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[Matt]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dirk Beer wrote:

> thanks! Do you think this could be the problem even with my

relatively new

> bike (A18 12,000mi)?

Don't know, but it's possible.

>I worry about converting to a manual petcock because I > am likely to forget to turn it off at least some of the time (maybe

if I get

> in the habit, I could be fairly consistent?).

Yep, I forgot a lot at first. I think they say it takes about 21 days to unlearn and learn something new ;>) But it's not like it's going to dump gas into your crankcase if you forget. I believe you have to forget AND have a stuck needle in your carb. Matt

[Erik]

> PS Scott and Eric, you guys have each other's email addresses, right?

you've got a filter on your email client, right? ... and it seems like we agreeded to disagree. all on our own, like big kids, without Fred having to be involved! erik

[Fred Hink]

Disabling the petcock does nothing but change the automatic feature of shutting off your fuel to a manual situation. With the disabled petcock it is still a gravity fed system. The diaphragm in the petcock is not a pump but a valve to turn on the fuel flow when the engine is operating. There is a spring that shuts off the valve in the petcock when there is no vacuum. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: IMS tank Chris's kit > eliminates the diaphragm altogether and converts it from a vacuum > operated system to a gravity fed system ... giving you every last drop > of fuel; on demand.

[Pat Schmid]

News to me. I've been running my IMS tank down to reserve and refilling these last ten years. My tank never told me I was making in unhappy. Pat G'ville, NV

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Denis Dimick wrote: > So the layman in me is starting to think that in order to have a happy > IMS tank, I'm supposed to not use it like I do my steal tank? (fill it > with gas, ride until empty, fill again) > > Any of you PhD's out there want to translate this for me? ( small > words for those of us with small minds ) > > Thanks, > > Denis >

[Matt]

Fred, Isn't it true that disabling the petcock with Chris's kit eliminates the vacuum aspect of fuel delivery? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I probably am, but isn't it the vacuum that opens the valve (diaphragm) to supply fuel? And if this valve/spring mechanism failed to open or began to deteriorate wouldn't it begin to restrict fuel to the carb? In fact, isn't it the diaphragms job to stop fuel flow? And couldn't the level of fuel and/or pressure in the tank have a negative effect on the vacuum operation of the petcock? My KLR (2002) at roughly 40,000 miles started hitting reserve earlier and earlier and I was still getting the same MPG. And, reserve was totally unpredictable as to how far I could go before the engine died from fuel starvation. Once in as little as one mile with plently of gas in the tank! Now once again I could be wrong, but I'm under the impression that disabling the petcock resolved this problem.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > Disabling the petcock does nothing but change the automatic feature of > shutting off your fuel to a manual situation. With the disabled petcock it > is still a gravity fed system. The diaphragm in the petcock is not a pump > but a valve to turn on the fuel flow when the engine is operating. There is > a spring that shuts off the valve in the petcock when there is no vacuum. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:35 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: IMS tank > > > Chris's kit > > eliminates the diaphragm altogether and converts it from a vacuum > > operated system to a gravity fed system ... giving you every last drop > > of fuel; on demand.

[Fred Hink]

I think we are talking about the same thing. The vacuum pulls on the diaphragm which pulls a plunger with a seal on the end. The action of the diaphragm is working against a spring. When you shut off the engine and the vacuum goes away this allows the spring to push the plunger and seal to shut off the flow of fuel. As I understand the way Chris's kit to work, the diaphragm and plunger/seal are removed which allows fuel to the selector valve at all times. Being a mechanic, I see lots of fuel leaking problems and I think have an automatic fuel shut off is a good thing. The diaphragm moves the plunger with the seal on the end to stop the fuel. The "level of fuel and/or pressure in the tank" shouldn't have any effect on the way the petcock works. There are a couple of tubes inside the tank on top of the petcock that are used to make the "reserve tank". Maybe these tubes have come loose in your tank is why your mileage to reserve has varied. Fred www.arrowheadmotorsports.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: IMS tank > Fred, > > Isn't it true that disabling the petcock with Chris's kit eliminates > the vacuum aspect of fuel delivery? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I > probably am, but isn't it the vacuum that opens the valve > (diaphragm) to supply fuel? And if this valve/spring mechanism > failed to open or began to deteriorate wouldn't it begin to restrict > fuel to the carb? In fact, isn't it the diaphragms job to stop fuel > flow? And couldn't the level of fuel and/or pressure in the tank > have a negative effect on the vacuum operation of the petcock? > > My KLR (2002) at roughly 40,000 miles started hitting reserve > earlier and earlier and I was still getting the same MPG. And, > reserve was totally unpredictable as to how far I could go before > the engine died from fuel starvation. Once in as little as one mile > with plently of gas in the tank! Now once again I could be wrong, > but I'm under the impression that disabling the petcock resolved > this problem. > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: >> Disabling the petcock does nothing but change the automatic > feature of >> shutting off your fuel to a manual situation. With the disabled > petcock it >> is still a gravity fed system. The diaphragm in the petcock is > not a pump >> but a valve to turn on the fuel flow when the engine is > operating. There is >> a spring that shuts off the valve in the petcock when there is no > vacuum. >> >> Fred >> www.arrowheadmotorsports.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matt" >> To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:35 PM >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: IMS tank >> >> >> Chris's kit >> > eliminates the diaphragm altogether and converts it from a vacuum >> > operated system to a gravity fed system ... giving you every > last drop >> > of fuel; on demand. > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[Dirk Beer]

On 9/9/05, CA Stu wrote:

>--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Dirk Beer > wrote: >> >> >> oh, and one reason I thought it was the cap vents is that it seems that >> opening the cap seems to solve the problem. >> Dirk >> > >You have a vent tube blocked or pinched somewhere, I reckon.

