08 klr electrical short (need advice on getting dealer repairs u

[Bogdan Swider]

On 6/4/08 10:27 AM, "D Critchley" wrote:

> > > > Stretching the coil spring was a nuisance for me until my brother told > me that a piece of twine wrapped around the heavy glove that you have on > your right hand makes it easy to mount and dismount the spring. It is > the "stretch and release "programme. > > DC >

OK.. you won t be the first to call me slow.......I don t get it; can t paint a picture in my mind. Bogdan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

Thats cause you stepped in the paint bucket !!!! Honestly, paint must be short supply, cause I do not get it either. Wrap string and pull on it ? Might as wel use Brake Pliers. Dooden A15 Green Ape - -- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote:

> > > > > On 6/4/08 10:27 AM, "D Critchley" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Stretching the coil spring was a nuisance for me until my brother

told

> > me that a piece of twine wrapped around the heavy glove that you

have on

> > your right hand makes it easy to mount and dismount the spring.

It is

> > the "stretch and release "programme. > > > > DC > > > OK.. you won t be the first to call me slow.......I don t get it;

can t

> paint a picture in my mind. > > > Bogdan > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

[Jacobus De Bruyn]

Before welding on the bike, I would remove the fuel tank first. Or is that not an issue? Jacostarica.

[Rick]

My wife & I each have lowered KLRs. I had to cut & shorten both sidestands and have them rewelded. The first bike the welder connected his ground to the sidestand and welded everything just fine. The second bike was grounded in a similar place and the spring for the kickstand stretched during welding and stayed that way. I don't know the reason but I did have to replace the sidestand spring on the second bike.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddiebmauri" wrote: > > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's side > stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or disconnect > the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to welding? > Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > stand?" > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway up > the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa") >

[stevedyer@cox.net]

Same thing happened to me, except on my A13 the welder grounded to the front motor mount. This stretched the cylinder and now I have a 750. Steve ---- rick wrote: My wife & I each have lowered KLRs. I had to cut & shorten both sidestands and have them rewelded. The first bike the welder connected his ground to the sidestand and welded everything just fine. The second bike was grounded in a similar place and the spring for the kickstand stretched during welding and stayed that way. I don't know the reason but I did have to replace the sidestand spring on the second bike.

[Jeff Saline]

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Jacobus De Bruyn writes:

> Before welding on the bike, I would remove the fuel > tank first. Or is that not an issue? Jacostarica.

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Jake, That shouldn't be an issue if the tank isn't leaking or I suppose it could be if the welder is using oxy-fuel and is careless with the torch. Same thing as it shouldn't be an issue welding with the sidestand in place as long as you ground to the washer or sidestand and not the motor mount, frame, chain etc. One rule when welding is to not have the welding current pass through joints such as the sidestand pivot or the steering head, swing arm, rear suspension linkage or wheel bearings. Probably good to also not let it pass through cables like the clutch or throttle. Best, Jeff ____________________________________________________________ Click here for great computer networking solutions! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oHgMPuDD6MnkfP9iKudHDTFai6dh2zbUN9CEUzYB4z77bgA/

[Jeff Saline]

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 18:58:40 -0000 "rick" writes:

> My wife & I each have lowered KLRs. I had to cut & shorten both > sidestands and have them rewelded. The first bike the welder > connected > his ground to the sidestand and welded everything just fine. The > second bike was grounded in a similar place and the spring for the > kickstand stretched during welding and stayed that way. I don't > know > the reason but I did have to replace the sidestand spring on the > second bike.

<><><><>><><><><><> <><><><>><><><><><> Rick, Since the side stand was shortened I'm wondering if on one a piece of tube/roundstock was installed to help with alignment and strength. If so could the added weight give the appearance of a stretched spring when in reality it was just more weight? I suppose the answer is no since you've already stated you replaced the spring. : ) I recently added 1 3/8" to a guys side stand as he had raising links and the bike was leaned over too far. I used tube and turned the ends to insert into the stock stand. The stand was cut as close to the spring as we could so the added weight of the tubing inserts wouldn't have as large affect as if installed near the foot. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Click for a credit repair consultation, raise your FICO score. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2LaH6iKS9LWhGcqI3razZjo032lGcAU6RyTk13NveiVCAk/

[D Critchley]

Obviously I did a lousy job of explaining. Tie string to hook at rear end of spring, Pull. I don't own brake pliers, but I think I saw them once, and they would be easier. DC Dooden wrote:

> > Thats cause you stepped in the paint bucket !!!! > > Honestly, paint must be short supply, cause I do not get it either. > > Wrap string and pull on it ? Might as wel use Brake Pliers. > > . > >

[Greg May]

   Hi Rick and Eddie, welding on your sidestand with it on the bike done right will cause no problems if you do it properly, I don't mean from a welding point of view but from a preperation point of view. First disconnect both of your battery cables from the battery, the ground off is all you really need but may as well top off the water in your battery, next clean the spot that your going to weld so your welding time iis limited to as short a time as possible. One of the universial properities of electricity is that it follows the shortest path to ground, thats what happened to one of Rick's springs, it passed enough current through it to cause enough heat to take the temper out of the spring, because it was the easiest path to ground. Since you will have to touch up the paint after you are done clean off a spot on the sidestand a couple inches from where you are going to weld and connect your ground there, that way the current flow from welding will  pass only through that small section of sidestand.    As far as whether you can do really do electrical damage when welding consider that the open circuit voltage of the welder is somewhere around 100 volts, certain death to a CDI box that is meant to operate at 14 volts. I've over the years replaced more then a few destroyed components because of someone connecting the welder ground clamp to a central location on a machine and then welding on said machine many feet from the ground clamp. I've also had the pleasure of replacing a 100 foot run of 600 volt 30 amp  supply wire, probably 9 wires and a ground because it was run it was in PVC conduit under a cement slab and the professional welder didn't bother cleaning where he connected his ground clamp so the easiest path for the welder current to ground was through the #10 ground in the PVC conduit to the supply panel ground.    In short prepare properly and you'll have no problems and if you're not sure or comfortable just take the stand off....have a great evening.....Greg    

--- On Wed, 6/4/08, rick wrote: From: rick Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Welding on Side Stand To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Received: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:58 PM My wife & I each have lowered KLRs. I had to cut & shorten both sidestands and have them rewelded. The first bike the welder connected his ground to the sidestand and welded everything just fine. The second bike was grounded in a similar place and the spring for the kickstand stretched during welding and stayed that way. I don't know the reason but I did have to replace the sidestand spring on the second bike. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, "eddiebmauri" wrote: > > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's side > stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or disconnect > the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to welding? > Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > stand?" > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway up > the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa") > __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eric Foster]

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