lug. I would make sure the wheel is perfectly aligned--if verified, go ask some questions and start with the (dangerous) assumption: this tire has some manufacturing defects; and that I would NEVER abuse my tires. smile. revmaaatin.

[fasteddiecopeman]

Martin, In my original write-up I mentioned a friend whose BMW 1200GS threw a 6 to 8" section of tread, and a post on the Versys site of a 'lug' starting to separate, on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires. I REGULARLY get OVER 10,000 miles from K270 rears, and 12,000 from fronts, so I think I don't have a "highly spirited" riding style, and my wheels are DEFINITELY aligned! My take is that these are probably NOT the best choice for tires, and (Fred asked for experiences with Shinkos) I'm just sharing my experiences so that others can make an educated decision on whether or not they should go this route. Incidentally, I've NEVER had to dump a set of tires after 2 1/2 months, EVEN after going to Alaska and putting on 7700 miles over a month. On Kenda K270s...! Cheers, Ed

> Is there a question, or are you just making a statement? > Some would suggest that the mileage you experienced is within the lateral limits of expected tire life. shrug. > > To answer the question 'why'.... > > 1) it is operator induced; ie the rear tire is out of alignment putting undue pressure on one 1/2 of the tire (it would be evident by scuffing lugs on the left, taller lugs on the right. > 2) is is factory induced; ie there was a problem in the tire build > 3) it is 'condition' induced; ie the road temp was much hotttter than 90F and the tire could not take it; see #2 > 4) it is just wore out due to your highly spirtied riding style and technique > > What I am certain of: > This tire has invited you to 'change-me, and do it today'. > as in, 'chage me today for tomorrow, I will BITE you, cough, and you will not like it.' > I would walk this tire back to your distributor and ask a few questions. shrug. They might want to give you a new tire.... > > Two years ago I threw a center lug on a brand new K270; discovered at ~500 miles into a 3700 mile ride. Not exactly confidence building. Was it out of balance? shrug. Probably not after it threw the lug. > > I would make sure the wheel is perfectly aligned--if verified, go ask some questions and start with the (dangerous) assumption: this tire has some manufacturing defects; and that I would NEVER abuse my tires. smile. > > revmaaatin. >

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote:

> > Martin, > > In my original write-up I mentioned a friend whose BMW 1200GS threw a 6 to 8" section of tread, and a post on the Versys site of a 'lug' starting to separate, on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires. > > I REGULARLY get OVER 10,000 miles from K270 rears, and 12,000 from fronts, so I think I don't have a "highly spirited" riding style, and my wheels are DEFINITELY aligned! My take is that these are probably NOT the best choice for tires, and (Fred asked for experiences with Shinkos) I'm just sharing my experiences so that others can make an educated decision on whether or not they should go this route. > > Incidentally, I've NEVER had to dump a set of tires after 2 1/2 months, EVEN after going to Alaska and putting on 7700 miles over a month. On Kenda K270s...! > > Cheers, > Ed > >

clip, clip, clip ~~~Ed, FWIW, I disagree with the comments others made about your Shinko rear tire seperation being caused by you and or your riding style. The tire was put together poorly and no fault of your own I could understand if you didn't want to buy and use another Shinko but perhaps the quality issue was relegated to one particular run of tires? Could be Hadji boozed it up the night before then came in to his tire manufacturing job...just sayin Again, I wouldn't write off all Shinko tires as being junk yet my people have an old saying, "once bitten twice shy" Jake Reddick Fla. The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it. - - George Bernard Shaw http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/

[skypilot110]

Did I mention I got two pairs of 270s for $20 a tire. Bwa ha ha ha ha! 10k on a rear tire he says, Bwa ha ha ha ha! Ah ha ha ha!

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "fasteddiecopeman" wrote: > > Martin, > > In my original write-up I mentioned a friend whose BMW 1200GS threw a 6 to 8" section of tread, and a post on the Versys site of a 'lug' starting to separate, on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires. > > I REGULARLY get OVER 10,000 miles from K270 rears, and 12,000 from fronts, so I think I don't have a "highly spirited" riding style, and my wheels are DEFINITELY aligned!

