[dsn_klr650] loud bikes make noise nklr

[Don S]

I think it's time that all of the level headed sensible participants of this forum embrace the idea that personalities who have overwhelming uncontrollable desires to be noticed, will do anything for recognition. They tend to buy expensive, gaudy, obnoxious machines. Then they modify them to be more obnoxious because it wasn't getting them the attention that they had spent so much money trying to achieve. It's an infantile mindset that I feel will never be self discovered by the culpable individuals. The consideration and concerns of others do not enter their narrow and limited view of understanding. There's not much bandwidth left over when so much attention is focused toward ones self. It's what I call the shit-house peacock syndrome. If there's more than one peacock in the shit house, the competition is on. The more peacocks, involved, the louder and more obnoxious the shit-house becomes and as a result, the desperation of each peacock is escalated. It won't stop until the peacocks understand what they're doing. That will never happen. They're simply not inclined to respect the needs of others. It's all about them and their childish need for attention. Dooden wrote: Have you considered areas that allow you to ride your bike, lets say trails that are shared with perhaps horses or close to campgrounds, and now loud bikes with no USDA spark arrestors are riding around basically pissing off other folks to have paid to camp in a relative quiet place or paid to camp where they can take horses and ride the forest roads/trails only to have bikes going by scaring the horse which they are sitting upon endangering them and the horse ? "as the idiots in my area." you said that not me, I can not understand why somebody would take a lets say HD that comes with a nice sounding exhaust IMO and put something that sounds like straight pipes on it. Same goes for the pick up trucks modified to the point its only use to driving it on the street. Nice sounding exhaust is one thing, but just loud for the sake of being loud to me is stupid. I wish my KLR had a sweet sounding exhaust with more tone and somewhat louder is ok, but megaphone window rattling loud is just noise to me. I think fines and violations for such noise are acceptable, heck I have lived places where if a LEO can hear music coming from your vehicle you are pulled over and given a ticket, who wants to hear your trunk lid rattle and shake. Same should go for vehicle exhaust noise IMHO. However I have heard a few KLR's with aftermarket pipes that had nice tone and were somewhat loud, but not ear piecing loud that maybe if my stock pipe was toast I would'nt mind installing as a replacement providing it had a approved spark arrestor. Just my thoughts, from a rural area with many places I can ride without pavement under my tires and unless I am seen, I can almost bet I am not heard either. I bought a KLR cause I planned on riding in all types of places, pavement, street, trails, swamps, forest roads, logging roads. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kerry Stottlemyer" wrote:

> > I'll apologize now if this seem like I have a bad attitude. > I just don't understand the big deal in having a quiet bike. > At least not in my area where the HD's and Ricky Racers zip up and > down my street all hours of the day and night with loud ass exhaust > notes. Now granted I have yet to hear a KLR with an aftermarket > exhaust but I'd be willing to bet that they are no where near as loud > as the idiots in my area. > I can understand if you live in a quiet area outside of town, rural > type setting. but in the suburbs I'm going to crank it up. > I didn't buy a bike to ride it on egg shells. > Kerry > > > Snip > I switched > > back to stock on the exhaust as the Big Gun pisses people off and > has > > no spark arrestor plus you have to repack. > Criswell > End snip >

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[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote:

> > I think it's time that all of the level headed sensible

participants of this forum embrace the idea that personalities who have overwhelming uncontrollable desires to be noticed, will do anything for recognition. They tend to buy expensive, gaudy, obnoxious machines. Then they modify them to be more obnoxious because it wasn't getting them the attention that they had spent so much money trying to achieve. It's an infantile mindset that I feel will never be self discovered by the culpable individuals. The consideration and concerns of others do not enter their narrow and limited view of understanding. There's not much bandwidth left over when so much attention is focused toward ones self.

