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[rockiedog2]

Jackass is blowing oil out from under his oil filter cover...has been for a while. I have changed the oring a couple times and even let the Kawasaki dealer in Fairbanks try to fix it...risky move I know but they are an unusually competent seeming bunch there and quick to help a traveler...it is coming out at about the 8 oclock position and while it is a small quantity of oil it looks kinda like it may be pressure fed as it keeps a small area adjacent blown clean with pressurized oil. I am wondering now if maybe the crankcase vent is stopped up and furthermore where is it...I have called myself looking everywhere, and can't find a reference to it in the Cylmer but know it's there somewhere...help please Joe

[kl650a@verizon.net]

The oil filter cover has pressure behind it because it is fed by the oil pump. It is supposed to be pressurized and has nothing to do with the crankcase pressure or crankcase vent. The leak as you described is caused by one of the following. Use of the wrong O-ring or damage to it caused by a nick in the cover or housing. The cover or housing is distorted, nicked or porous. Yes, porous as in leaking though the metal. This is a known but uncommon KLR issue. Walt

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:32 AM, rockiedog2 wrote: > Jackass is blowing oil out from under his oil filter cover...has been for a while. I have changed the oring a couple times and even let the Kawasaki dealer in Fairbanks try to fix it...risky move I know but they are an unusually competent seeming bunch there and quick to help a traveler...it is coming out at about the 8 oclock position and while it is a small quantity of oil it looks kinda like it may be pressure fed as it keeps a small area adjacent blown clean with pressurized oil. I am wondering now if maybe the crankcase vent is stopped up and furthermore where is it...I have called myself looking everywhere, and can't find a reference to it in the Cylmer but know it's there somewhere...help please Joe ------------------------------------ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo!> http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo!> Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/join> (Yahoo! ID required) DSN_KLR650-digest@yahoogroups.com> mailto:DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com> DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com> DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:32:16 -0000 "rockiedog2" writes:

> Jackass is blowing oil out from under his oil filter cover...has been > > for a while. I have changed the oring a couple times and even let > the > Kawasaki dealer in Fairbanks try to fix it...risky move I know but > they > are an unusually competent seeming bunch there and quick to help a > traveler...it is coming out at about the 8 oclock position and while > it > is a small quantity of oil it looks kinda like it may be pressure > fed > as it keeps a small area adjacent blown clean with pressurized oil. > I > am wondering now if maybe the crankcase vent is stopped up and > furthermore where is it...I have called myself looking everywhere, > and > can't find a reference to it in the Cylmer but know it's there > somewhere...help please > > Joe

<><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><> Joe, Probably two separate issues going on. The crankcase vent is located at the rear of the engine on the left side. Take a look next to the rear shock and you'll see the hose running vertical to the air box. Some folks are putting a PCV valve in the line and claiming it improves performance and reduces oil use. The valve folks are suggesting is a Fram FV345 which fits a 1994 Chrysler LHS 3.5 liter MFI engine. Put the threaded end towards the airbox. The cover is over a pressurized area. So I don't think the crankcase vent is related to oil leakage at the cover. Might be a warped cover since you've replaced the o-ring a few times. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Free information - Learn about Security Cameras. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mYHpr5xAOBdcZN7pyQhG3UwD4uW9GklcLhYe9iBntZ0PFju/

[rockiedog2]

Walt Thanks for the reply. I know that the oil is under pressure from the pump and that the filter housing is filled with pressurized oil...the o ring(s) are the correct ones and not damaged, there is no nick on the cover or the housing, it may very well be distorted or porous; I haven't checked that but will. It is possible I think that excessive crankcase pressure added to the normal pressure in the filter housing might cause a leak...I don't know if the oil filter housing is vented into the crankcase or not...if not then that would probably eliminate the possibility of the crankcase vent being stopped up and causing the leak. Or something like that. I think I will just let it keep leaking. Thanks again Joe

