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[gbthacker_99]

When you guys are planning trips to places you haven't been to how do you find the, trails, dirt roads and forrest roads in the area? Is there a source for good detailed maps on a state to state basis? Thanks for the help

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "gbthacker_99" wrote:

> > When you guys are planning trips to places you haven't been to how do > you find the, trails, dirt roads and forrest roads in the area? Is > there a source for good detailed maps on a state to state basis?

Start with these three federal agencies: U.S. Forest Service -- national forests. U.S. Park Service -- national parks. U.S. Bureau of Land Management -- other federal lands. Look for forests, parks, and BLM districts in the area you're interested in, and if necessary contact them directly for OHV maps and such.

[Bob Monahan]

Gtb, USGS Topo Maps.... If you use a Garmin GPS then use... http://www8.garmin.com/cartography/mapSource/topous.jsp You can also use it on your computer... It's GREAT and almost always has roads in National Forests etc.!!! I prefer to get it on DVD so I can use it on my computers and load whatever parts I need on my GPS's. $bob$ _____ When you guys are planning trips to places you haven't been to how do you find the, trails, dirt roads and forrest roads in the area? Is there a source for good detailed maps on a state to state basis? Thanks for the help [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jeff Saline]

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:44:16 -0000 "gbthacker_99" writes:

> When you guys are planning trips to places you haven't been to how do > > you find the, trails, dirt roads and forrest roads in the area? Is > > there a source for good detailed maps on a state to state basis? > > Thanks for the help

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[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Monahan" wrote:

> > Gtb, > > USGS Topo Maps....

These are always seriously out of date, showing trails that no longer exist, roads that were re-routed 30 years ago, etc. They are invaluable for topographers and historians and show things like old RR grades and such that are historically interesting places to explore (but probably on foot rather than on bike unless it was recently abandoned, alas), but not so good for finding places to ride.

> If you use a Garmin GPS then use... > > http://www8.garmin.com/cartography/mapSource/topous.jsp

This is slightly more up-to-date. But nothing beats roaring in to a National Forest ranger station and getting the most current OHV map for that NF. That has the most current roads and trails as of the last time the map was updated, which usually was within the last five years.

[Ron and Brenda Moorhouse]

Up where I go, in Stanislaus Natl Forest there are mounds and mounds of changes from what shows on USGS Maps and the official Forest Map (1993!!). Definitely stop at Forest Service and get paper maps, as others have suggested; though the ones in Stan Forest are difficult to read, it does help a bunch mapping out on computer at home and/or finding alternates. Being adventuresome, I kind of like just mapping out my trip, taking plenty of water and fishing gear, and when hit closed or no longer existing road, etc........pull out the maps, take a look around me on the GPS and find another way to keep going to my destination. Worse case, back track a try another pre-determined trip in the same area. Avoid the temptation to go cross country to another road, or venture into closed areas! Ron Moorhouse Modesto, CA

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "Bob Monahan" wrote: > > Gtb, > > USGS Topo Maps.... These are always seriously out of date, showing trails that no longer exist, roads that were re-routed 30 years ago, etc. They are invaluable for topographers and historians and show things like old RR grades and such that are historically interesting places to explore (but probably on foot rather than on bike unless it was recently abandoned, alas), but not so good for finding places to ride. > If you use a Garmin GPS then use... > > http://www8. garmin.com/ cartography/ mapSource/ topous.jsp This is slightly more up-to-date. But nothing beats roaring in to a National Forest ranger station and getting the most current OHV map for that NF. That has the most current roads and trails as of the last time the map was updated, which usually was within the last five years. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Arden Kysely]

I like the USFS and BLM maps as well. One caution: while you're perusing them, make sure you know what the symbol for 'locked gate' looks like. Might save you some backtracking. So can a phone call to the district ranger's office. Another good source for back roads, depending on your state, are AAA county maps. They do a great job in southern California, especially the desert. My favorite canyon country planner is the AAA Indian Country map. It's kept up to date and does a good job of showing the KLR roads. I have versions of it going back many years, and have watched the good backroads gradually morph into gravel, then tar, then pavement. Ride 'em while you can! __Arden

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "E.L. Green" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Monahan" wrote: > > > > Gtb, > > > > USGS Topo Maps.... > > These are always seriously out of date, showing trails that no longer > exist, roads that were re-routed 30 years ago, etc. They are > invaluable for topographers and historians and show things like old RR > grades and such that are historically interesting places to explore > (but probably on foot rather than on bike unless it was recently > abandoned, alas), but not so good for finding places to ride. > > > If you use a Garmin GPS then use... > > > > http://www8.garmin.com/cartography/mapSource/topous.jsp > > This is slightly more up-to-date. But nothing beats roaring in to a > National Forest ranger station and getting the most current OHV map > for that NF. That has the most current roads and trails as of the last > time the map was updated, which usually was within the last five years. >

[Kevin Powers]

The USGS now allows you to download all USGS topos as a zipped .pdf file for no cost. These are the full topo maps, and include the border and date. http://store.usgs.gov/scripts/wgate/ZWW20/!?~language=en&~theme=GP&OSTORE=USGSGP&~OKCODE=STARThttp://store.usgs.gov/scripts/wgate/ZWW20/%21?%7Elanguage=en&%7Etheme=GP&OSTORE=USGSGP&%7EOKCODE=START> Click on *Map Locator and Downloader* -- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tengai Mark Van Horn]

At 9:22 PM +0000 7/1/08, Mark Harfenist wrote:

>The only remaining mystery is: are there likely ill effects due to >running the bike without this thrust washer for eight or ten thousand >miles?

I'd probably replace the bearings on that shaft. Inspect the sprocket and balancer chain for weird wear too. Mark