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[Luc Legrain]

Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted,stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction ---

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1701644036 p {margin:0;}The exponential nature of wind resistance.  After a certain point a significant horsepower increase is required to move even a little faster.  You can learn about it by studying up on fluid dynamics. The same thing happens to boats before they plane.  -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Legrain" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2010 9:09:34 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] klr650: :> How Do you do it ?   Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted,stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction ---

[Jeff Khoury]

#ygrps-yiv-1946744448 p {margin:0;}To give a real-world example that I'm familiar with: A 378-foot Coast Guard High-Endurance Cutter has a dual power plant: 2@ 12-cylinder, 24-piston main diesel engines, roughly 3,000 BHP each. and 2@ Pratt and Whitney main gas turbine engines, roughly 18,000 BHP each. On the diesels at flank speed (balls-to-the-wall), top speed is 18.5 knots (21 mph) On the turbines at flank speed, top speed is 29 knots (33mph) So, adding 33,000 hp (eleven times more power) only gets you 11.5 more knots more speed.  The effect is amplified in water, but the same effect is true in the wind.  A fluid is a fluid. -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Legrain" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2010 9:09:34 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [DSN_KLR650] klr650: :> How Do you do it ?   Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted,stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction ---

[transalp1@mindspring.com]

Short answer: Too much wagon. Not enough ponies. =) It's overgeared a bit from the factory for whatever reason and there simply isn't enough motor to pull it. I've had several bikes that wouldn't max out the revs in high gear. -eddie -----Original Message-----

>From: Luc Legrain >Sent: Mar 1, 2010 12:09 PM >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] klr650: :> How Do you do it ? >Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted,stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . > >Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) > >Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . > >Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction --- > > >

[RobertWichert]

I have never tried on my KLR, but to get the most top end on just about anything, you have to lay on the tank. Have you tried that? Be careful! It isn't your weight, it's your area. Robert P. Wichert P.Eng +1 916 966 9060 FAX +1 916 966 9068 ========================================================

On 3/1/2010 9:37 AM, Jeff Khoury wrote: To give a real-world example that I'm familiar with: A 378-foot Coast Guard High-Endurance Cutter has a dual power plant: 2@ 12-cylinder, 24-piston main diesel engines, roughly 3,000 BHP each. and 2@ Pratt and Whitney main gas turbine engines, roughly 18,000 BHP each. On the diesels at flank speed (balls-to-the- wall), top speed is 18.5 knots (21 mph) On the turbines at flank speed, top speed is 29 knots (33mph) So, adding 33,000 hp (eleven times more power) only gets you 11.5 more knots more speed. The effect is amplified in water, but the same effect is true in the wind. A fluid is a fluid. -Jeff Khoury ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luc Legrain" To: "DSN KLR650" Sent: Monday, March 1, 2010 9:09:34 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subje ct: [DSN_KLR650] klr650: :> How Do you do it ? Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted, stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction ---

[n9udl]

What is speed at redline if you drop a tooth in front? Tom

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, transalp1@... wrote: > > Short answer: Too much wagon. Not enough ponies. =) > > It's overgeared a bit from the factory for whatever reason and there simply isn't enough motor to pull it. > I've had several bikes that wouldn't max out the revs in high gear. > > -eddie

[Jud]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Luc Legrain wrote:

> > Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted,stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . > > Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) > > Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . > > Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction --- >

You need a tail wind, a hill, or a 14t chainwheel. The stock gearing is just a little too tall for most KLRs to pull. Of course, there's always the guy who runs a 16t chainwheel and swears his KLR will go 125.

[sh8knj8kster]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud" wrote:

>

The stock gearing is just a little too tall for most KLRs to pull. ~~~or you can fit a 120/90/17 rear tire (instead of the 130/80) to 'gear down' and she'll pull a lot easier in top gear DAMHIK=:-) Jake Reddick Fla. BRILLIANT'S LAW OF LIMITED AMBITION: If you can't learn how to do it well learn how to enjoy doing it poorly. http://www.shakinjake.blogspot.com/

> > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Luc Legrain wrote: > > > > Back ground first -----> '05, 27k plus miles,air box mod,Hi-Flo air filter,stock pipe but cleaned out( cone removed, baffles drilled out, 2 inch stub) drilled carb,re-jetted,stock sprockets,Sea Foam every 3-4k ,use regular gas . > > > > Me----> 5'11'', 220 lbs,gear on ALWAYS, so maybe add another 15-20lbs (?) > > > > Problem-----> Once in a while,very seldom, I have this urge to Red Line the Mule ,1st gear no problem,2nd gear same, 3rd gotta push a little longer, 4th gotta push even longer, 5th... no way... even downhill and back wind . > > > > Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction --- > > > > You need a tail wind, a hill, or a 14t chainwheel. The stock gearing is just a little too tall for most KLRs to pull. Of course, there's always the guy who runs a 16t chainwheel and swears his KLR will go 125. >

