concensus for on-road tires...

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I think what you thought of as bashing educated folk as being mechanically inept was just an observation as to why the HOA in an affluent community might not be too kind regarding motorcycles. It was a description to the original poster as to why the HOA would be inclined to limit motorcycle parking. I think it is reasonable to assume that most people in an affluent community are highly educated. I also think it is likely that higher educated people, likely have higher incomes. And I think it is likely that these type of people are less likely to get dirty/do manual labor jobs, like repairing bikes and cars, and are less likely to put up with wind/cold/rain and other uncomfortable items that accompany motorcycle riding. They are more likely to want a 4 star motel. Notice I did not say "all" of these people. You chose to think of it as bashing, and calling all educated people mechanically inept. That was not the case. It is known as learning about your target audience to determine what their motivations are. That way a peaceful solution to the HOA problem can be found, without a lot of new regulations. Would you sell skateboards in a over 65 retirement community?? Oops, I'm bashing older people. Clearly there may be a 70 year old that can ride better than I. Does that mean we cannot make rough generalizations? Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Samuel Hudson]

No problem, framed ass is funny to me. As are the two online vids I've seen of guys with road rash on their butts. Now that I think about it, long underwear with a buttflap are funny as well. I guess chaps over some draggn jeans would work. To me it just seems like there are better solutions gear wise. I use a pair of joe rocket alter ego pants. --sam hudson, san antonio tx.

[jokerloco9@aol.com]

I'm kind of curious why there is so much resentment about "assless chaps" here. Have you tried them? Now I think it is kind of weird if you do not have pants under them, perhaps a little too "West Hollywood". But if put over jeans, you have the best of both worlds. The road racers clearly wear full leathers. Have you ever worn them? Extremely uncomfortable and hot. If you just have the chaps, your legs are warm, and you get some protection. And the seat being removed makes them far more comfortable to sit down in, as well as giving ventilation. And yes, the Harley boys wear them because it is part of the accepted attire. Sometimes we all do things to be part of the group, wether it is practical or not. Has anybody ever examined how practical the sportbike riding position is? Yes, it looks cool, and is good for racing, but what is the point of being bent over a bike riding on the street? I have a 2001 GSXR1000 with only 3000 miles on it because it looks cool but is a pain in the neck for me to ride. I gave up and bought a Harley to be comfortable. I guess I don't understand your problem with the chaps?? Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[dooden]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote:

> > I'm kind of curious why there is so much resentment about "assless

chaps"

> here. Have you tried them?

Relax a little.. No I have not tried them, bet that would look funny on a KLR however. But could see how they could cut the cold wind off the knees and lower legs. Reckon just saying "Assless Chaps" makes me think of the Village People or something Dance with who you brought, or ride what you got, no matter to me. Dooden A15 Green Ape

[Ronald Criswell]

Well the assless chaps are cheap and keep the cold wind off your legs and almost look like real trick leather gear. Plus make it easy to go to the john. just don't fall on your ass. criswell

On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Samuel Hudson wrote: > No problem, framed ass is funny to me. As are the two online vids I've > seen of guys with road rash on their butts. Now that I think about it, > long underwear with a buttflap are funny as well. > > I guess chaps over some draggn jeans would work. To me it just seems > like there are better solutions gear wise. I use a pair of joe rocket > alter ego pants. > --sam hudson, san antonio tx. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Denis Dimick]

I thinks it's a style thing, I'd rather look like Mad Max then the Village People. http://www.motoworldracing.com/thor-07-impact-rig-se.html Ducks and runs, Denis

On 1/12/07, Ronald Criswell wrote: > > Well the assless chaps are cheap and keep the cold wind off your legs > and almost look like real trick leather gear. Plus make it easy to go > to the john. just don't fall on your ass. > > criswell > On Jan 12, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Samuel Hudson wrote: > > > No problem, framed ass is funny to me. As are the two online vids I've > > seen of guys with road rash on their butts. Now that I think about it, > > long underwear with a buttflap are funny as well. > > > > I guess chaps over some draggn jeans would work. To me it just seems > > like there are better solutions gear wise. I use a pair of joe rocket > > alter ego pants. > > --sam hudson, san antonio tx. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[D Critchley]

The reason that I have worn them for years is that If worn over my uniform pants on the way to work, the sweat build-up that I would expect from leather pants didn't happen. The other reason is that when I got back into the biking game, I couldn't afford leather pants. My suspicions about the heat in leather pants was confirmed by one of my more stylish associates a couple of months after I got the assless jobs. Contrary to popular opinion, they do not help you pick up chicks, unless your definition of chicks is different to most. Stay cool. DC Dooden wrote:

>--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, jokerloco9@... wrote: > > >>I'm kind of curious why there is so much resentment about "assless >> >> >chaps" > > >>here. Have you tried them? >> >> > >Relax a little.. > >No I have not tried them, bet that would look funny on a KLR however. > >But could see how they could cut the cold wind off the knees and lower >legs. > >Reckon just saying "Assless Chaps" makes me think of the Village >People or something > >Dance with who you brought, or ride what you got, no matter to me. > >Dooden >A15 Green Ape > > > > > > >

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[RM]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:06:24 EST, jokerloco9@... said:

> I think it is reasonable to assume that most people in an affluent > community are highly educated. I also think it is likely that higher > educated people, likely have higher incomes. And I think it is likely > that these type of people are less likely to get dirty/do manual > labor jobs, like repairing bikes and cars, and are less likely to put > up with wind/cold/rain and other uncomfortable items that accompany > motorcycle riding. They are more likely to want a 4 star motel.

This is a more affluent city in Southern California, where everyone who's worth anything should all look like they've "made it" and those who haven't "made it" should leave. Anything that reeks of the lower classes is unwelcome. In my case, it's not a matter of parking a bike outside. It's a matter of a

[Mike Brodhead]

On Jan 11, 2007, at 6:33 AM, Blake Sobiloff wrote:

> Sorry I didn't pipe up; I thought everyone knew I recommend Michelin > Anakees for on-road use, and I didn't want to bore y'all. You > can find my comments on these tires in Michael's tire FAQ.

+1 on the Anakees. I don't have many miles on mine yet, but they are everything I hoped for so far, especially in the rain. --mkb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Mike Brodhead]

On Jan 12, 2007, at 12:17 PM, jokerloco9@... wrote:

> Has anybody ever examined how practical the sportbike riding > position is?

Yes, and that's the day I started thinking about a KLR. On the Gixxer, I found that if my form was bad, my wrists hurt. If my form was good, then my lower back hurt. A sportbike is really designed for a professional athlete in his early twenties to ride for the length of a 45 minute race, not for a 38 year old dilettante (read "me") to ride all day. That said....

> Yes, it looks cool, and is good for racing, but what is the point of > being bent over a bike riding on the street?

The sportbike riding position has a few advantages for the street rider. * I felt the wind a lot less on the Gixxer * With my feet underneath my center of mass, it was easer to shift my weight around: side-to-side for turns, stand up for rough patches, backwards and forwards for various things. I was just getting the hang of left/right weight shifts when my bike was stolen. * Splitting lanes was a lot easier with the narrow bars. * Bending over compressed my stomach, making it uncomfortable to eat really large meals. I was thus forced to eat smaller meals which is better for me in the long run. * If something really terrifying happens, I don't need to curl up into the fetal position to simulate the comfort of the womb-- I'm already in the correct position. I'd definitely like to have sportbike in my stable again, I just don't want one for my only ride. --mkb [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]