> > It's what I call the shit-house peacock syndrome. If there's

more than one peacock in the shit house, the competition is on. The more peacocks, involved, the louder and more obnoxious the shit-house becomes and as a result, the desperation of each peacock is escalated. It won't stop until the peacocks understand what they're doing. That will never happen. They're simply not inclined to respect the needs of others. It's all about them and their childish need for attention. Dear Dr. Don, Your post brings a couple of clinical names to this kind of behaviour of which you speak: 1)'narcissism' and 2)'egoism'. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/egoism http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/narcissism YWMV (your words may vary) revmaaatin. who is a fading peacock...but can easily see Dons' peacock through other 50cent words PS Do you think we might have been trolled? (on the issue of noise)

[Stephen Grisanti]

>PS Do you think we might have been trolled? (on the >issue of noise)

Possibly, but that does not mean the discussion is not valid anyway. I know that when my SuperTrapp pipe was stolen off my bike I was happy to have the stocker to reinstall, and could not believe how quiet the bike was with the sticker. Sometimes we just need to be reminded how big the rest of the world is. Lots of other folks, and motorcyclists better realize they're outnumbered. You know it intuitively when you ride in traffic, and you'd better believe it'll happen at the polls. Stephen --- revmaaatin wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S > wrote: > > > > I think it's time that all of the level headed > sensible > participants of this forum embrace the idea that > personalities who > have overwhelming uncontrollable desires to be > noticed, will do > anything for recognition. They tend to buy > expensive, gaudy, > obnoxious machines. Then they modify them to be more > obnoxious > because it wasn't getting them the attention that > they had spent so > much money trying to achieve. It's an infantile > mindset that I feel > will never be self discovered by the culpable > individuals. The > consideration and concerns of others do not enter > their narrow and > limited view of understanding. There's not much > bandwidth left over > when so much attention is focused toward ones self. > > > > > It's what I call the shit-house peacock > syndrome. If there's > more than one peacock in the shit house, the > competition is on. The > more peacocks, involved, the louder and more > obnoxious the shit-house > becomes and as a result, the desperation of each > peacock is > escalated. It won't stop until the peacocks > understand what they're > doing. That will never happen. They're simply not > inclined to > respect the needs of others. It's all about them and > their childish > need for attention. > > Dear Dr. Don, > Your post brings a couple of clinical names to this > kind of behaviour > of which you speak: 1)'narcissism' and 2)'egoism'. > > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/egoism > http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/narcissism > > YWMV (your words may vary) > > revmaaatin. who is a fading peacock...but can easily > see Dons' > peacock through other 50cent words > > PS Do you think we might have been trolled? (on the > issue of noise) > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

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[Don S]

Thanks for the critique rev. I've used one of your behavioural terms in previous rants. Never used narcissism though. I'll keep that one in storage for future compositions. Trolled or otherwise, I believe that the irresponsible behaviour of the noise polluters for self gratification at the expense of others will have a negative impact on motorcycling in the long run. The imbeciles who generate needless noise are a liability to the rest of us who respect the concerns of others. They kind of remind me of a small child pounding a big aluminum pot with a long handled steel spoon. You know the noise won't stop until either the spoon or the pot is taken away. If they won't control themselves, you can rest assured that sooner or later government will. I'm all for noise abatement. Lets just hope enforcement doesn't penalize all motorcycles in the process. revmaaatin wrote:

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > I think it's time that all of the level headed sensible participants of this forum embrace the idea that personalities who have overwhelming uncontrollable desires to be noticed, will do anything for recognition. They tend to buy expensive, gaudy, obnoxious machines. Then they modify them to be more obnoxious because it wasn't getting them the attention that they had spent so much money trying to achieve. It's an infantile mindset that I feel will never be self discovered by the culpable individuals. The consideration and concerns of others do not enter their narrow and limited view of understanding. There's not much bandwidth left over when so much attention is focused toward ones self. > > It's what I call the shit-house peacock syndrome. If there's more than one peacock in the shit house, the competition is on. The more peacocks, involved, the louder and more obnoxious the shit-house becomes and as a result, the desperation of each peacock is escalated. It won't stop until the peacocks understand what they're doing. That will never happen. They're simply not inclined to respect the needs of others. It's all about them and their childish need for attention. Dear Dr. Don, Your post brings a couple of clinical names to this kind of behaviour of which you speak: 1)'narcissism' and 2)'egoism'. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/egoism http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/narcissism YWMV (your words may vary) revmaaatin. who is a fading peacock...but can easily see Dons' peacock through other 50cent words PS Do you think we might have been trolled? (on the issue of noise) --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Don S" To: "revmaaatin" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: performance upgrades - Just to make noise > Thanks for the critique rev. > > I've used one of your behavioural terms in previous rants. Never used > narcissism though. I'll keep that one in storage for future compositions. > > Trolled or otherwise, I believe that the irresponsible behaviour of the > noise polluters for self gratification at the expense of others will have > a negative impact on motorcycling in the long run. The imbeciles who > generate needless noise are a liability to the rest of us who respect the > concerns of others. They kind of remind me of a small child pounding a > big aluminum pot with a long handled steel spoon. You know the noise > won't stop until either the spoon or the pot is taken away. If they won't > control themselves, you can rest assured that sooner or later government > will. I'm all for noise abatement. Lets just hope enforcement doesn't > penalize all motorcycles in the process. > If you were all for noise abatement, you would stop posting your drivel. Your "shithouse peacockiness" comes across louder than any pipe I've ever heard. For what it's worth, I don't like loud pipes, but I also don't enjoy riding bikes that sound like sewing machines. There is a middle-ground, as in most issues, and that middle-ground is what I shoot for on my bikes. ed A17

