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[Jim Douglas]

Interesting, one the day of delivery of my 09 I ran out of gas. Stupid me thinking that the dealer who had just accepted my money didn't bother to fill it up and I didn't even think about it. Ran out of gas on the way home and tried tipping left/right and up/down with nothing. A Harley dude came by in his Harley truck laughed at me but went home and got me gas. I offered to pay him for it and he didn't want anything. He probably got a good story for his friends!

  --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Marat Valegh marat713@... wrote: > > Thanks to all for the input. My 09 is still under warranty, so I will take it in some time this week and see what the Kawi shop has to say. Will let you know what it was. > > Marat Marat- I think you will want to duplicate the complaint a second time to absolutely verify the conditions--allowing you to passionately describe the frustration of a bike without a true reserve; otherwise, I suspect you will get it back with the response, "could not duplicate" the problem and you will be out of a motorcycle for two weeks and it will not work a bit better than it did when you took it in for warranty. revmaaatin.

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[dooden]

What the Rev says... No shop is going to spend alot of time on it. Sorry but KHI will only cover a few minutes of time ( at less than half the posted shop rate no less ) unless they can actually find a issue. Even then they will only get so much time plus parts to fix it. "Used" to be a service manager at a dealership, and had to write off too many hours of shop time, mostly due to customers (sorry have to say it) stupid complaints. A Honda 4 wheeler owner kept bring in his machine claiming it would'nt shift right after warming up, my techs spent way more time than Honda Fac rep gave us to look at it, so at the customers request we kept it and made sure it was good and warmed up and kept test riding it, we used to take turns riding it around the shop, down the street, out behind the shop on breaks, across the street to the sales area to get a cold pop from vending machine ect ect ect.. it basically became the shop bitch, or the customer had no place to store it maybe cause he would come and get it on some fridays and bring it back monday bellyaching same problem. So do yourself a favor and make sure it really has a problem and you can make it do it, otherwise your bike is just going to sit in a corner. However they might be able help if you have duplicated the issue and get it to do it for them. Of course I am sure they will do whatever they can within reason, all techs want to do the best they can for the customer, but the shop has to make money to stay in business also. Good Luck Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Marat Valegh wrote: > > > > Thanks to all for the input. My 09 is still under warranty, so I will take it in some time this week and see what the Kawi shop has to say. Will let you know what it was. > > > > Marat > > Marat- > I think you will want to duplicate the complaint a second time to absolutely verify the conditions--allowing you to passionately describe the frustration of a bike without a true reserve; otherwise, I suspect you will get it back with the response, "could not duplicate" the problem and you will be out of a motorcycle for two weeks and it will not work a bit better than it did when you took it in for warranty. > > revmaaatin. >

[dougtyrone@aol.com]

What is the published miles when you switch to reserve with a stock 2009?

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-90527330 p {margin:0;}With my mods and riding style, I have to go to reserve at almost exactly 200 miles.  I've never run it dry from there, so beyond that, I dunno. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: dougtyrone@... To: nomad59@..., fasteddiecopeman@..., "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:14:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Reserve Gas  

What is the published miles when you switch to reserve with a stock 2009?

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote:

> > With my mods and riding style, I have to go to reserve at almost exactly 200 miles. I've never run it dry from there, so beyond that, I dunno. > > -Jeff Khoury >

With a 40+mph head wind plus the 75mph gps forwarad speed, 15/43 sprockets, I have hit reserve in as little as 167 miles. =35mpg.yikes. Not a one time event. First time was a real surprise. A long way from gas, and not many ideas. Immediatly go from WOT to max range speed = ~45/50mph, regardless of wind direction or pucker factor. revmaaatin.

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I usually do that also but mine went on reserve at 145 the other day???? Criswell

On May 18, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote:   With my mods and riding style, I have to go to reserve at almost exactly 200 miles.  I've never run it dry from there, so beyond that, I dunno. -Jeff Khoury ----- Original Message ----- From: dougtyrone@aol. com To: nomad59@sbcglobal. net, fasteddiecopeman@yahoo.com, "DSN KLR650" ups.com> Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:14:04 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Reserve Gas   What is the published miles when you switch to reserve with a stock 2009?

