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[Kenneth Mitchell]

I can't say anything bad about Mike, and I can't say enough about what a narrow-minded, wrong-headed fascist Glenn is. As he so often points out, it is his site, and he runs it with the aplomb of a banana-republic dictator. Anyone with the timidity to disagree with him, however slightly, can expect an attempted public humiliation. And anyone attempting to respond, however politely, finds themselves banned. Childish tricks, like blocking references to competitors' names, demonstrate the level of his intellect, and censuring discussions of items from anyone but his sponsors shows his interests in personal profit trump concearns about the KLR community. And his off-base and ill-informed critique of "liberals" is as annoying as it is inappropriate for a motorcycle forum. There are lots of interesting and informative listers on KLR650.net, and many of them are found here as well. Glenn could provide a real resource for all who ride a KLR, but his proclivity for inappropriate editorializing, and his choice of moderators who emulate his worst attitudes and behavior make his site crude, homophobic, xenophobic and annoying. We are lucky that Mr. Hink's editorial policies make this a far superior alternative. Ken

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, aphampton628 wrote: From: aphampton628 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 8:51 AM --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a year ago. I asked for any proof to those allegations. Not one person has ever stated that they have received any copied Doohickey parts from my business. My defense on the KLR650.net site was that this couldn't be true since at the time I was accused, those copied parts didn't even exist. My statements were met with accusations that I was lying. I have proof from Studebaker Distributing that those parts were not made until about 6 months after Eagle Mike sold his parts to Studebaker and he accused me of selling the copied parts. There has never been any proof to these allogations. I will state again, that Arrowhead Motorsports has never sold copied Doohickey parts or any other part that we could not get from the original manufacturer. > > The owner of KLR650.net has black listed me because of these allogations. When I spoke the truth in my defense his action was to ban me from his forum. He can run his forum anyway he wants but to deny any chance of getting the truth out there is shameful. I am not the only one that he has treated this way. > > Eagle Mike is a great guy and helpful to a lot of KLR riders. I ended my business dealings with Eagle over a year ago but that doesn't mean I am not able to sell some of his parts. You can be assured that the Doohickey parts I sell are from the original manufacturer. If anyone is interested in knowing my side of this story, I'd appreciate the chance to set the record straight. I welcome any and all questions or comments about this situation. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotors ports.com The Mike Cowlishaw and Glen Cruise alliance has always been an unholy one. They feed off of each other and squash anyone who dares to have a differing opinion. Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Lee Dodge]

Kenneth I wholeheartedly agree with your principles and assessment. I hope others who are familar with the character of the parties involved will speakup. Lee

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, Kenneth Mitchell wrote: From: Kenneth Mitchell Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:36 PM I can't say anything bad about Mike, and I can't say enough about what a narrow-minded, wrong-headed fascist Glenn is. As he so often points out, it is his site, and he runs it with the aplomb of a banana-republic dictator. Anyone with the timidity to disagree with him, however slightly, can expect an attempted public humiliation. And anyone attempting to respond, however politely, finds themselves banned. Childish tricks, like blocking references to competitors' names, demonstrate the level of his intellect, and censuring discussions of items from anyone but his sponsors shows his interests in personal profit trump concearns about the KLR community. And his off-base and ill-informed critique of "liberals" is as annoying as it is inappropriate for a motorcycle forum. There are lots of interesting and informative listers on KLR650.net, and many of them are found here as well. Glenn could provide a real resource for all who ride a KLR, but his proclivity for inappropriate editorializing, and his choice of moderators who emulate his worst attitudes and behavior make his site crude, homophobic, xenophobic and annoying. We are lucky that Mr. Hink's editorial policies make this a far superior alternative. Ken --- On Sun, 7/19/09, aphampton628 wrote: From: aphampton628 Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 8:51 AM --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a year ago. I asked for any proof to those allegations. Not one person has ever stated that they have received any copied Doohickey parts from my business. My defense on the KLR650.net site was that this couldn't be true since at the time I was accused, those copied parts didn't even exist. My statements were met with accusations that I was lying. I have proof from Studebaker Distributing that those parts were not made until about 6 months after Eagle Mike sold his parts to Studebaker and he accused me of selling the copied parts. There has never been any proof to these allogations. I will state again, that Arrowhead Motorsports has never sold copied Doohickey parts or any other part that we could not get from the original manufacturer. > > The owner of KLR650.net has black listed me because of these allogations. When I spoke the truth in my defense his action was to ban me from his forum. He can run his forum anyway he wants but to deny any chance of getting the truth out there is shameful. I am not the only one that he has treated this way. > > Eagle Mike is a great guy and helpful to a lot of KLR riders. I ended my business dealings with Eagle over a year ago but that doesn't mean I am not able to sell some of his parts. You can be assured that the Doohickey parts I sell are from the original manufacturer. If anyone is interested in knowing my side of this story, I'd appreciate the chance to set the record straight. I welcome any and all questions or comments about this situation. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotors ports.com The Mike Cowlishaw and Glen Cruise alliance has always been an unholy one. They feed off of each other and squash anyone who dares to have a differing opinion. Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Khoury]

