environmental concerns...end of thread

[Mark Driscoll]

I would like to put a throttle lock on my 2000 KLR. However, I really don't want to drill the throttle housing for the screw needed to hold the throttle lock. Also, I don't want to use the bungle cord lock. Any suggestions? Is there a throttle lock for the KLR that installs without modifications? Thanks Mark

[David Critchley]

I got a Universal Vista from Fred (Arrowhead) years ago for my A13 and it did not require any holes, but as I recall something had to slide sideways about 1/8 inch. It worked well from 2001 to this year. DC Mark Driscoll wrote:

> I would like to put a throttle lock on my 2000 KLR. However, I really > don't want to drill the throttle housing for the screw needed to hold > the throttle lock. Also, I don't want to use the bungle cord lock. Any > suggestions? Is there a throttle lock for the KLR that installs > > __._,_ > >

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[Jeff Saline]

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:51:37 -0000 "Mark Driscoll" writes:

> I would like to put a throttle lock on my 2000 KLR. However, I really > > don't want to drill the throttle housing for the screw needed to > hold > the throttle lock. Also, I don't want to use the bungle cord lock. > Any > suggestions? Is there a throttle lock for the KLR that installs > without modifications? > > Thanks > > Mark

<><><><><><> <><><><><><> Mark, If you aren't using bark busters or something else in your bar ends I think there is a throttle lock that might work. Lots of BMW riders use them and I think they're called throttlemeisters or something similar. Just checked the most recent issue of the BMWMOA rag and found www.throttlemeister.com as the source. They look like bar end weights and the idea is the right side has a threaded nut like portion. When you want to lock the throttle you turn the end so it tightens against the end of the throttle tube/grip and friction locks the setting. Turn the end the other way to release the friction and return to normal operation. As I recall these things cost close to or maybe more than $100. I think you could buy an extra throttle housing cover and a Vista Cruise throttle lock for way less than that. And if you are using bark busters I don't think the stock set up would work. For a couple of hundred bucks I bet a guy could get someone to machine an end that would work in a similar fashion and mount a bark buster. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[traderpro2003]

Fast and painless is a throttle rocker. I attaches with velcro and works rather well. Ok, it's not the same as a lock, but it's quick to remove/install. I rode San Diego to Cabo with it and wouldn't do it again without it. I really liked it. I also epoxied-in bird shot into the handlebars which took out a lot of vibes. Cheers - Brian --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Driscoll" wrote:

> > I would like to put a throttle lock on my 2000 KLR. However, I really > don't want to drill the throttle housing for the screw needed to hold > the throttle lock. Also, I don't want to use the bungle cord lock.

Any

> suggestions? Is there a throttle lock for the KLR that installs > without modifications? > > Thanks > > Mark >

[Jeff Saline]

On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:01:06 -0000 "traderpro2003" writes:

> Fast and painless is a throttle rocker. I attaches with velcro and > works rather well. Ok, it's not the same as a lock, but it's quick > to > remove/install. I rode San Diego to Cabo with it and wouldn't do it > > again without it. I really liked it. I also epoxied-in bird shot > into > the handlebars which took out a lot of vibes. Cheers - Brian

<><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><> Brian, I had a pretty good experience with a throttle rocker on a BMW I picked up in California and was riding to Wisconsin and then Oklahoma. My hand was so numb after three days I could barely use it. I stopped in Rapid City to see a buddy and got a throttle rocker at the Honda shop. I think that was the only way I could continue the ride. My hand was numb for a week after I got to Wisconsin and while I was fishing in Canada. The ride after that to Oklahoma was quite a bit better. Maybe 16 months later in Oklahoma I met a Louisiana Marshal who was also the Louisiana Air Marshal for the Airheads Beemer Club. We got to talking about the throttle rocker and he told me he did use one once but won't ever again. He was in an accident and when he passed the bars the throttle rocker just about opened his gut. He was wearing Aerostich riding gear and he said he still had a mark on his belly. That was one of the earlier models that clipped on the throttle grip before they started using Velcro. I took that under consideration and decided I didn't really need the throttle rocker all that much. I do still have one of the first ones that used a bolt to hold it to the grip. That was bought in 1979 for a Kawasaki KZ400. I rode that bike from Fort Meade, Maryland to Patrick AFB, Florida non stop in 1980. I'm sure I used the throttle rocker then. Just another data point for consideration. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[traderpro2003]

