2006 loaded klr

[Lee Dodge]

If my memory is correct I was taught to place the copper piece to be annealed on a piece of steel somewhat thicker than the copper then heat the copper by heating the steel to a dull red (it's easier to see the color with steel). Hold the color for a time so that the copper reaches the same temp - yes, that's a judgement call - then tip the copper piece off the steel so it falls edge-on into the water. Use this for any copper head or flange gasket or sealing washer. L Dodge

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, fasteddiecopeman wrote: From: fasteddiecopeman Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re:Oil drain plug washers To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 9:23 AM J, No need tp replace them - just keep re-annealing them forever, or till they break! Ed --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "nakedwaterskier" wrote: > > I could have sworn that you cool slowly...But, mine have been annealed > several times already. So, time for some new ones. > > J > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[maudibbb]

Copper and steel are not the same when it comes to annealing and hardening. Different metals, aluminum as an example, perform differently when heating/cooling. In the case of copper, once annealed, whether cooled slowly or quenched rapidly, the results are pretty much the same. The copper has become annealed, and work hardening for example has gone away. Since each metal is chemically different, it only stands to reason that they will react differently to the effects of heating and cooling. Even among alloy steels for example, there are different techniques that are used to temper, because of the different makeup of the steels. With copper, generally speaking you want to bring it up to over 50% of it's melting point to anneal. Most non labs as one person suggested just bring the copper to red hot, although the higher the temperature, the more oxidation will occur. They can then just cool as they want with good results. I can provide technical data if needed.

[Lou]

At 04:34 AM 1/8/2009, maudibbb wrote:

>Copper and steel are not the same when it comes to annealing and >hardening. Different metals, aluminum as an example, perform >differently when heating/cooling. In the case of copper, once >annealed, whether cooled slowly or quenched rapidly, the results are >pretty much the same.

Yes! Hot copper is usually quenched for convenience (and safety), but it's annealed as soon as it gets hot enough. There are some unusual bronzes that can be alloyed to exhibit some slight quench-hardening, but gasket copper is just not gonna care. The other really important difference between steel and copper during the annealing process -- for those who have never done it -- is that copper conducts heat VERY QUICKLY. It is possible to heat one end of a steel bar to cherry red while holding the other end in your hand. Try that with (for example) a piece of copper pipe, and you'll get a terrible surprise -- the heat you put into the work-end will show up in the handle-end in a matter of a few seconds. That is why it can be difficult to anneal the end of a big copper bar -- you end up having to get the entire bar very hot in order to get the end hot enough to reach annealing temperature, and the ordinary little shop-grade propane torch often doesn't put out enough heat.

[fasteddiecopeman]

I just bend a piece of coat hanger to hold the washer, fire up the propane torch, heat the washer till it's glowing red and dump it into a cup of water. BINGO - done! Ed

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Lee Dodge wrote: > > If my memory is correct I was taught to place the copper piece to be annealed on a piece of steel somewhat thicker than the copper then heat the copper by heating the steel to a dull red (it's easier to see the color with steel). Hold the color for a time so that the copper reaches the same temp - yes, that's a judgement call - then tip the copper piece off the steel so it falls edge-on into the water. Use this for any copper head or flange gasket or sealing washer. > > L Dodge

[Mike Huber]

With all the discussion about annealing the oil plug washer, I was wondering if you could do the same to the exhaust gasket ??? It seems to be copper also. I bought an 06 KLR about 5 mo. ago off ebay and the guy will not send me a clear title So I bought a 05 frame with a clear title and I'm in the process of swapping frames so I can get it licensed....The good thing is I can do all the reqired mantainance while it's apart....The bad thing is It was 78 degrees down here in Carlsbad NM and my bike is in pieces Mike Huber Da new guy on da list !!! To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.comFrom: fasteddiecopeman@...: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 04:22:07 +0000Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: annealing Copper I just bend a piece of coat hanger to hold the washer, fire up the propane torch, heat the washer till it's glowing red and dump it into a cup of water.BINGO - done!Ed--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Lee Dodge wrote:>> If my memory is correct I was taught to place the copper piece to be annealed on a piece of steel somewhat thicker than the copper then heat the copper by heating the steel to a dull red (it's easier to see the color with steel). Hold the color for a time so that the copper reaches the same temp - yes, that's a judgement call - then tip the copper piece off the steel so it falls edge-on into the water. Use this for any copper head or flange gasket or sealing washer.> > L Dodge [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Skypilot]

How much are these copper rings that it is worth annealing them? Haven t gotten that far into the Mileage on the klr yet so I really don t know how much they cost Re: annealing Copper Posted by: "Lee Dodge" ldodge3082@... ldodge3082 Wed Jan 7, 2009 11:04 pm (PST) If my memory is correct I was taught to place the copper piece to be annealed on a piece of steel somewhat thicker than the copper then heat the copper by heating the steel to a dull red (it's easier to see the color with steel). Hold the color for a time so that the copper reaches the same temp - yes, that's a judgement call - then tip the copper piece off the steel so it falls edge-on into the water. Use this for any copper head or flange gasket or sealing washer. L Dodge

--- On Wed, 1/7/09, fasteddiecopeman wrote:

[fasteddiecopeman]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Skypilot" wrote:

> > How much are these copper rings that it is worth annealing them? Haven't > gotten that far into the Mileage on the klr yet so I really don't know how > much they cost

It's NOT how much they cost - it's about not wasting things; and also about changing your oil then realizing you don't have a new copper gasket...! Ed

[Joe Tittiger]

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