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but as I am prone to do, I'll throw in my 2 cents: Doohickey parts: As long as the parts marked "Eagle Mike's" are genuine, then there's no problem. Mike has no cause to complain that you sell his parts after you've ended your business relationship. When he accepted your money for the stock you have on hand, he relinquished all rights to the product and you can do with it as you please, absent some sort of distribution agreement. That's the free-market at work. As long as your customers are satisfied with the product, you're good. And, unless the product is patented (which I seriously doubt), you're free to make exact copies and sell them all you like, provided you don't represent them as being manufactured by him. There are many quality CNC machine shops that could crank them out in nothing flat. The .net site: I've been over there a few times, and have gotten some good information. I've also gotten some great info here, and I try to answer questions and be as helpful as I can. I don't ever think I've posted on the .net site. As far as banning for disagreement and political reasons, take that with a grain of salt. I love a spirited debate, I think it keeps the brain juices flowing and is a wonderful way to spend time. Anyone who bans someone because they have an alternate point-of-view or opinion on a certain topic is a coward (unless they're an obvious troll of course). Deep down they know they cannot back up their opinion. I'm an atheist, originalist, free-market capitalist type. Would he have a problem with me? I think that is possible for two people to disagree on fundamental issues and still agree on others, and be friends in spite of it. People who are absolutists are narrow-minded and weak. They are the ones who lose by not being exposed to all the wonders that the world has to offer. It's isolationism on an individual level, and we all know how well that worked out for us in the 1930s and 1940s. Fred and Arrowhead: If I need to buy parts for my KLR, Fred will be near the top of my list of suppliers. He sells quality product at a reasonable price and provides good customer service judging from what I hear around here. Good enough for me. Good customer service is something that I support and may even pay a few bucks extra for. Buying from cheap, unknowns is only good until you need a return, or advice, or anything at all frankly. I like knowing who's behind my purchases and I feel comfortable with Fred. Well, there you have it... my unsolicited opinion. Cheers! -Jeff Khoury

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth Mitchell" To: "DSN KLR650" DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:36:27 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused I can't say anything bad about Mike, and I can't say enough about what a narrow-minded, wrong-headed fascist Glenn is. As he so often points out, it is his site, and he runs it with the aplomb of a banana-republic dictator. Anyone with the timidity to disagree with him, however slightly, can expect an attempted public humiliation. And anyone attempting to respond, however politely, finds themselves banned. Childish tricks, like blocking references to competitors' names, demonstrate the level of his intellect, and censuring discussions of items from anyone but his sponsors shows his interests in personal profit trump concearns about the KLR community. And his off-base and ill-informed critique of "liberals" is as annoying as it is inappropriate for a motorcycle forum. There are lots of interesting and informative listers on KLR650.net, and many of them are found here as well. Glenn could provide a real resource for all who ride a KLR, but his proclivity for inappropriate editorializing, and his choice of moderators who emulate his worst attitudes and behavior make his site crude, homophobic, xenophobic and annoying. We are lucky that Mr. Hink's editorial policies make this a far superior alternative. Ken --- On Sun, 7/19/09, aphampton628 < aphampton628@... > wrote: From: aphampton628 < aphampton628@... > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 8:51 AM --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a year ago. I asked for any proof to those allegations. Not one person has ever stated that they have received any copied Doohickey parts from my business. My defense on the KLR650.net site was that this couldn't be true since at the time I was accused, those copied parts didn't even exist. My statements were met with accusations that I was lying. I have proof from Studebaker Distributing that those parts were not made until about 6 months after Eagle Mike sold his parts to Studebaker and he accused me of selling the copied parts. There has never been any proof to these allogations. I will state again, that Arrowhead Motorsports has never sold copied Doohickey parts or any other part that we could not get from the original manufacturer. > > The owner of KLR650.net has black listed me because of these allogations. When I spoke the truth in my defense his action was to ban me from his forum. He can run his forum anyway he wants but to deny any chance of getting the truth out there is shameful. I am not the only one that he has treated this way. > > Eagle Mike is a great guy and helpful to a lot of KLR riders. I ended my business dealings with Eagle over a year ago but that doesn't mean I am not able to sell some of his parts. You can be assured that the Doohickey parts I sell are from the original manufacturer. If anyone is interested in knowing my side of this story, I'd appreciate the chance to set the record straight. I welcome any and all questions or comments about this situation. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotors ports.com The Mike Cowlishaw and Glen Cruise alliance has always been an unholy one. They feed off of each other and squash anyone who dares to have a differing opinion. Alan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

