valve adjustment with motor off the bike and doohicky

[a phipps]

Jim, Can you explain the 6" square technique in more detail? I'm having trouble picturing how this works.

>If, I'm really worried I'll get out my 6" adjustable square. I >true the wheel to the ends of the swingarm.

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[MMMasters28@hotmail.com]

Hi all, I removed my rear wheel to have a new tire inslalled. All went well but I am having trouble upon reinstallation. I can get the brake disk in the between the brake pads and install the axle through the disk brake mount. At this point the wheel spins freely. It is getting the axle through the swing arm that is the problem. Once I have the axle through the swing arm which is very tight the wheel is bound up and will not spin. I checked the axle to see if it was bent at all, looks good. Did not depress brake pedal while wheel was off. Like I said it spins freely in the brake pads while axle is only through hole in disk brake caliper mounting braket. Wheel is alighned per side notch markings. This is without putting the chain on. I'm stumped. Any ideas would be great. Thanks in advance. Bob ---Hi Bob, I did the same thing a few weeks ago. I ended up just takeing the rear brake caliper off while I finished the installation of the rear wheel. After I had it all aligned, I mounted the caliper back on and everything seemed fine. Still not sure what was happening because it certainly appeared to have everything lined up includeing the brake caliper, but none the less it solved the problem. Mick A10 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.542 / Virus Database: 336 - Release Date: 11/18/2003 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[mike chartier]

do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact together

[Ron Crandell]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "mike chartier" wrote:

> do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact

together Well no, the notches do not have to line up exactly. However, the wheel does need to be aligned with the front as close to exact as you can get it... Especially if you ride at higher speeds. The marks on the frame are not exact, so when aligning the wheels, use them as a starting point only.. Ron in MN A16

[Lujo Bauer]

> do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact together

No, since the bracket with the single alignment mark is only loosely connected to the axle. However, it is important that the tire be aligned correctly, or else the bike will have weird high-speed behavior. The notches are unfortunately only a hint as to what constitutes correct alignment. -Lujo [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mark St.Hilaire, Sr]

> do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact together

It's been suggested that those "alignment" marks on the swingarm were put on their by a drunken, blind monkey with a chisel. They'll give you a place to start, but you might want to think about a more precise alignment such as this one: http://klr6500.tripod.com/wheelalign.htm You could also fasten (tape) a marker of some sort to one side of the swingarm, setting it up against the tire. Spin the tire slowly, and adjust as necessary until the tire runs evenly, and without high / low spots. Mark --------------------------------------- KLR650 Motorcycle Website: http://klr6500.tripod.com/

[Zachariah Mully]

On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:03, Mark St.Hilaire, Sr wrote:

> > do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact together > > It's been suggested that those "alignment" marks on the swingarm were put on > their by a drunken, blind monkey with a chisel. They'll give you a place to > start, but you might want to think about a more precise alignment such as > this one: http://klr6500.tripod.com/wheelalign.htm >

I've found the marks on the swingarms to be good but because of the play in the axle sleeve, you need to adjust everything in a very particular way. Basically loosen the adjusters, kick the wheel all the forward, then back the wheel into alignment with the adjusters. This bottoms the axle against the rear face of the sleeves. If you overshoot your mark, you gotta do the whole thing over again. Then use your thumb between the wheel and swingarm as a rough check of alignment. Works por moi. Z DC A5X A12X

[The Mule]

As someone else mentioned previously, it's a good idea to check how the chain lines up with the sprocket as well. Centered and not listing to one side. Spin the wheel while checking. If the two wheels are out with each other when the chain/sprocket are centered, you've probably got other alignment issues to deal with. Steve The Mule

> --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "mike chartier" > wrote: > > do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact > together > > Well no, the notches do not have to line up exactly. However, the > wheel does need to be aligned with the front as close to exact as you > can get it... Especially if you ride at higher speeds. The marks on > the frame are not exact, so when aligning the wheels, use them as a > starting point only.. > > Ron in MN > A16

[Thor Lancelot Simon]

On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 06:04:14PM -0400, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> > I've found the marks on the swingarms to be good but because of the play > in the axle sleeve, you need to adjust everything in a very particular > way. Basically loosen the adjusters, kick the wheel all the forward, > then back the wheel into alignment with the adjusters. This bottoms the > axle against the rear face of the sleeves. If you overshoot your mark, > you gotta do the whole thing over again. Then use your thumb between the

Damn. Zach has just explained something I'd never, ever, understood -- though I'd arrived at the same procedure as an effective one more or less by random experimentation and loud swearing. Thor

[Stu]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, Zachariah Mully wrote:

> On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 15:03, Mark St.Hilaire, Sr wrote: > > > do the notches to align the axle have to be completely excact

together

> > > > It's been suggested that those "alignment" marks on the swingarm

were put on

> > their by a drunken, blind monkey with a chisel. They'll give you a

place to

> > start, but you might want to think about a more precise alignment

such as

> > this one: http://klr6500.tripod.com/wheelalign.htm > > > > I've found the marks on the swingarms to be good but because of the play > in the axle sleeve, you need to adjust everything in a very particular > way. Basically loosen the adjusters, kick the wheel all the forward, > then back the wheel into alignment with the adjusters. This bottoms the > axle against the rear face of the sleeves. If you overshoot your mark, > you gotta do the whole thing over again. Then use your thumb between the > wheel and swingarm as a rough check of alignment. > > Works por moi. > > Z

I forgot where I read this, if you put a rag between the chain and the rear sprocket and try to rotate the wheel, this will snug the adjusters against the back of the swingarm. Then you can tighten the rear axle while the adjustment plates are firmly pulled snug against the rear of the swingarm by the tension in the chain. Remove the rag and there you have it. Tight axle adjuster plates and a corrrectly tensioned chain. I use DID X-ring chains and Kawi sprockets. Cheers CA Stu