[dsn_klr650] gas is gas.. octane rating.......cylinder o

[Mike Hansen]

All Gasoline is manufactured the same. if its Mobile,shell, chevron, 7-11 hell you name it. Gas is Gas. the "additives is a selling catch that the oil companies use to attract customers. the same big rig, leaves the port full, and delivers to multible stations. gas is gas. there is color in the additives that determine which station gets which gas. so, lets say mobil is red, and shell is blue. this is the oil companies additive in the gas. so chevron with techron is no different than wal mart or costco ... gas is gas. Octane rating is whats important to your engine. for proper operation. you can run your bike on starter fluid, just wont last long !! hahaha ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rick McCauley To: dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 2:36:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating.......Cylinder out of round... With all the evidence in, I wonder if: A. KLR tolerances vary enough to make each bike a little different B. Some states rate gasoline different than others. C. Different states use different additives, and or proccesses in there gas. D. Combination of A, B, C. Rick A17

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, jokerloco9@aol. com wrote: From: jokerloco9@aol. com Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating...... .Cylinder out of round... To: hansen.mike@ yahoo.com, dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:27 PM My 06 KLR never pings on 89 octane, running in hot Los Angeles, CA Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:25:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hansen.mike@ yahoo.com writes: Rick I 100% agree with ya. !! here is some info for you Walt: The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter nal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratiosand are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-perfo The KLR has a 9.8:1 compression ratio. 10.:1 ratio is the level at which an engine becomes a high compression, therefore requiring 91 octane or higher fuel. I know my KLR does not ping with 91, but does with any octane lower. if your looking to save a few pennies at the pump.... buy a moped !! haha.. were talking about a 6 gallon tank. most of the time, you fuel up after reserve kicks in. so, 4.5 gallons of fuel thats 6 cents more... no problem.. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: k650 To: _ramachm12@yahoo. ram_ (mailto:ramachm12@ yahoo. com) ; _dsn_klr650@ yahoogrodsn_ klr_ (mailto:dsn_ klr650@yahoogro ups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:55:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular gas the cost per mile should still be less. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: yaho> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 octane. I have had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the highest octane I can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 octane. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: From: k650 Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" To: "KLR" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that mineral oil do. On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the bike. tires size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with research octane 91 min. now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 miles , I would want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would help. with the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: revmaaatin To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen wrote: SNIP if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > -Mike- > Hi Mike, Just curious. How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. Substantiation please. =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" word (farkle) is used repeatedly. revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on 87/85 octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products--I use them in the car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr _ (http://www.frappr /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr _ (http://www.frappr /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! 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[Rick McCauley]