Wow, that's serious. Now I'm not sure in a crash I'd be so concerned about a throttle rocker, but it's an interesting dp. I doubt this velco ditty would throttle ya especially riding with full frontal body armor including kidney/stomach protector, chest protector, and shoulder + collar guards. Yeah, a couple of times I took it off in Baja to keep it from getting stolen and boy could I tell it was missing when I'd start riding. In fact, I'd leave it on trail riding when I used to take it off fearing interference. So really you never have to remove it even on the trails, but I do if I'm not on a trip or otherwise riding LD. I don't think I'd consider a throttle locker. I've ridden over 700 miles in a day and the TR worked fine for me. Beyond this, I'll stop and bivouvac somewhere.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 01:01:06 -0000 "traderpro2003" > writes: > > Fast and painless is a throttle rocker. I attaches with velcro and > > works rather well. Ok, it's not the same as a lock, but it's quick > > to > > remove/install. I rode San Diego to Cabo with it and wouldn't do it > > > > again without it. I really liked it. I also epoxied-in bird shot > > into > > the handlebars which took out a lot of vibes. Cheers - Brian > <><><><><><><><> > <><><><><><><><> > > Brian, > > I had a pretty good experience with a throttle rocker on a BMW I picked > up in California and was riding to Wisconsin and then Oklahoma. My hand > was so numb after three days I could barely use it. I stopped in Rapid > City to see a buddy and got a throttle rocker at the Honda shop. I think > that was the only way I could continue the ride. My hand was numb for a > week after I got to Wisconsin and while I was fishing in Canada. The > ride after that to Oklahoma was quite a bit better. > > Maybe 16 months later in Oklahoma I met a Louisiana Marshal who was also > the Louisiana Air Marshal for the Airheads Beemer Club. We got to > talking about the throttle rocker and he told me he did use one once but > won't ever again. He was in an accident and when he passed the bars the > throttle rocker just about opened his gut. He was wearing Aerostich > riding gear and he said he still had a mark on his belly. That was one > of the earlier models that clipped on the throttle grip before they > started using Velcro. > > I took that under consideration and decided I didn't really need the > throttle rocker all that much. I do still have one of the first ones > that used a bolt to hold it to the grip. That was bought in 1979 for a > Kawasaki KZ400. I rode that bike from Fort Meade, Maryland to Patrick > AFB, Florida non stop in 1980. I'm sure I used the throttle rocker then. > > Just another data point for consideration. > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT >

[traderpro2003]

this myth is busted...end of discussion. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Norloff" wrote:

> > It's been a badly-kept secret for many years that motorcycles don't

get the kind of mileage they could. My sidecar rig (25-30mpg) did only a little better than my V-6 Camry Wagon (19-24mpg). My ST1100 (40-50mpg) does only a little better than my daughter's 140,000 mile Toyota (30-35mpg). Only our DualSport motorcycles (50-60mpg) regularly get better mileage than my wife's Prius (45mpg year-round average). Sure, bikes have more wind resistance, but when there's more attention about whether or not a production bike can go 200mph, it's clear where the focus is on motorcycle 'performance'.

> > Motorcycles are also exempt from most (or all?) US pollution

regulations -- this due to the relatively small size of the motorcycle population and the economic impact it would have.

> > Of course, just getting good mileage doesn't mean low emissions,

though it helps. A 2-stroke can get good mileage, but the overall emissions aren't great.

> > BMW put catalytic converters on their bikes some years ago. When

that was proposed as a US requirement, a bunch of the 'loud pipes' crowd went apoplectic about the extreme dangers of a hot catalytic converter on a bike. When it was pointed out that BMW had done this for years with none of their feared problems, their arguments quieted.

> > I welcome better performance (fuel efficiency) and pollution from

motorcycles. It's sad that manufacturers want people to believe how inept their design teams are. There will be teething problems, for sure, but how else are we to advance?