[Kerry Stottlemyer]

> PS Do you think we might have been trolled? (on the issue of noise)

No I think that some of you misunderstood the original post. An aftermarket pipe that is LEGAL to own and mount on your bike is not going to be obnoxiously loud unless you are using a tunable pipe and you purposely made it louder by tuning it wrong. This is not my intent. If that's what I wanted I WOULD run drag pipes on the bike and burn my valves. Something I don't want to do. Let me explain it a little better. I've read a few posts here that people didn't like the noise level of aftermarket pipes. Now after reading on a few other sights and this one the average agreement was that if the pipe was tuned right (if it's a tunable unit) it was only slightly louder then stock. If it's only slightly louder then stock how can it be to loud? Once again I'll say I don't want an ear splitting imitating Harley exhaust tone. I just want the bike to breath a bit better and if it just so happens to make the bike a bit louder ( and I do mean just a bit louder) again OH WELL!!! it's not like I'm running drag pipes. Some here seem to think I want to run this thing wide open and uncorked. Uhh no not even in the least. My question was why are we so concerned with the sound level of our bikes if it's only a bit louder then stock? Yes I agree there is no reason to have a bike that is creating noise above 95 or more dB. There is just no gain if the exhaust system is designed right. But again I feel you misunderstood how loud loud is. Maybe I'll get the dB meter from work and do some testing. Kerry

[John Biccum]

Loud bikes lose rights. Do you want to be able to ride in the National Forests? Do you want to be able to go on a group ride thru your town? If you "couldn't care less how loud my bike is" then you seem also to be saying that you couldn't care less what your voting neighbors think about loud motorcycles. So you should not be surprised if those neighbors vote to lock up even more riding areas. In the last 5 years I have seen a lot of the Snoqualmie National Forest near my home ruled off limits to motorcycles. The reason cited for the ban? Too many complaints about loud noise from motorcycles. You attitude makes you a Pain In the Ears, not a PITA. From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kerry Stottlemyer Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 09:49 To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: LOUD Bikes Make Noise NKLR Again not to be a PITA but I didn't buy this bike to be kind to my neighbors, If I wanted a quiet bike I would have bought a Vespa. I'm a HOT ROD guy what can I say. But please don't get me wrong the idoits I'm refering to are riding/ driving illegal bikes and cars. You can hear the differance when they drive by and you get a guy that cranks open the throttle on a straight piped bike and well you get 200+dB but if the same guy came rolling through and was a bit more reserved with the throttle it would be a lot less noise. It just seems to me that a few people here on this board are more concerned with how loud their bike is then anything else. the reason I'm adding a supertrap to the bike is to get rid of the lawn mower sound coming from the tail pipe. If it makes it louder oh well,I won't be putting the stock pipe back on. Personaly I like the sound of a of a throaty engine and couldn't care less how loud my bike is. Kerry --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogro ups.com, a14@... wrote:

> > > I'll apologize now if this seem like I have a bad attitude. > > I just don't understand the big deal in having a quiet bike. > > At least not in my area where the HD's and Ricky Racers zip up

and

> > down my street all hours of the day and night with loud ass

exhaust

> > notes. Now granted I have yet to hear a KLR with an aftermarket > > exhaust but I'd be willing to bet that they are no where near as

loud

> > as the idiots in my area. > > I can understand if you live in a quiet area outside of town,

rural

> > type setting. but in the suburbs I'm going to crank it up. > > I didn't buy a bike to ride it on egg shells. > > Kerry > > > > > > Are you trying to say you want to be a loud idiot or

differentiating

> yourself by saying they are the loud idiots and you are a not as

loud

> idiot? > > One more question. If all the HD's and Ricky Racers in your area

decide

> to kill themselves would you kill yourself too? > > Maybe... just maybe if you try to not add to the problem instead of > being part of the problem your neighbors would not hate you. > > You can have plenty of fun on a bike without having to be

obnoxious.