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1356812472 p {margin:0;}If you want a street-y DS tire, check out the K761.  I've got over 7,000 miles on my rear and I estimate at least 2,000 more to go.  No cracks, splits, nothing.  Ridden hard and fast the whole time, and it stood up to the giant chunk of metal that ruined my rims.  Outstanding street-oriented tire, and it's less expensive than the Shinko. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "fasteddiecopeman" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:42:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] MORE on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires....   I went for a 250 mile ride, pavement and dirt/ gravel, yesterday in about 90F temps, and took a REALLY good look at my tires after cleaning and lubing my chain. There are 17 of the LARGE tread blocks on each side of the rear tire, and of those on the left (chain) side, 12 are experiencing 'incipient' tread separation. All 17 on the right are OK (???), as are ALL those on the front! The rear tire has 6,920 kms (4290 miles) on it, the front has 7,168 kms (4444miles), their build dates are 2709 (F), 2409 (R), and I run pressures of 36 psi F, 42 psi R. Cornering on these has been very confidence-inspiring, but these separations are NOT!!! I don't think I can or will recommend these again. I just added some pictures in the "photos" section under "Shinko D/S tires on my KLR". When you look at my pictures, bear in mind that I just finished WD40ing the chain.

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1918036551 p {margin:0;}Yes. You can get a set delivered to your door for under $100.00 If you look back through the archives, I have posted my thoughts on their handling on and off road. Here is what they look like on the bike: Rear: http://bit.ly/9Z2OsR Front: http://bit.ly/96NDz2 And what they can stand up to: Front: http://bit.ly/967BWY Rear: http://bit.ly/9tIiJB Those last two pictures tell the tale of a tough tire.  After that impact, both tires stayed inflated.  I was able to land the bike without crashing and the tires are still on the bike some 5,000 miles later. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Copeman" To: "Jeff Khoury" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:02:45 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] MORE on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires.... Thanks Jeff. The K761 is a Kenda? Ed [b]From:[/b] Jeff Khoury [b]To:[/b] fasteddiecopeman [b]Cc:[/b] DSN KLR650 DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> [b]Sent:[/b] Sat, August 28, 2010 11:48:04 PM [b]Subject:[/b] Re: [DSN_KLR650] MORE on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires.... #ygrps-yiv-1918036551 p {margin:0;}If you want a street-y DS tire, check out the K761.  I've got over 7,000 miles on my rear and I estimate at least 2,000 more to go.  No cracks, splits, nothing.  Ridden hard and fast the whole time, and it stood up to the giant chunk of metal that ruined my rims.  Outstanding street-oriented tire, and it's less expensive than the Shinko. -Jeff Khoury ----- Original Message ----- From: "fasteddiecopeman" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 9:42:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] MORE on Shinko Trail Master E-705 tires....   I went for a 250 mile ride, pavement and dirt/ gravel, yesterday in about 90F temps, and took a REALLY good look at my tires after cleaning and lubing my chain. There are 17 of the LARGE tread blocks on each side of the rear tire, and of those on the left (chain) side, 12 are experiencing 'incipient' tread separation. All 17 on the right are OK (???), as are ALL those on the front! The rear tire has 6,920 kms (4290 miles) on it, the front has 7,168 kms (4444miles), their build dates are 2709 (F), 2409 (R), and I run pressures of 36 psi F, 42 psi R. Cornering on these has been very confidence-inspiring, but these separations are NOT!!! I don't think I can or will recommend these again. I just added some pictures in the "photos" section under "Shinko D/S tires on my KLR". When you look at my pictures, bear in mind that I just finished WD40ing the chain.

[skypilot110]

Never in my life have I seen a KLR that looked more like it belonged parked in front of an alternative life style bar! I bet it is safe to say it has never seen a drop of dirt or rain! If this offends somebody then that somebody should go ride there KLR on some nice dirt roads, where KLRs were made to be. Then go home and look at your bike and think about how much of that chrome you would even be able to see. If you would see some then you just arent doing it right!

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