Copied Doohickey ? The DooHickey in my bike has been there many years, (Anybody remember Jake ?) Well I believe he told me my Doohickey was part of his first or second batch that he machined out. This has been quite a few years back 2003 maybe. So who actually machined and started to make Doohickeys in the first place ? Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a year ago. I asked for any proof to those allegations. Not one person has ever stated that they have received any copied Doohickey parts from my business. My defense on the KLR650.net site was that this couldn't be true since at the time I was accused, those copied parts didn't even exist. My statements were met with accusations that I was lying. I have proof from Studebaker Distributing that those parts were not made until about 6 months after Eagle Mike sold his parts to Studebaker and he accused me of selling the copied parts. There has never been any proof to these allogations. I will state again, that Arrowhead Motorsports has never sold copied Doohickey parts or any other part that we could not get from the original manufacturer. > > The owner of KLR650.net has black listed me because of these allogations. When I spoke the truth in my defense his action was to ban me from his forum. He can run his forum anyway he wants but to deny any chance of getting the truth out there is shameful. I am not the only one that he has treated this way. > > Eagle Mike is a great guy and helpful to a lot of KLR riders. I ended my business dealings with Eagle over a year ago but that doesn't mean I am not able to sell some of his parts. You can be assured that the Doohickey parts I sell are from the original manufacturer. If anyone is interested in knowing my side of this story, I'd appreciate the chance to set the record straight. I welcome any and all questions or comments about this situation. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[dooden]

WTF is KLR650.net sounds like a copyright infringement to me. Did'nt Kawasaki market "KLR" ... Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, John K wrote: > > It's why I'm here, and not there. > > --John K > aka Jack90210 > > > Fred Hink wrote: > > The owner of KLR650.net has black listed me because of these allogations. When I spoke the truth in my defense his action was to ban me from his forum. He can run his forum anyway he wants but to deny any chance of getting the truth out there is shameful. I am not the only one that he has treated this way. >

[roncriswell@sbcglobal.net]

I like both Fred and Mike and have had nothing but good dealings with both of them. I am sorry they are not seeing eye to eye on this thing. That happens in business. I have and will continue to do business with Fred at Arrowhead. I would think the Doohickey thing is a dying business anyway as all serious KLR riders have redone their's. I know the new KLR has redone the Doohickey but don't know how good a job they have done with that. I have heard bad things about the other guy's (Glenn) website so don't go there. A guy here I know does visit that site and has told me what has been said about Fred there so since I have always had a good relationship with Fred, I don't go to the other site. Criswell

On Jul 19, 2009, at 11:47 PM, Lee Dodge wrote: > Kenneth I wholeheartedly agree with your principles and > assessment. I hope others who are familar with the character of > the parties involved will speakup. > Lee > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, Kenneth Mitchell wrote: > > From: Kenneth Mitchell > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:36 PM > > > > I can't say anything bad about Mike, and I can't say enough about > what a narrow-minded, wrong-headed fascist Glenn is. As he so often > points out, it is his site, and he runs it with the aplomb of a > banana-republic dictator. Anyone with the timidity to disagree > with him, however slightly, can expect an attempted public > humiliation. And anyone attempting to respond, however politely, > finds themselves banned. Childish tricks, like blocking references > to competitors' names, demonstrate the level of his intellect, and > censuring discussions of items from anyone but his sponsors shows > his interests in personal profit trump concearns about the KLR > community. And his off-base and ill-informed critique of > "liberals" is as annoying as it is inappropriate for a motorcycle > forum. > > There are lots of interesting and informative listers on > KLR650.net, and many of them are found here as well. Glenn could > provide a real resource for all who ride a KLR, but his proclivity > for inappropriate editorializing, and his choice of moderators who > emulate his worst attitudes and behavior make his site crude, > homophobic, xenophobic and annoying. > > We are lucky that Mr. Hink's editorial policies make this a far > superior alternative. > > Ken > > --- On Sun, 7/19/09, aphampton628 wrote: > > From: aphampton628 > > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused > > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com > > Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 8:51 AM > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > > > > > > The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a > situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has > been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a > year ago. I asked for any proof to those allegations. Not one > person has ever stated that they have received any copied Doohickey > parts from my business. My defense on the KLR650.net site was that > this couldn't be true since at the time I was accused, those copied > parts didn't even exist. My statements were met with accusations > that I was lying. I have proof from Studebaker Distributing that > those parts were not made until about 6 months after Eagle Mike > sold his parts to Studebaker and he accused me of selling the > copied parts. There has never been any proof to these allogations. > I will state again, that Arrowhead Motorsports has never sold > copied Doohickey parts or any other part that we could not get from > the original manufacturer. > > > > > > The owner of KLR650.net has black listed me because of these > allogations. When I spoke the truth in my defense his action was to > ban me from his forum. He can run his forum anyway he wants but to > deny any chance of getting the truth out there is shameful. I am > not the only one that he has treated this way. > > > > > > Eagle Mike is a great guy and helpful to a lot of KLR riders. I > ended my business dealings with Eagle over a year ago but that > doesn't mean I am not able to sell some of his parts. You can be > assured that the Doohickey parts I sell are from the original > manufacturer. If anyone is interested in knowing my side of this > story, I'd appreciate the chance to set the record straight. I > welcome any and all questions or comments about this situation. > > > > > > Fred > > > www.arrowheadmotors ports.com > > The Mike Cowlishaw and Glen Cruise alliance has always been an > unholy one. They feed off of each other and squash anyone who dares > to have a differing opinion. > > Alan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Fred Hink]