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, kl650a@... wrote: > > > The oil filter cover has pressure behind it because it is fed by > the oil pump. It is supposed to be pressurized and has nothing > to do with the crankcase pressure or crankcase vent. > > The leak as you described is caused by one of the following. > > Use of the wrong O-ring or damage to it caused by a nick > in the cover or housing. > > The cover or housing is distorted, nicked or porous. > Yes, porous as in leaking though the metal. This is a known but > uncommon KLR issue. > > Walt > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:32 AM, rockiedog2 wrote: > > > Jackass is blowing oil out from under his oil filter cover...has been > for a while. I have changed the oring a couple times and even let the > Kawasaki dealer in Fairbanks try to fix it...risky move I know but they > are an unusually competent seeming bunch there and quick to help a > traveler...it is coming out at about the 8 oclock position and while it > is a small quantity of oil it looks kinda like it may be pressure fed > as it keeps a small area adjacent blown clean with pressurized oil. I > am wondering now if maybe the crankcase vent is stopped up and > furthermore where is it...I have called myself looking everywhere, and > can't find a reference to it in the Cylmer but know it's there > somewhere...help please > > Joe > > ------------------------------------ > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo! > http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo!> > http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650Yahoo!> Groups Links > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DSN_KLR650/join> > (Yahoo! ID required) > > DSN_KLR650-digest@yahoogroups.com> > mailto:DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com> > DSN_KLR650-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com> > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[rockiedog2]

Jeff Thanks. Do you know if the filter housing has access to crankcase pressure? Joe

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:32:16 -0000 "rockiedog2" > writes: > > Jackass is blowing oil out from under his oil filter cover...has been > > > > for a while. I have changed the oring a couple times and even let > > the > > Kawasaki dealer in Fairbanks try to fix it...risky move I know but > > they > > are an unusually competent seeming bunch there and quick to help a > > traveler...it is coming out at about the 8 oclock position and while > > it > > is a small quantity of oil it looks kinda like it may be pressure > > fed > > as it keeps a small area adjacent blown clean with pressurized oil. > > I > > am wondering now if maybe the crankcase vent is stopped up and > > furthermore where is it...I have called myself looking everywhere, > > and > > can't find a reference to it in the Cylmer but know it's there > > somewhere...help please > > > > Joe > <><><><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><><><> > > Joe, > > Probably two separate issues going on. The crankcase vent is located at > the rear of the engine on the left side. Take a look next to the rear > shock and you'll see the hose running vertical to the air box. Some > folks are putting a PCV valve in the line and claiming it improves > performance and reduces oil use. The valve folks are suggesting is a > Fram FV345 which fits a 1994 Chrysler LHS 3.5 liter MFI engine. Put the > threaded end towards the airbox. > > The cover is over a pressurized area. So I don't think the crankcase > vent is related to oil leakage at the cover. Might be a warped cover > since you've replaced the o-ring a few times. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > ____________________________________________________________ > Free information - Learn about Security Cameras. Click now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mYHpr5xAOBdcZN7pyQh G3UwD4uW9GklcLhYe9iBntZ0PFju/ >

[Jeff Saline]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:25:47 -0000 "rockiedog2" writes:

> Jeff > Thanks. Do you know if the filter housing has access to crankcase > pressure? > > Joe

<><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> Joe, The filter housing does not have direct access to the crankcase in the respect you are asking about. The pressure in the filter housing does get to the crankcase eventually through the oil passages. I know that's not what you're asking. : ) If I recall correctly the KLR oil pressure was measured by Norm Keller a few years ago. I think it was significantly less than 20 psi and maybe 14 psi when the engine is at operating temperature. I think some of the KLR engine is splash lubricated. From all that I've read of your problem you have an ineffective seal at the oil filter cavity and cover. So that's the place to look for answers as to why it's leaking. My bet is going on a warped cover. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mItjEjWLiRzRoTzzlq71VYTMDXSt2AigBdQrkxxduwXTbgg/

[rockiedog2]

Thanks again Jeff. I agree the seal is the most likely problem and will go for it there probably with another cover first since it has been inspected visually several times and with no apparent defect. Anybody got a used oil filter cover plate they want to sell kinda cheap? Joe It's 101 degrees F in Mississippi today

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:25:47 -0000 "rockiedog2" > writes: > > Jeff > > Thanks. Do you know if the filter housing has access to crankcase > > pressure? > > > > Joe > <><><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><><> > > Joe, > > The filter housing does not have direct access to the crankcase in the > respect you are asking about. > > The pressure in the filter housing does get to the crankcase eventually > through the oil passages. I know that's not what you're asking. : ) > > If I recall correctly the KLR oil pressure was measured by Norm Keller a > few years ago. I think it was significantly less than 20 psi and maybe > 14 psi when the engine is at operating temperature. I think some of the > KLR engine is splash lubricated. > > From all that I've read of your problem you have an ineffective seal at > the oil filter cavity and cover. So that's the place to look for answers > as to why it's leaking. My bet is going on a warped cover. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > ____________________________________________________________ > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals nationwide > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mItjEjWLiRzRoTzzlq7 1VYTMDXSt2AigBdQrkxxduwXTbgg/ >