[Lee Dodge]

I'd say getting 35 mpg at a wind speed of 115 mph is wonderful since the power reguirements of a doubling speed, say from 50mph to 100mph, requires 8 times the power!  (all other things being equal e.g. air density, temp, drag coeficient etc).  I envy the mileage you must get at 60 mph. Lee

--- On [b]Tue, 5/18/10, revmaaatin [i][/i][/b] wrote: From: revmaaatin Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Reserve Gas To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 18, 2010, 10:25 AM   --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Khoury wrote: > > With my mods and riding style, I have to go to reserve at almost exactly 200 miles. I've never run it dry from there, so beyond that, I dunno. > > -Jeff Khoury > With a 40+mph head wind plus the 75mph gps forwarad speed, 15/43 sprockets, I have hit reserve in as little as 167 miles. =35mpg.yikes. Not a one time event. First time was a real surprise. A long way from gas, and not many ideas. Immediatly go from WOT to max range speed = ~45/50mph, regardless of wind direction or pucker factor. revmaaatin.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Lee Dodge wrote:

> > I'd say getting 35 mpg at a wind speed of 115 mph is wonderful since the power requirements of a doubling speed, say from 50mph to 100mph, requires 8 times the power! (all other things being equal e.g. air density, temp, drag coefficient etc). > I envy the mileage you must get at 60 mph. > Lee >

shrug. who drives 60? I always thought 60 was just a transition speed. Lee, if you are an engineer, I'll take your word on the math--I just drive the beast and report the results. 40mph = as described by the local TV stations. "Wind is 40 mph with gust to 57mph." Is it more? Is it less? shrug. You just know you feel like a tattered flag if you ride in that all day; and if you can catch some clean air from riding behind a truck, you can cheat the wind (a little). A fuzzy math story: I know we added 650 gallon tip-tanks to the Marine Corps CH53D and the engineers said it increased frontal-plate-drag 25%. The tanks were approximately 30" around and were suspended by bat-wings from hardpoint on the aircraft sponsons. I was selected (4 different aircraft)to do long range profiles (just drive the beast, report the fuel burn) at different speeds. Our hope was to prove that we could self deploy over the top =Newfoundland, Greenland, Iceland, Ireland, into Europe. The flight route was to take us from MCAS New River to Goose Bay and return. Our profiles were set for fuel burns at 100/110/120/130kts; the tip-tanks did not increase fuel burn by 25%. It was actually negligible. As I recall (1983), it did change max endurance/range airspeed from ~130 to 120kts. Shoot, who knows how accurate the 130Kts was. shrug. You looked at the chart, believed what it said, and hoped you life did not absolutely depend on it. Later the charts were improved to indicate max range profiles based on the aircraft's changing weights; which largely hovered around that 120KT airspeed. All that said: I find that max range for the KLR is generally 45/50mphi or 4000rpms-ish for a 15/43. Is all that 'true'? shrug. Its what works for me. Now IRT to Lee's premise-- What is not intuitively obvious to the 'math' that Lee proposes is that the engine rpm increased some but not on the magnitude of the 8X/power required the engineers suggest. Why? The bike is moving in 'relative' wind and all it knows is what rpm you are traveling, not what your headwind component is affecting mph, mpg etc. Sure, the headwind causes additional drag, but the bike is not creating that total component, only its own relative forward component--as least as I understand it. and yes, the bike gets better gas mileage going down wind. but not 8X better if the headwind component is decreased 40mph. revmaaatin. who ain't no engineer--but just reports what he experiences. and shrugs/grins at the 'squabbles'

[fasteddiecopeman]

RIGHT, Mark! It's a LOT easier to forget... or whatever... and run out once you select reserve. With my increased-reserve mod, you'd probably have to be in Mongolia to not get to a gas station...! I live in Alberta, and I don't worry no matter how far I am off the beaten path. Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, mark ward wrote: > > SOOOO You REDUCE how far you get on the MAIN tank, BUT increase your sence of security with a larger RESERVE. > I, LIKE IT! > (just spelling it out, to remind some that you do lose some main tank)

[fasteddiecopeman]

Martin, Something to bear in mind (from the days of recip engines in aircraft): the RPM to go 70 mph will NOT change, no matter whether you're in a 40 mph tail-wind OR headwind (UNLESS your clutch slips). What WILL change is your "manifold pressure", and you'll see that on your KLR by the different position your throttle will be in in the 2 examples. MORE throttle = more 'map' = LESS mpg! Cheers, Ed