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eddiebmauri
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welding on side stand

Post by eddiebmauri » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:29 am

Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's side stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to avoid it sinking into soft dirt. So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or disconnect the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to welding? Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side stand?" If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution against frying the kill switch when welding? What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway up the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa")

Ross Lindberg
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welding on side stand

Post by Ross Lindberg » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:12 am

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddiebmauri" wrote:
> > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's
side
> stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or
disconnect
> the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to
welding?
> Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > stand?" > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway
up
> the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa") >
To be really safe you could remove the sidestand. You won't have to worry so much about the heat as you will frying the alternator. At the very least, unhook the battery as that will offer some protection to the alternator. If it were me welding on a bigfoot, I would pull the sidestand off so I could get it up on the bench and make an easier time of aligning the parts and welding them together. It's much easier and enjoyable to do jobs like that standing up, rather than on your knees on cement. Ross Lindberg Fertile, MN

Kevin Powers
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welding on side stand

Post by Kevin Powers » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:20 am

The electrical current is the potential issue. I've heard apocryphal tales of welders working on the buckets of front-end loaders and frying all the electronics in the loader; could be urban legends, but why take the chance with a part that is easily removed and worked on in an upright position? The trickiest part will be removal and replacement of the sidestand spring. Shove some coins between the coils to stretch the spring out. Kevin
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Ross Lindberg wrote: > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com , > "eddiebmauri" > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's > side > > stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or > disconnect > > the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to > welding? > > Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > > stand?" > > > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side > > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway > up > > the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa") > > > To be really safe you could remove the sidestand. You won't have to > worry so much about the heat as you will frying the alternator. At > the very least, unhook the battery as that will offer some protection > to the alternator. If it were me welding on a bigfoot, I would pull > the sidestand off so I could get it up on the bench and make an > easier time of aligning the parts and welding them together. It's > much easier and enjoyable to do jobs like that standing up, rather > than on your knees on cement. > > Ross Lindberg > Fertile, MN > > > -- Kevin Powers White Bear Lake, MN [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jefferson Johnson
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welding on side stand

Post by Jefferson Johnson » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:43 am

"Shove some coins between the coils to stretch the spring out." If this really works, this is one of the best tips I've gotten from this forum. Could save a lot of cussing and banged knuckles. Jeff
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Kevin Powers wrote: > The electrical current is the potential issue. I've heard apocryphal > tales > of welders working on the buckets of front-end loaders and frying all the > electronics in the loader; could be urban legends, but why take the chance > with a part that is easily removed and worked on in an upright position? > The trickiest part will be removal and replacement of the sidestand spring. > Shove some coins between the coils to stretch the spring out. > > Kevin > > On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Ross Lindberg > > wrote: > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "eddiebmauri" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's > > side > > > stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > > > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > > > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > > > > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or > > disconnect > > > the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to > > welding? > > > Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > > > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > > > stand?" > > > > > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > > > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > > > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > > > > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side > > > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > > > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway > > up > > > the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > > > > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa") > > > > > To be really safe you could remove the sidestand. You won't have to > > worry so much about the heat as you will frying the alternator. At > > the very least, unhook the battery as that will offer some protection > > to the alternator. If it were me welding on a bigfoot, I would pull > > the sidestand off so I could get it up on the bench and make an > > easier time of aligning the parts and welding them together. It's > > much easier and enjoyable to do jobs like that standing up, rather > > than on your knees on cement. > > > > Ross Lindberg > > Fertile, MN > > > > > > > > -- > Kevin Powers > White Bear Lake, MN > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

dooden
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welding on side stand

Post by dooden » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:45 am

Or do what I do, in my handlebar bag I keep a electrical box ocver, when I stop I unzip the bag grab the cover drop it and land the kickstand foot on it, even works in Michigan's sugar sand. Dooden A15 Green aPe - -- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "eddiebmauri" wrote:
> > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's
side
> stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or
disconnect
> the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to
welding?
> Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > stand?" > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the side > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway
up
> the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa") >

Michael Nelson
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welding on side stand