[Arden Kysely]

Have you looked inside the oil filter cavity to see if there's a scratch or gouge that would prevent the O-ring from sealing properly? You probably would have noticed by now, but any chance that the bolts holding the cover aren't tight enough due to stripped threads in the side case? __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Thanks again Jeff. I agree the seal is the most likely problem and > will go for it there probably with another cover first since it has > been inspected visually several times and with no apparent defect. > Anybody got a used oil filter cover plate they want to sell kinda > cheap? > > Joe > It's 101 degrees F in Mississippi today > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:25:47 -0000 "rockiedog2" > > writes: > > > Jeff > > > Thanks. Do you know if the filter housing has access to

crankcase

> > > pressure? > > > > > > Joe > > <><><><><><><><><> > > <><><><><><><><><> > > > > Joe, > > > > The filter housing does not have direct access to the crankcase

in

> the > > respect you are asking about. > > > > The pressure in the filter housing does get to the crankcase > eventually > > through the oil passages. I know that's not what you're > asking. : ) > > > > If I recall correctly the KLR oil pressure was measured by Norm > Keller a > > few years ago. I think it was significantly less than 20 psi and > maybe > > 14 psi when the engine is at operating temperature. I think some > of the > > KLR engine is splash lubricated. > > > > From all that I've read of your problem you have an ineffective > seal at > > the oil filter cavity and cover. So that's the place to look for > answers > > as to why it's leaking. My bet is going on a warped cover. > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals > nationwide > > >

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[Spike55]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Thanks again Jeff. I agree the seal is the most likely problem and > will go for it there probably with another cover first since it has > been inspected visually several times and with no apparent defect. > Anybody got a used oil filter cover plate they want to sell kinda > cheap? > > Joe > It's 101 degrees F in Mississippi today > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:25:47 -0000 "rockiedog2" > > writes: > > > Jeff > > > Thanks. Do you know if the filter housing has access to

crankcase

> > > pressure? > > > > > > Joe > > <><><><><><><><><> > > <><><><><><><><><> > > > > Joe, > > > > The filter housing does not have direct access to the crankcase

in

> the > > respect you are asking about. > > > > The pressure in the filter housing does get to the crankcase > eventually > > through the oil passages. I know that's not what you're > asking. : ) > > > > If I recall correctly the KLR oil pressure was measured by Norm > Keller a > > few years ago. I think it was significantly less than 20 psi and > maybe > > 14 psi when the engine is at operating temperature. I think some > of the > > KLR engine is splash lubricated. > > > > From all that I've read of your problem you have an ineffective > seal at > > the oil filter cavity and cover. So that's the place to look for > answers > > as to why it's leaking. My bet is going on a warped cover. > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals > nationwide > > >

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[Spike55]

Sorry about that. My '06 had a leak like that from new and several O-rings later the dealer changed the cover and the problem was solved. Live with it for now but order a new cover. Dob R100, A6F --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "rockiedog2" wrote:

> > Thanks again Jeff. I agree the seal is the most likely problem and > will go for it there probably with another cover first since it has > been inspected visually several times and with no apparent defect. > Anybody got a used oil filter cover plate they want to sell kinda > cheap? > > Joe > It's 101 degrees F in Mississippi today > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 16:25:47 -0000 "rockiedog2" > > writes: > > > Jeff > > > Thanks. Do you know if the filter housing has access to

crankcase

> > > pressure? > > > > > > Joe > > <><><><><><><><><> > > <><><><><><><><><> > > > > Joe, > > > > The filter housing does not have direct access to the crankcase

in

> the > > respect you are asking about. > > > > The pressure in the filter housing does get to the crankcase > eventually > > through the oil passages. I know that's not what you're > asking. : ) > > > > If I recall correctly the KLR oil pressure was measured by Norm > Keller a > > few years ago. I think it was significantly less than 20 psi and > maybe > > 14 psi when the engine is at operating temperature. I think some > of the > > KLR engine is splash lubricated. > > > > From all that I've read of your problem you have an ineffective > seal at > > the oil filter cavity and cover. So that's the place to look for > answers > > as to why it's leaking. My bet is going on a warped cover. > > > > Best, > > > > Jeff Saline > > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Click for FHA loan, $0 lender fees, low rates & approvals > nationwide > > >

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