> > I like to breathe, > Chris > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "notanymoore" > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:01:15 -0000 > > >I'm not in a position to argue the figures in that report; but if > >you're a glutton for punishment, the original EPA document is here: > >http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/2004/January/Day-15/a006.htm > > > >I'd heard about these changes for awhile, but hadn't really paid > >attention to them. I've think the worst figures are for air-

cooled,

> >carburated, large displacement motorcycles (i.e. Harley Davidson). > >Having ridden behind them lots of times, I can believe it. > > > >My understanding is the direction is towards water-cooled, fuel > >injected engines to clean up most of the emissions. The HD V-Rod

is

> >a step in that direction. It's not clear they'll be requiring

cataylic

> >converters except possibly in California. > > > >60 MPG on a Harley? Must be a Sportster 883. Every HD rider I've > >ever talked to typically speaks in terms of 30-40 MPG, on a 3-4

gallon

> >gas tank. And with what they belch out, I can believe they're the > >worst offendors. KLR 650 emissions seem pretty moderate in > >comparison. And much better with 50-60 mpg on a 6 gallon gas tank. > > > >However, unlike most KLRista's in this forum, I believe the KLR

would

> >greatly benefit from fuel injection. Improves performance,

mileage,

> >emsissions and gets rid of the high-altitude asthma. THe only

cogent

> >argument against it might be from world wide travelers who ride

theu

> >countries with varying quality of gas which can muckup an FI

engine.

> > > >Bob > >Chicago - '06 (Red) > > > >--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, john henely wrote: > >> > >> Tilster, > >> > >> You are right, all the necessary information is on the CARB web > >site, broken down by vehicles, engines and just about every type of > >testing that can be done in 10+ year studies. Please go to CARB@, > >after you dig through the pertinant information on different

vehicles,

> >use a macro, and make a spreadsheet on comparisons of the different > >values you consider important. Each person has ideas about what is > >Important. > >> I certainly saw nothing in the UMBRA article that was in any way > >"logical", or could convey in a proper format any information that > >would guide an informed person. > >> Motorcycles are in the same basic debate as are guns and many

other

> >issues, and fit into the category of (it is not the motorcycle,

gun,

> >whatever that is dangerous, polluting, etc.), but it is the people

who

> >do or don't ride responsibly, do or don't maintain their equipment

and

> >keep up with the latest information. > >> We are fortunate as motorcycle owners to have a variety of

options,

> >including now and in the future of utilizing all types of

propulsion,

> >polluting or not,being safe or not, and being responsible

citizens. I

> >have, just as test platforms, built 2 different types of electrical > >and other low polluting bikes and making them practical. > >> However, it disgusts a great many people that anyone would

listen to

> >the garbage spouted in the name of environtalism by someone who has > >not done their homework and learned the facts, they are very easy

to

> >check. > >> > >> Again, please keep riding and ignore the propaganda. Is UMBRA's

real

> >name Joe McCarthy? > >> > >> JRH > >> > >> > >> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:19:31 -0800From: tilster187@: RE: > >[DSN_KLR650] environmental concernsTo: johnhenely@ for the > >response. Care to share your 'facts'? The umbra piece seems

logical.

> >Saying its wrong without evidence means little; provide better > >information, if you choose. john henely wrote: > >> > >> > >> Read the answer by "Umbra"? on Grist. This is another example of > >people spouting off and making up so called "facts". I have been > >involved with CARB for over 25 years, and her data is not only

wrong,

> >but fully falsified. Keep Riding! JRH > >> > >> > >> To: DSN_KLR650@: tilster187@: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:19:55 > >+0000Subject: [DSN_KLR650] environmental concerns > >> > >> > >> Hello: Here is an article that I found regarding the 'green'

aspect

> >ofour two wheels, one of the main reasons I have my Jr. Well, if

this

> >istrue, then I am shot. For anyone else that has theirs for > >'treehugger'reasons, this is > >depressing.http://www.grist.org/advice/ask/2003/05/28/umbra-

motorcycles/index.htmlGuess

> >I'll be gettig rid of mine sometime, in case anyone is interested. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo

Mobile.

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