The way I remember the development of the Doohickey, it was Elden Carl that hired Eagle Mike to make him a few of these levers for his KLRs in the late 1990s. I believe Elden Carl also worked on the balancer system on list member Kurt Grife's KLR in about 2000. You can search on this site and find the origination of the Doohickey. Elden at the time wasn't interested in making these levers for the public. There was significant discussion about the balancer issues on this site back then. I offered to Jake Jakeman that he should get a computer/web site and make this part since I felt at the time there was a good market for this part. Jake was selling basically nuts and bolts back then. I made Jake his first web site for him which can be seen at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/sagebrush_machine.html Jake made enough and brought enough attention to this part that it became known as the Doohickey. After this part became widely known by Jake was when Eagle Mike started making his for sale. There have been a few others that have made their version of the Doohickey but I don't hear much about them any longer. Fred

----- Original Message ----- From: Tengai Mark Van Horn To: Dooden Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused nklr At 12:07 PM +0000 7/20/09, Dooden wrote: >The DooHickey in my bike has been there many years, >(Anybody remember Jake ?) Well I believe he told me my Doohickey was >part of his first or second batch that he machined out. This has >been quite a few years back 2003 maybe. > >So who actually machined and started to make Doohickeys in the first place ? I was the force behind the original "Doohickey," which was made by Jake. Jake had been previously been known for making other KLR-related small parts and accessories. As his webmaster, I had presented him with the idea of making this part, and prodded him for a couple weeks on its marketability. Development started in Jan. '02, with the final prototype rolling of the press on 3/22/02. The first batch of 8 Doohickeys shipped on 4/2/02. They sold for $20. After a needed minor modification to the first run was discovered by Devon Jarvis and following the next few batches, the price was adjusted to $26. In July, '02, replacement springs were offered, followed by magneto rotor tools in September. Mark [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Horton Oliphant]

I don't regularly follow klr650.net because I don't like the format as well as this list. I find topics hard to find at klr650.net which is as much my problem as their's. That said I spent some time on .net and never did find the discussion that is referred to in this thread. Anybody help me out? Alan Henderson A13 Iowa Fred Hink wrote:

> The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a > situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has > been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a

[Fred Hink]

You can't search for Arrowhead since I have been blacklisted and banned. If you see a bunch of stars **** that would be me. Here are a couple of many pages....... http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46864 http://www.klr650.net/forums/showthread.php?t=67812

----- Original Message ----- From: Horton Oliphant To: klr Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Arrowhead Motorsport falsely accused I don't regularly follow klr650.net because I don't like the format as well as this list. I find topics hard to find at klr650.net which is as much my problem as their's. That said I spent some time on .net and never did find the discussion that is referred to in this thread. Anybody help me out? Alan Henderson A13 Iowa Fred Hink wrote: > The owner of the KLR650.net site and Eagle Mike have created a > situation on that other site that is totally bogus. My business has > been accused of selling copied Doohickey Parts. This started over a [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 8:11 AM -0600 7/20/09, Fred Hink wrote:

>The way I remember the development of the Doohickey, it was Elden >Carl that hired Eagle Mike to make him a few of these levers for his >KLRs in the late 1990s. ... >Elden at the time wasn't interested in making these levers for the public.

That's the first I've ever heard of that one. I know that Elden was alarmed and aware of the problem, but I don't think he ever had a "one-of" or short-run made for himself by anyone.

>I believe Elden Carl also worked on the balancer system on list >member Kurt Grife's KLR in about 2000. You can search on this site >and find the origination of the Doohickey.

Fortunately, I've kept just about every email of significance since Jan.1997. Kurt's bike imploded in June 2000, and was back on line in Aug. 2000. In the process, nowhere was it mentioned that Elden had any sort of custom replacement lever either for Kurt or himself. Mark