[guymanbro]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Luc Legrain wrote:

> > Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction --- >

Pull in the clutch, she'll redline. ;') I've seen 100mph GPS speed on a downhill while tucked in tight. In another instance, during the 2002 Alcan 5000 I spun the speedo needle past 120 mph and back to the wrong side of zero (broke the cable), so I had no concept of how fast I was actually going. I passed one of the rally cars during a transit section and when we got to the special section, he comes up to me and says, "You must've been doing at least 120, cuz I was going 100mph and you passed me like I was standing still." Can't verify that one. And one more for fun, on my way back to NYC from Wisconsin (a cousin's wedding) I was stuck behind a caravan of school buses and when the opportunity finally arose to pass - on an uphill of course - I tucked in, pinned the throttle and pulled out to the passing lane. As I pass the last of what seemed like a sea of yellow buses, I see a police cruiser in the median. DOH! I didn't have time to even look at my speedo when he hit the lights and came racing out. I pulled over, removed my helmet and gloves, and sat on the bike waiting for the officer. He came up, noticed the worn out tire strapped on top of the Givi tail box, camping gear, clothes, etc. in saddlebags, and my ~240lb ass and he said, "Been on the road a while huh?" When I told him I was coming from Wisconsin he whistled through his teeth and said, "That's a loooong way on a bike like that. Any idea how fast you were going?" I responed,"Honestly, officer, I have NO idea." He chuckled, fully believing me and said, "Well, I clocked you at 95 mph, but I'm gonna do you a favor and you write you a ticket for failure to obey a traffic ordinance." I almost begged him for the ticket to prove that a heavily loaded KLR could pull 95mph on an uphill, but thought about the points and the fine and gladly accepted his favor. Speeding ticket would have cost me somewhere in the neighborhood of $350, ticket he wrote was listed as a $90 offense, and when I sent my money in, I got a refund of $30 for overpayment. Sometimes it pays to be polite, smile, and treat a cop like he's just a guy doing his job. da Vermonster

[RobertWichert]

OK, I'll bite... 120 MPH?  I believe you, but that MUST have been a downhill.  And over redline too. What's the punch line? Robert P. Wichert ========================================================

On 3/2/2010 8:08 AM, guymanbro wrote:   --- In DSN_KLR650%40yahoogroups.com, Luc Legrain wrote: > > Question ------> Why won't she Red Line in 5th ? At least once just for my personal satisfaction --- > Pull in the clutch, she'll redline. ;') I've seen 100mph GPS speed on a downhill while tucked in tight. In another instance, during the 2002 Alcan 5000 I spun the speedo needle past 120 mph and back to the wrong side of zero (broke the cable), so I had no concept of how fast I was actually going. I passed one of the rally cars during a transit section and when we got to the special section, he comes up to me and says, "You must've been doing at least 120, cuz I was going 100mph and you passed me like I was standing still." Can't verify that one. And one more for fun, on my way back to NYC from Wisconsin (a cousin's wedding) I was stuck behind a caravan of school buses and when the opportunity finally arose to pass - on an uphill of course - I tucked in, pinned the throttle and pulled out to the passing lane. As I pass the last of what seemed like a sea of yellow buses, I see a police cruiser in the median. DOH! I didn't have time to even look at my speedo when he hit the lights and came racing out. I pulled over, removed my helmet and gloves, and sat on the bike waiting for the officer. He came up, noticed the worn out tire strapped on top of the Givi tail box, camping gear, clothes, etc. in saddlebags, and my ~240lb ass and he said, "Been on the road a while huh?" When I told him I was coming from Wisconsin he whistled through his teeth and said, "That's a loooong way on a bike like that. Any idea how fast you were going?" I responed,"Honestly, officer, I have NO idea." He chuckled, fully believing me and said, "Well, I clocked you at 95 mph, but I'm gonna do you a favor and you write you a ticket for failure to obey a traffic ordinance." I almost begged him for the ticket to prove that a heavily loaded KLR could pull 95mph on an uphill, but thought about the points and the fine and gladly accepted his favor. Speeding ticket would have cost me somewhere in the neighborhood of $350, ticket he wrote was listed as a $90 offens e, and when I sent my money in, I got a refund of $30 for overpayment. Sometimes it pays to be polite, smile, and treat a cop like he's just a guy doing his job. da Vermonster