Your suggestion made sense, so I double-checked my venting system yesterday... 1) opened the tank cap, blew into the vent hose from the bottom - lots of air comes through up at the tank 2) tried to blow into the metal nipple on the cap - very little/no air seemed to go through 3) took apart the cap Turns out there are two holes from the direction of the vent hose - a large one that I think is from the vent hose itself, and a smaller one that I guessing is directly from the atmosphere. Air from the large hole passes through a stiff valve, then a soft valve, to the tank. Air from the small hole bypasses the stiff valve, goes through the soft valve, to the tank. Everything seemed clean, but when I tried blowing through the soft valve the first time, it took quite a bit of pressure to get it to open. The valves are little rubber flaps laying over some holes, and what was happening was the very thin piece of rubber in the soft valve was sticking to the holes. Once it broke free, it was easy enough to blow through. Blowing against the valve made the flap stick again. So I WD-40'd the soft valve flap to keep it from sticking. Now I can blow into the metal nipple on the cap & some air does go through.Not sure that this is a permanent solution (or that it was my original problem) but we'll see. I put a diagram of the cap vent valves in the files section (capvalves.jpg) if anyone's interested. thanks, Dirk A18 -- "You know, I have one simple request, and that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!" [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jim]

Does a vacuum pull or does atmospheric pressure push? Jim A17

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > I think we are talking about the same thing. The vacuum pulls on the > diaphragm which pulls a plunger with a seal on the end. The action of the > diaphragm is working against a spring. When you shut off the engine and the > vacuum goes away this allows the spring to push the plunger and seal to shut > off the flow of fuel. As I understand the way Chris's kit to work, the > diaphragm and plunger/seal are removed which allows fuel to the selector > valve at all times. Being a mechanic, I see lots of fuel leaking problems > and I think have an automatic fuel shut off is a good thing. > > The diaphragm moves the plunger with the seal on the end to stop the fuel. > The "level of fuel and/or pressure in the tank" shouldn't have any effect on > the way the petcock works. There are a couple of tubes inside the tank on > top of the petcock that are used to make the "reserve tank". Maybe these > tubes have come loose in your tank is why your mileage to reserve has > varied. > > Fred > www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 11:12 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: IMS tank > > > > Fred, > > > > Isn't it true that disabling the petcock with Chris's kit eliminates > > the vacuum aspect of fuel delivery? Correct me if I'm wrong, and I > > probably am, but isn't it the vacuum that opens the valve > > (diaphragm) to supply fuel? And if this valve/spring mechanism > > failed to open or began to deteriorate wouldn't it begin to restrict > > fuel to the carb? In fact, isn't it the diaphragms job to stop fuel > > flow? And couldn't the level of fuel and/or pressure in the tank > > have a negative effect on the vacuum operation of the petcock? > > > > My KLR (2002) at roughly 40,000 miles started hitting reserve > > earlier and earlier and I was still getting the same MPG. And, > > reserve was totally unpredictable as to how far I could go before > > the engine died from fuel starvation. Once in as little as one mile > > with plently of gas in the tank! Now once again I could be wrong, > > but I'm under the impression that disabling the petcock resolved > > this problem. > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Hink" wrote: > >> Disabling the petcock does nothing but change the automatic > > feature of > >> shutting off your fuel to a manual situation. With the disabled > > petcock it > >> is still a gravity fed system. The diaphragm in the petcock is > > not a pump > >> but a valve to turn on the fuel flow when the engine is > > operating. There is > >> a spring that shuts off the valve in the petcock when there is no > > vacuum. > >> > >> Fred > >> www.arrowheadmotorsports.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Matt" > >> To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 3:35 PM > >> Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: IMS tank > >> > >> > >> Chris's kit > >> > eliminates the diaphragm altogether and converts it from a vacuum > >> > operated system to a gravity fed system ... giving you every > > last drop > >> > of fuel; on demand. > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

[Ian Francisco]

Gary, I might be interested in trading cash for your black IMS tank if the price is fair. Sorry I don't have a white one to trade with. New ones are about $200 plus shipping so... how much would you let yours go for? My KLR is a 2000 model (A14). Regards, ian ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

[terranova22]

Hello KLRistas, I am thinking of getting the 6.6-gallon translucent tank from Dualstar; http://www.dualstar.com/index2/Brand/Kawasaki/klr_650_military_fuel_tank.htm i'm told that it does a pretty good job of protecting the radiator, as well as holds some extra gas that you can see. Do you know if there's any donwside to having one of these tanks (besides not being able to use a magnetic tank bag). Any info would be appreciated --Dan