maybe it is just "A" then. Rick A17

--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Mike Hansen wrote: From: Mike Hansen Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Gas is Gas.. Octane Rating.......Cylinder out of round... To: "KLR" dsn_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:47 PM All Gasoline is manufactured the same. if its Mobile,shell, chevron, 7-11 hell you name it. Gas is Gas. the "additives is a selling catch that the oil companies use to attract customers. the same big rig, leaves the port full, and delivers to multible stations. gas is gas. there is color in the additives that determine which station gets which gas. so, lets say mobil is red, and shell is blue. this is the oil companies additive in the gas. so chevron with techron is no different than wal mart or costco ... gas is gas. Octane rating is whats important to your engine. for proper operation. you can run your bike on starter fluid, just wont last long !! hahaha ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Rick McCauley To: dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 2:36:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating...... .Cylinder out of round... With all the evidence in, I wonder if: A. KLR tolerances vary enough to make each bike a little different B. Some states rate gasoline different than others. C. Different states use different additives, and or proccesses in there gas. D. Combination of A, B, C. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, jokerloco9@aol. com wrote: From: jokerloco9@aol. com Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Octane Rating...... .Cylinder out of round... To: hansen.mike@ yahoo.com, dsn_klr650@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 4:27 PM My 06 KLR never pings on 89 octane, running in hot Los Angeles, CA Jeff A20 In a message dated 4/9/2009 2:25:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, hansen.mike@ yahoo.com writes: Rick I 100% agree with ya. !! here is some info for you Walt: The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter The octane rating is a measure of the resistance of gasolineand other fuelsto detonation(engine knocking) in spark-ignitioninter nal combustion engines. High-performance engines typically have higher compression ratiosand are therefore more prone to detonation, so they require higher octane fuel. A lower-perfo The KLR has a 9.8:1 compression ratio. 10.:1 ratio is the level at which an engine becomes a high compression, therefore requiring 91 octane or higher fuel. I know my KLR does not ping with 91, but does with any octane lower. if your looking to save a few pennies at the pump.... buy a moped !! haha.. were talking about a 6 gallon tank. most of the time, you fuel up after reserve kicks in. so, 4.5 gallons of fuel thats 6 cents more... no problem.. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: k650 To: _ramachm12@yahoo. ram_ (mailto:ramachm12@ yahoo. com) ; _dsn_klr650@ yahoogrodsn_ klr_ (mailto:dsn_ klr650@yahoogro ups.com) Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:55:10 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Your bike is either set excessively lean or has large carbon deposits on the piston top, valves and head. I would try adjusting the mixture screw. You might lose an MPG or two but with the less expensive regular gas the cost per mile should still be less. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick McCauley" To: yaho> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:44 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... You can all use 87 octane if you want, but my bike gets Shell 93 octane. I have had to put other gas in at different times but I always use the highest octane I can find. My bike rattles like a garbage can full of bolts if i use 87 octane. Rick A17 --- On Thu, 4/9/09, k650 wrote: From: k650 Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... To: "Mike Hansen" , "KLR" > Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 3:35 PM A research octane of 91 is the same as 87 octane at the pump. The method used to arrive at the octane rating is different. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hansen" To: "KLR" Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... Synthetic oil stays cooler, doesnt reach as high of temps that mineral oil do. On your left side cover, were it has your info tag/plate for the bike. tires size,spark plug,gap, oil, etc... it also says fuel= Gasloine with research octane 91 min. now, The oil issue, If your running close to redline for 500 miles , I would want to keep my engine as cool as possible , so synthetic would help. with the Fuel. its Kawasaki's recommendation. -Mike- ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: revmaaatin To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 9:42:47 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [DSN_KLR650] Cylinder out of round... --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, Mike Hansen wrote: SNIP if your running 5k+ RPM's . You should be using synthetic engine oil. Plus, not sure what fuel you feed your engine, but 91 Octane is required. > > -Mike- > Hi Mike, Just curious. How did you come to this conclusion that synthetic should be used. How did you conclude that 91 Octane is required. Substantiation please. =without conjecture and postulation of an arbitrary thesis caveat: humor with verbose conjecture allowed as long as the KLR "F" word (farkle) is used repeatedly. revmaaatin. always curious why my bike runs just fine at 5Krpms on 87/85 octane and dino oil--not that I have anything against syn products--I use them in the car [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr _ (http://www.frappr /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------ --------- --------- ------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews. com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/ klr650faq. html Member Map at: _http://www.frappr _ (http://www.frappr /) com/dsnklr650Yah oo! 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[Mike Frey]

The additives are different, and are put into the truck after it fills up at the terminal. ....Usually. Chevron does have "Techron" additive in theirs, for whatever that's worth (possibly very little). That said, I don't pay much attention to the brand name of gasoline that I am buying. I do avoid ethanol when possible - I get measurably lower mileage from E90 and I prefer my corn in food rather than my gas tank. Mike Hansen wrote:

> > > All Gasoline is manufactured the same. if its Mobile,shell, chevron, > 7-11 hell you name it. Gas is Gas. the "additives is a selling catch > that the oil companies use to attract customers. the same big rig, > leaves the port full, and delivers to multible stations. gas is gas. > there is color in the additives that determine which station gets > which gas. so, lets say mobil is red, and shell is blue. this is the > oil companies additive in the gas. > > so chevron with techron is no different than wal mart or costco ... > gas is gas. > > Octane rating is whats important to your engine. for proper operation. > you can run your bike on starter fluid, just wont last long !! hahaha > > > >