> > Walt (a mostly quite idiot not hated by his neighbors) >

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[Ed Chait]

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Stottlemyer" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: performance upgrades - Just to make noise > PS Do you think we might have been trolled? (on the issue of noise) No I think that some of you misunderstood the original post. An aftermarket pipe that is LEGAL to own and mount on your bike is not going to be obnoxiously loud unless you are using a tunable pipe and you purposely made it louder by tuning it wrong. This is not my intent. If that's what I wanted I WOULD run drag pipes on the bike and burn my valves. Something I don't want to do. Let me explain it a little better. I've read a few posts here that people didn't like the noise level of aftermarket pipes. Now after reading on a few other sights and this one the average agreement was that if the pipe was tuned right (if it's a tunable unit) it was only slightly louder then stock. If it's only slightly louder then stock how can it be to loud? Once again I'll say I don't want an ear splitting imitating Harley exhaust tone. I just want the bike to breath a bit better and if it just so happens to make the bike a bit louder ( and I do mean just a bit louder) again OH WELL!!! it's not like I'm running drag pipes. Some here seem to think I want to run this thing wide open and uncorked. Uhh no not even in the least. My question was why are we so concerned with the sound level of our bikes if it's only a bit louder then stock? Yes I agree there is no reason to have a bike that is creating noise above 95 or more dB. There is just no gain if the exhaust system is designed right. But again I feel you misunderstood how loud loud is. Maybe I'll get the dB meter from work and do some testing. Kerry ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Don't bother Kerry. There are some on this list who believe in "stock or nothing" and you're not going to convince them otherwise. As with most extremists, they are not interested in reason or that there is a middle-ground in this argument. They are only interested in continuing to bray their party line. ed A17

[Don S]

Hey Ed: You seem to take offense and lash out against anything that you are not in agreement with. There's no need to berate perfectly reasonable logic to "drivel" because it challenges your desire to make quiet machines unnecessarily noisy. With regard to your comments, please view my replies below: If you were all for noise abatement, you would stop posting your drivel. Since when does reading and writing produce noise? Your "shithouse peacockiness" comes across louder than any pipe I've ever heard. Now that you're getting the message, show some consideration for others and get with the program. For what it's worth, I don't like loud pipes, but I also don't enjoy riding bikes that sound like sewing machines. Why would you let the sound of a machine ruin your riding experience? What does noise have to do with a good ride? Unless your idea of a good ride is to draw attention to yourself? There is a middle-ground, as in most issues, and that middle-ground is what I shoot for on my bikes. Middle noise - loud noise - according to whom? Noise is Noise. Ed Chait wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Don S" To: "revmaaatin" ; DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: performance upgrades - Just to make noise > Thanks for the critique rev. > > I've used one of your behavioural terms in previous rants. Never used > narcissism though. I'll keep that one in storage for future compositions. > > Trolled or otherwise, I believe that the irresponsible behaviour of the > noise polluters for self gratification at the expense of others will have > a negative impact on motorcycling in the long run. The imbeciles who > generate needless noise are a liability to the rest of us who respect the > concerns of others. They kind of remind me of a small child pounding a > big aluminum pot with a long handled steel spoon. You know the noise > won't stop until either the spoon or the pot is taken away. If they won't > control themselves, you can rest assured that sooner or later government > will. I'm all for noise abatement. Lets just hope enforcement doesn't > penalize all motorcycles in the process. > If you were all for noise abatement, you would stop posting your drivel. Your "shithouse peacockiness" comes across louder than any pipe I've ever heard. For what it's worth, I don't like loud pipes, but I also don't enjoy riding bikes that sound like sewing machines. There is a middle-ground, as in most issues, and that middle-ground is what I shoot for on my bikes. ed A17 --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[michaeljtruel]

> OK guys. Let us move on. I have not seen the Rider article but have

had several calls from people who have. I think the KLR was the winner and we're dying to see the 2008 one with luggage! > (comparison of Honda,Suzuki and Kaw)

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