Post by Michael Nelson » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:30 am

On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 02:45:37PM -0000, Dooden wrote:
> Or do what I do, in my handlebar bag I keep a electrical box ocver, > when I stop I unzip the bag grab the cover drop it and land the > kickstand foot on it, even works in Michigan's sugar sand.
I use a Sink-No-Bob. No welding, it's always there and always works, you can't forget it and leave it behind, it's rubber so if it snags on something it'll let go. http://www.sinknobob.net/ Michael -- "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die." -- Mel Brooks San Francisco, CA

Jeff Saline
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welding on side stand

Post by Jeff Saline » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:31 am

On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 06:29:32 -0000 "eddiebmauri" writes:
> Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's > side > stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal > Farkle's > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or > disconnect > the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to > welding? > Is it safe to welded onto the side stand without removing it, and > without fear of frying (burning out) the safety switch in the side > stand?" > > If any of you have welded one of those bigfoot farkles onto the KLR > side stand, did you remove the side stand or take any precaution > against frying the kill switch when welding? > > What I am asking is if the heat from welding a bigfoot onto the > side > stand will send enough heat up the metal rod (of the side stand) to > burn out the safety kill switch? Also, would a heat sink halfway up > > the side stand when welding be a safe way to attach a bigfoot? > > Eddie (03' KLR 650 - "la poderosa")
<><><><><><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><><><><> Eddie, Pretty good questions from a non welder. : ) I suggest you just go to the hardware store and buy the largest washer they sell. It'll probably be either a 7/8" or 1" hole and about 2 3/4" outside diameter. Thickness will be about 1/8". I've probably welded 10 of these on sidestands for friends and have one to do on my nephews bike when he gets here tomorrow for a week or so of riding and wrenching. All you need is to clean the paint off the side of the current side stand foot. Sandpaper or a wire wheel will work fine. Then put the bike on the side stand with the washer in place under the side stand. Disconnect the battery negative lead. Then tach weld the washer in four places to the side stand. No need for worry about heat transfer up the side stand. I haven't done it but I'm guessing you could hold the side stand 4 inches up from the bottom and it wouldn't be warm. I've found it's pretty easy to just hold the ground clamp of the welder to the washer while welding as that prevents you from having to scratch through the paint of the side stand to get a good ground. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT ____________________________________________________________ Click now to choose from thousands of designs for your checks! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7Aky3OHW4RcnHxW0DkGUOTfaOTnBsNCGGudoEiPKoGOD6c/

Tengai Mark Van Horn
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welding on side stand

Post by Tengai Mark Van Horn » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:41 am

At 8:29 AM -0700 6/4/08, Michael Nelson wrote:
>I use a Sink-No-Bob. No welding, it's always there and always works, you >can't forget it and leave it behind, it's rubber so if it snags on something >it'll let go. > >http://www.sinknobob.net/
You paid REAL money for that? Please tell me that the $16.95 was in Guyana Dollars. Mark

Michael Nelson
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welding on side stand

Post by Michael Nelson » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:51 am

On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:41:15AM -0400, Tengai Mark Van Horn wrote:
> You paid REAL money for that? Please tell me that the $16.95 was in > Guyana Dollars.
If it's not worth it to you, don't buy it. No need to get insulting about it. Michael -- "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open manhole and die." -- Mel Brooks San Francisco, CA

D Critchley
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welding on side stand

Post by D Critchley » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:27 am

Stretching the coil spring was a nuisance for me until my brother told me that a piece of twine wrapped around the heavy glove that you have on your right hand makes it easy to mount and dismount the spring. It is the "stretch and release "programme. DC eddiebmauri wrote:
> > Hi all, I have a question about welding something onto the KLR's side > stand. I am considering buying one of those u-shaped metal Farkle's > that you weld onto the side stand to give it a bigger footprint to > avoid it sinking into soft dirt. > > So, my question is, "Do I have to remove the side stand, or disconnect > the kill switch that is connected to the side stand prior to welding? > Is it safe t > > . > >

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