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[smthng else]

Hey all, I took my '08 for a ride the other day after it sat outside in a heavy rain storm overnight. Unfortunately, it died. I drained the carb and found quite a bit of water in the bottom. Started her back up and she died again after about 30 seconds. Drained the carb again, more water. I did this about two more times before giving up. I pulled the fuel tank off and took a look and couldn't find any trace of water in the tank (tipped it every which way and used a bright light). So, where's the water coming from? Is there any other way to load up the carb with water that I'm not aware of? In the long run, I'd kind of like to figure out how water got into the system in the first place... I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity to leave the K in the rain in the future and I'd prefer not to have to go through all this stuff every time it rains. -- --Jonathan "smthng" Kalmes Springfield, VA http://smthng.info Twitter - http://twitter.com/smthng Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1000936455 FriendFeed - http://friendfeed.com/smthng "Shake well... some settling is natural."

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, smthng else wrote:

> > Hey all, > > I took my '08 for a ride the other day after it sat outside in a heavy > rain storm overnight. Unfortunately, it died. I drained the carb and > found quite a bit of water in the bottom. Started her back up and she > died again after about 30 seconds. Drained the carb again, more > water. I did this about two more times before giving up. I pulled > the fuel tank off and took a look and couldn't find any trace of water > in the tank (tipped it every which way and used a bright light). So, > where's the water coming from? Is there any other way to load up the > carb with water that I'm not aware of? > > In the long run, I'd kind of like to figure out how water got into the > system in the first place... I'm sure there will be plenty of > opportunity to leave the K in the rain in the future and I'd prefer > not to have to go through all this stuff every time it rains. >

Condensation, probably collected over time. You wont see it because the gasoline floats on top of it. Try putting the petcock on reserve. Pull the fuel line off the petcock and crank the starter, using a rag to catch whatever comes out.

[Chris Norloff]

Jud Jones wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, smthng else wrote: > >> In the long run, I'd kind of like to figure out how water got into the >> system in the first place... I'm sure there will be plenty of >> opportunity to leave the K in the rain in the future and I'd prefer >> not to have to go through all this stuff every time it rains. >> >> > > > Condensation, probably collected over time. You wont see it because the gasoline floats on top of it. Try putting the petcock on reserve. Pull the fuel line off the petcock and crank the starter, using a rag to catch whatever comes out. >

I'd check the gas cap gasket for letting water in, if that's where all it came from. More likely is from condensation (as mentioned above) and possibly some in gasoline you bought. Though if the gas where you live has ethanol added then I think it's unlikely the gas could have water in it. One thing you can do after filling up is to ride with the fuel petcock on Reserve for several minutes at least -- that way you're drawing from the bottom of the tank and will get any water out that's got in. best, Chris

[Rick McCauley]

Actually, the chances of water actually being in the gas from a gas station are slim. It has been a while ago, but I worked in a gas station, and later managed an independent one. We would "stick" the storage tanks every week. When you stick the tanks you are checking for quantity of gas, and a jell is put on the bottom of the stick which turns purple if it came in contact with water. Besides that, the state would come in every so often and inspect the tanks. There was one time at the gas station I worked at, that the tanker driver forgot to put the cap back on the tank. Shortly after we had a good rain. That tank had water in it. Many of our customers were inconvenienced to say the least. Rick A17

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Chris Norloff wrote: From: Chris Norloff Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Water + Fuel = Fail To: Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 11:07 AM Jud Jones wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, smthng else wrote: > >> In the long run, I'd kind of like to figure out how water got into the >> system in the first place... I'm sure there will be plenty of >> opportunity to leave the K in the rain in the future and I'd prefer >> not to have to go through all this stuff every time it rains. >> >> > > > Condensation, probably collected over time. You wont see it because the gasoline floats on top of it. Try putting the petcock on reserve. Pull the fuel line off the petcock and crank the starter, using a rag to catch whatever comes out. > I'd check the gas cap gasket for letting water in, if that's where all it came from. More likely is from condensation (as mentioned above) and possibly some in gasoline you bought. Though if the gas where you live has ethanol added then I think it's unlikely the gas could have water in it. One thing you can do after filling up is to ride with the fuel petcock on Reserve for several minutes at least -- that way you're drawing from the bottom of the tank and will get any water out that's got in. best, Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jud Jones" wrote:

> > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, smthng else wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I took my '08 for a ride the other day after it sat outside in a heavy > > rain storm overnight. Unfortunately, it died. I drained the carb and > > found quite a bit of water in the bottom. Started her back up and she > > died again after about 30 seconds. Drained the carb again, more > > water. I did this about two more times before giving up. I pulled > > the fuel tank off and took a look and couldn't find any trace of water > > in the tank (tipped it every which way and used a bright light). So, > > where's the water coming from? Is there any other way to load up the > > carb with water that I'm not aware of? > > > > In the long run, I'd kind of like to figure out how water got into the > > system in the first place... I'm sure there will be plenty of > > opportunity to leave the K in the rain in the future and I'd prefer > > not to have to go through all this stuff every time it rains. > > > > > Condensation, probably collected over time. You wont see it because the gasoline floats on top of it. Try putting the petcock on reserve. Pull the fuel line off the petcock and crank the starter, using a rag to catch whatever comes out. >

Well, on a dark night and a pencil thin light beam reflected from the tank wall an inch from the bottom, might allow you to see a 'shadow' cast by the water bead....(yeah, no kidding) but on a brilliant bright day, you won't be able to see (squat)-- because your eyes will not be dilated enough to see the slight difference in shadow or texture. This is with minimum fuel in the tank as well. How I do it: I have one of those PM flashlights I bought years ago at Walmart/KMart that has a very tiny bulb on a 8" flexible stalk that is perfect for putting light in a difficult to reach spot. I have used it to inspect the petcock without disassembly and could see water condensation as well. Water can be removed with a 'straw'; a piece of oxygen hose will work for this 'short-term' task, or a piece of gas hose, etc. and don't let ANYONE get curious and look at the petcock 'outlet' when you crank the engine or they will really get an eye full. ie. Something else to note, if the water is trapped on the right side, it is not coming out without sloshing the fluids from the right side to the left--by either laying the bike down or removing the tank, and getting it all over on the left side. When I did my petcock rebuild last summer, I thought I had all the fuel out. Ah, no. There is a little left, and a little water as well when the petcock was removed...albeit, down in the fwd tank wing. shrug. Move it around, and all that remains comes out the hole for petcock-installation. revmaaatin.

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote:

> > Actually, the chances of water actually being in the gas from a gas station are slim. > It has been a while ago, but I worked in a gas station, and later managed an independent one. We would "stick" the storage tanks every week. When you stick the tanks you are checking for quantity of gas, and a jell is put on the bottom of the stick which turns purple if it came in contact with water. Besides that, the state would come in every so often and inspect the tanks. > > There was one time at the gas station I worked at, that the tanker driver forgot to put the cap back on the tank. Shortly after we had a good rain. That tank had water in it. Many of our customers were inconvenienced to say the least. > > Rick > A17

Hi Rick, I must be running on 'slim', IRT to the gas/water. smile. Stopping for gas 100 miles from home last summer, after 6125 miles of trouble free miles (other than blown fork seals, sprained ankle, crushed radiator, stripped fan, broken subframe, clutch replacement, blah, blah, blah), I had to drain the carb twice to get the bike to run. The only variable: I bought gas. revmaaatin. did I mention we had fun?

[Rick McCauley]

When it comes to bad luck many of us seem to beat the odds. If we were to play the lottery, we lose against the odds. Rick A17

--- On Wed, 5/20/09, revmaaatin wrote: From: revmaaatin Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Water + Fuel = Fail To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:15 AM --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > > Actually, the chances of water actually being in the gas from a gas station are slim. > It has been a while ago, but I worked in a gas station, and later managed an independent one. We would "stick" the storage tanks every week. When you stick the tanks you are checking for quantity of gas, and a jell is put on the bottom of the stick which turns purple if it came in contact with water. Besides that, the state would come in every so often and inspect the tanks. > > There was one time at the gas station I worked at, that the tanker driver forgot to put the cap back on the tank. Shortly after we had a good rain. That tank had water in it. Many of our customers were inconvenienced to say the least. > > Rick > A17 Hi Rick, I must be running on 'slim', IRT to the gas/water. smile. Stopping for gas 100 miles from home last summer, after 6125 miles of trouble free miles (other than blown fork seals, sprained ankle, crushed radiator, stripped fan, broken subframe, clutch replacement, blah, blah, blah), I had to drain the carb twice to get the bike to run. The only variable: I bought gas. revmaaatin. did I mention we had fun? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Horton Oliphant]

Very nice. Well worth the money. I made my own after removing tweety, this would be a much easier solution particularly for someone without a welder. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa RC Crazy wrote:

> Sorry, just read this post. For what its worth................ I drilled out mine as well, and used this to cover up the end along with some high heat paint: > > http://hmfracing.com/shop/parts/end-caps/turn-down > >