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[Jim Douglas]

Tom Zangla wrote:

> > Went out to go for a ride (25 degrees) today and the KLR would not > turn over. I took the battery out to check the fluid level and it > was in specs. > > This battery was hooked up to a trickle charger and I had just > disconnected it. I took the battery out and brought it in the house > and hooked up another trickle charger and nothing showed on the charger. > > I had another battery and hooked the charger to it and it showed that > the trickle charger was working. > > This is the second time I have had this happen. Last winter I had a > AGM battery that went dead and I could not get the trickle charger to > work on it. I sent it back and they e mailed me back that the AGM > battery had been totally discharged but they got it charged back up. > > When I turned off the ignition and locked the forks I check to make > sure the tail light is not on when I park it. > > A couple of questions. What do you think could at times be draining > the battery? If a battery gets too far drained will a trickle charger > work on it? How can I test this dead batter to find out what is > the problem with it. > > Thanks in advance > Tom > SW Pennsylvania > >

An old fisherman guy told me NEVER charge a battery on cememt floor ? HE swore that it wold f&ck up the battery, he had bass boat with trolling motor/battery for years, anyone else hear this? Back when he told me I was like 'sure' got ya and all and for some reason remembered it today!

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:45:38 -0600 Jim Douglas writes:

> An old fisherman guy told me NEVER charge a battery on cememt floor > ? HE > swore > that it wold f&ck up the battery, he had bass boat with trolling > motor/battery > for years, anyone else hear this? Back when he told me I was like > 'sure' > got ya > and all and for some reason remembered it today!

<><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><> Jim, I remember hearing that too. In the last few years a guy that is way more knowledgeable than me stated that was never true. I still put my batteries on a piece of wood and not directly on cement. : ) Maybe it's just habit and maybe I'm just trying to not mess up the cement. My shop floor shows where batteries were place maybe 30 or more years ago. I've only owned the floor for 7 1/2 years but know it wasn't me that did the damage to the concrete. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click here to get a payday loan. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2P9vPUOqYn267hOXzTocJJsrul6vV2bFS4vDYAM3UvNsP1C/

[The Reverend]

Spark proof batteries need to see 3 volts before they start charging. If your battery was completely dead, the charger wouldn't see the voltage and start charging. You might want to 'help' it with another battery to jump start it, then it should go.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Zangla" > I had another battery and hooked the charger to it and it showed that > the trickle charger was working.

[The Reverend]

Not storing a battery on a concrete floor is myth. Batteries have been made of polypropylene for a very long time at this point.

[Cindy & Wayne Burner]

I was told by an old timer, that the only way that a cement floor will harm a battery, is if you drop it on one. Studded the four wheeler tires on Friday night, but the KLR didn't want to play any reindeer games with us on Saturday, what a blast! Wayne(rice)Burner More snow coming in NH

[dooden]

I milked another year outta a 14.4v drill battery whenever it would'nt start charging, by using my Jumppack and a couple of nails clamped in the clips and holding the nails to the battery terminals for a few minutes at a time till there was enough juice in the battery pack to make the charger start charging. Dooden A15 Green Ape

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "The Reverend" wrote: > > Spark proof batteries need to see 3 volts before they start charging. If > your battery was completely dead, the charger wouldn't see the voltage and > start charging. You might want to 'help' it with another battery to jump > start it, then it should go. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Zangla" > > I had another battery and hooked the charger to it and it showed that > > the trickle charger was working. >

[Jim Douglas]

The Reverend wrote:

> > Not storing a battery on a concrete floor is myth. Batteries have been > made > of polypropylene for a very long time at this point. > >

But what would of caused the case to be part of the legend, what were they made of before! There must of been some truth as folks from all over have indicated that they had heard something like this?

[Lou]

At 09:07 AM 1/11/2009, Jim Douglas wrote:

> > >But what would of caused the case to be part of the legend, what were >they made of before! There must of been some truth as folks from all >over have indicated that they had heard something like this?

The same folks have also heard that hangovers are caused by bad ice cubes or poor-quality mixer. Deeply-discharged ("flat") batteries are much more susceptible to freeze damage than fully-charged batteries. Concrete floors in unheated garages or outbuildings are often very cold places. A poorly maintained battery with a lot of moist conductive dirt on the case can discharge itself quite a bit in three months' time, become vulnerable to freezing, and die The Death. And that's only one of hundreds of possible explanations that would have to be considered before it would be reasonable to conclude that "concrete floors ruin batteries". People have just been remarking in the Cordless Tool thread that a single bad cell can ruin a battery's function; this is true of series-connected lead-acid (vehicle battery) cells too. There are dozens of variables to be accounted for. If the hangover is caused by bad ice cubes, and battery damage is caused by concrete floors, then there's no reason why we should cut back on drinking or store our batteries fully-charged in a warm place. And people with that attitude continue to have the same problems -- which (for them) reinforces their myths. But concrete floors, per se, do not damage batteries. I, of course, would *never* toss pinches of salt over my left shoulder to appease the demons, nor would I *always* rest the battery on a piece of wood "just in case" -- oh no, not me! -- well, hey, nothing wrong with having a few superstitions, is there? And no harm in avoiding those ice-cube machines either. Can't be too cautious these days. Lou McIntosh green '08 Maine

[Horton Oliphant]

Thanks. Alan klr650a18 wrote:

> > It has been disabled for about a month now. Baldy is in the middle of > upgrading the hardware again, it had run out of space. > > Gavin > Broadford Australia > >

[Doug Herr]

On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 08:07 -0600, Jim Douglas wrote:

> The Reverend wrote: > > > > Not storing a battery on a concrete floor is myth. Batteries have been > > made > > of polypropylene for a very long time at this point. > > > > > But what would of caused the case to be part of the legend, what were > they made of before! There must of been some truth as folks from all > over have indicated that they had heard something like this?

It was true for different reasons for a variety of older battery types: http://www.homepower.com/article/?file=HP127_pg12_ATE_5 -- Doug Herr doug@...