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[Robert Waters]

Hello, I'm considering a trip to Canyonlands National Park in Utah. I would like to hear reports from any who have been there. One of the things that is disturbing is that you cannot use soap within 300 feet of a water body. Another is that you must carry your own potty and haul everything back, except when you are hiking you can dig a hole to &%@# in, but you must bring your paper back out with you. How does one on a motorcycle deal with the strict rules? http://www.utah.com/nationalparks/canyonlands.htm rw TotalHealth.bz Focus On Truth --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Horton Oliphant]

A number of us meet in Moab each year for a get together. Most things in the area can be done as a day trip returning to the camp ground in Moab or to a motel. If you really have to go when you're out bring along some plastic bags and paper and pick up after your self. Talk to Fred, he lives in Moab and is on the list. A lot of people, on the list, have been to Moab and I'm sure others will respond. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa Robert Waters wrote:

> Hello, > I'm considering a trip to Canyonlands National Park in Utah. I would like to hear reports from any who have been there. One of the things that is disturbing is that you cannot use soap within 300 feet of a water body. Another is that you must carry your own potty and haul everything back, except when you are hiking you can dig a hole to &%@# in, but you must bring your paper back out with you. How does one on a motorcycle deal with the strict rules? > http://www.utah.com/nationalparks/canyonlands.htm > > rw

[Horton Oliphant]

Here is a link to information on the get together: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/cmc.html A number of us meet in Moab each year for a get together. Most things in the area can be done as a day trip returning to the camp ground in Moab or to a motel. If you really have to go when you're out bring along some plastic bags and paper and pick up after your self. Talk to Fred, he lives in Moab and is on the list. A lot of people, on the list, have been to Moab and I'm sure others will respond. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa

[Fred Hink]

It is common thinking to think that our impact on the environment is probably not going to effect things too much but after the 6 million visitors to our desert areas feel the same way, then there is going to be damage done. Picking up after yourself is a good idea at any time. There used to be a saying going round that said, "leave no tracks, take only pictures". Camping in the back country of Canyonlands NP or most all National Parks requires a permit. Permits for camping in Canyonlands NP during the spring and fall are spoken for many months in advance. You need a street legal machine to ride in Canyonlands NP. You can ride the White Rim Trail in Canyonlands in a day and don't need a camping permit for that. There will be a gathering of dual sport enthusiasts in Moab during the Canyonlands Motor Classis May 29 - June 1. If you have any other questions about Moab, let me know. Fred http://www.arrowheadmotorsports.com http://s1.zetaboards.com/arrowhead

----- Original Message ----- From: Horton Oliphant To: klr Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Anyone visted Canyonlands National Park on a Bike? A number of us meet in Moab each year for a get together. Most things in the area can be done as a day trip returning to the camp ground in Moab or to a motel. If you really have to go when you're out bring along some plastic bags and paper and pick up after your self. Talk to Fred, he lives in Moab and is on the list. A lot of people, on the list, have been to Moab and I'm sure others will respond. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa Robert Waters wrote: > Hello, > I'm considering a trip to Canyonlands National Park in Utah. I would like to hear reports from any who have been there. One of the things that is disturbing is that you cannot use soap within 300 feet of a water body. Another is that you must carry your own potty and haul everything back, except when you are hiking you can dig a hole to &%@# in, but you must bring your paper back out with you. How does one on a motorcycle deal with the strict rules? > http://www.utah.com/nationalparks/canyonlands.htm > > rw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Tumu Rock]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Robert Waters wrote:

> > One of the things that is disturbing is that you cannot use soap

within 300 feet of a water body. Another is that you must carry your own potty and haul everything back, except when you are hiking you can dig a hole to &%@# in, but you must bring your paper back out with you. First of all, you're a biker. What is this "soap" that you speak of. Secondly, large rubber bands around the ankles of your pants makes sure you don't accidentally leave any droppings and you can clean up when you finish riding. ;') da Vermonster who once crapped in the middle of the intersection of Delancey and 1st Ave in NYC during a blizzard... no one was around anyway.

[Arden Kysely]

Robert, Depending on which part of the park you want to visit (Island in the Sky, Needles, Maze), you might fing that camping outside of the park on BLM land or in Glen Canyon National Recreation Area is less restrictive. Considering that much of the backcountry camping done in Canyonlands is by river runners along a few sandbars in the canyons, and that much of the rest of the country is solid rock, you can see that proper poop procedure and soap restrictions could be necessary. No one wants to swim in someone else's bubbles, everything buried in a sand bar floats away in the next high water, and everything left on a rock stays right there. Note that several (maybe all) of the White Rim campsites have toilets, so you won't have a problem there...except that most of the campsites are probably reserved by now. If you're set on backcountry camping in the park, here's one solution: http://www.rei.com/product/662978 __Arden --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Robert Waters wrote:

> > Hello, > I'm considering a trip to Canyonlands National Park in Utah. I

would like to hear reports from any who have been there. One of the things that is disturbing is that you cannot use soap within 300 feet of a water body. Another is that you must carry your own potty and haul everything back, except when you are hiking you can dig a hole to &%@# in, but you must bring your paper back out with you. How does one on a motorcycle deal with the strict rules?

> http://www.utah.com/nationalparks/canyonlands.htm > > rw > > > > > > TotalHealth.bz > Focus On Truth > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo!

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[Stephen Grisanti]

> If you're set on backcountry camping in the park, > here's one solution: > http://www.rei.com/product/662978

These are designed to be used with a folding porta-potty, which when folded is about the size of an attache case. We bought one for use with our VW camper, but you would have to be very athletic/limber/creative (and have good aim) to use the bags without the accompanying support apparatus for which they were designed. Still, they're an option. Stephen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

[Gary LaRue]

As much camping as I have done, I've never had to poop scoop after myself. That said, how's this for an idea: Bring a small stack of newspaper and a few gallon sized Ziplock (or equivilent) freezer bags. Use freezer bags because they are thicker. Water the plants naturally (well away from surface water, as required) then make your deposit on top of a few sheets of newspaper. Fold & wrap securely and slide into a Ziplock, maybe even two just to be sure. What say ye, oh Ones Of Vast Experience? Lash [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Michael Nelson]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 07:15:37PM -0800, Gary LaRue wrote:

> make your deposit on top of a few sheets of newspaper. Fold & wrap > securely and slide into a Ziplock, maybe even two just to be sure.

Judging by most of the newspapers I've read, I can't imagine a better use for them. Michael -- "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain San Francisco, CA

[albatrossklr]

too true.... albatross

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Michael Nelson wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 07:15:37PM -0800, Gary LaRue wrote: > > > make your deposit on top of a few sheets of newspaper. Fold & wrap > > securely and slide into a Ziplock, maybe even two just to be sure. > > Judging by most of the newspapers I've read, I can't imagine a better use > for them. > > Michael > > -- > "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it > is the parts that I do understand." -- Mark Twain > > San Francisco, CA >