[dsn_klr650] gas is gas.. octane rating.......cylind

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

Ah, no, gas is not gas. Here in California, there are addatives in the gas because of smog regulations that aren't in fuels in other states. Do a little research on things like MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether), now illegal, I think, but there are other "oxygenator" chemicals in CA gas that are not in other states gas. Do a little research on "winter blends" and "summer blends" Also, do a little research on how much alcohol is in CA gas, also due to smog regulations. All the pumps here say it may contain up to 10% ethanol. Alcohol consumption is something like twice that of gas. So if you have 10% ethanol in your gas, your mileage just went down about 5% When these chemicals are added, with a lower specific energy than gasoline, it displaces the gasoline with the oxygenator, thereby lowering the total energy content of gasoline in CA. Further reduction in MPG. I do enough cross country driving towing my race car to see a 1-2 mpg difference. So no, gas is not gas........Is water, water??? If your in a chemistry lab, well maybe. Out in the real world, like everyone else here, it means something different. Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 3:15:36 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mike21b@... writes: The additives are different, and are put into the truck after it fills up at the terminal. ....Usually. Chevron does have "Techron" additive in theirs, for whatever that's worth (possibly very little). That said, I don't pay much attention to the brand name of gasoline that I am buying. I do avoid ethanol when possible - I get measurably lower mileage from E90 and I prefer my corn in food rather than my gas tank. Mike Hansen wrote:

> > > All Gasoline is manufactured the same. if its Mobile,shell, chevron, > 7-11 hell you name it. Gas is Gas. the "additives is a selling catch > that the oil companies use to attract customers. the same big rig, > leaves the port full, and delivers to multible stations. gas is gas. > there is color in the additives that determine which station gets > which gas. so, lets say mobil is red, and shell is blue. this is the > oil companies additive in the gas. > > so chevron with techron is no different than wal mart or costco ... > gas is gas. > > Octane rating is whats important to your engine. for proper operation. > you can run your bike on starter fluid, just wont last long !! hahaha > > > >

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[Rickie Johnson]

Hi, I wonder what a 20% blend of Ethanol will run like in a KLR? I heard this morning on the radio that Minnesota is planning on boosting it from 10% to 20% blend in our gasoline. Rick J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

Probably run cooler, lower mileage, and reduce knocking. Straight methanol in race cars run at least 14:1 compression and laugh at that low a compression. You will need serious race gas to do that. Drag alcohol cars frequently run little or no cooling system. But the race cars need a big fuel system, as they burn about twice the methanol as gasoline. The biggest problem is what it will do to the fuel system. Alcohol attacks rubber. I think the KLR manual says up to 10% alcohol is OK. Race car fuel systems are drained and flushed after every race. Methanol very bad for aluminum. Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 4:42:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, motrhed2000@... writes: Hi, I wonder what a 20% blend of Ethanol will run like in a KLR? I heard this morning on the radio that Minnesota is planning on boosting it from 10% to 20% blend in our gasoline. Rick J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635155x1201407495/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fa d.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Quantum placet]

Race cars use Methanol, Pump gas contains Ethanol Not the same chemical

----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Ethanol Probably run cooler, lower mileage, and reduce knocking. Straight methanol in race cars run at least 14:1 compression and laugh at that low a compression. You will need serious race gas to do that. Drag alcohol cars frequently run little or no cooling system. But the race cars need a big fuel system, as they burn about twice the methanol as gasoline. The biggest problem is what it will do to the fuel system. Alcohol attacks rubber. I think the KLR manual says up to 10% alcohol is OK. Race car fuel systems are drained and flushed after every race. Methanol very bad for aluminum. Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 4:42:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, motrhed2000@... writes: Hi, I wonder what a 20% blend of Ethanol will run like in a KLR? I heard this morning on the radio that Minnesota is planning on boosting it from 10% to 20% blend in our gasoline. Rick J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220635155x1201407495/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fa d.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! Groups Links -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.50/2051 - Release Date: 04/09/09 19:01:00

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

But it works largely the same. Some guys are experimenting with E85 ethanol now that race methanol is around $5 a gallon. Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 5:37:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, else22@... writes: Race cars use Methanol, Pump gas contains Ethanol Not the same chemical

----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Ethanol Probably run cooler, lower mileage, and reduce knocking. Straight methanol in race cars run at least 14:1 compression and laugh at that low a compression. You will need serious race gas to do that. Drag alcohol cars frequently run little or no cooling system. But the race cars need a big fuel system, as they burn about twice the methanol as gasoline. The biggest problem is what it will do to the fuel system. Alcohol attacks rubber. I think the KLR manual says up to 10% alcohol is OK. Race car fuel systems are drained and flushed after every race. Methanol very bad for aluminum. Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 4:42:22 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, _motrhed2000@motrhed20_ (mailto:motrhed2000@...) writes: Hi, I wonder what a 20% blend of Ethanol will run like in a KLR? I heard this morning on the radio that Minnesota is planning on boosting it from 10% to 20% blend in our gasoline. Rick J. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] **************************New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starti HREF=_http://pr.atwola.http://pr.atwhttp://pr.atwolahttp://pr.atwolahttp://p r.http://prhtt_ (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575 ... r=http://a) d.doubleclick.d.doublecld.doubleclicd.doubleclid.do [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.Lis List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/List FAQ List Member Map at: _http://www.frappr.http://www.frappht_ (http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo) ! Groups Links ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.50/2051 - Release Date: 04/09/09 19:01:00 **************New Deals on Dell Netbooks Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575 ... r=http:%2F %2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771973%3B35379628%3Bw) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]