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[stevedyer]

You might want to check your references again, Cap'n. You may be mistaking the .275 Rigby for the .275 H&H, which is a different animal altogether. The .275 Rigby and the 7x57 are the same cartridge, fully interechangeable, with identical dimensions, differing in name only: http://www.chuckhawks.com/7mm.htm http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=125 http://www.rifleshootermag.com/ammunition/seven_092105/ Excerpt from the last reference above: "Anyway, the 7mm as a smokeless-powder caliber was launched when Spain adopted the 7mm Mauser as its martial cartridge in 1893, first in a limited number of Mauser's Model of 1892, then in serious quantities in the Model '93. The cartridge is known by at least four names: Spanish Mauser, 7mm Mauser, 7x57 and in England as the .275 Rigby. It was eventually adopted by the armies of Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Colombia, Venezuela, Costa Rica, Serbia, China, Persia, Transvaal and the Orange Free State". Steve, who has owned rifles for, hunted with, and handloaded the 7x57 Mauser/.275 Rigby.

----- Original Message ----- From: "usa1911a1" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com>; Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Bird Strikes > Your comment made me pull out my cartridge conversion bible to see how > they > compare. > > The .275 Rigby while very similar to the 7x57 Mauser is not the same > cartridge. 7x57 cartridges may be formed via dies to the correct size for > the Rigby, but the cartridges are not interchangeable. The neck size, rim > size, length and internal dimensions are all different. The 30-06 shell > casing may also be used for the rigby...again with changes. > > Ballistically the Rigby outperforms the 7x57 but IMHO by very > little...hardly enough to make it worth creating a new cartridge. There > are > many wildcat cartridges out there that only exist because someone wanted > to > tack their name on it. > > Capt. Bob in Durham, CT. USA > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Bird Strikes > > >> >> I'd have to check my library, but I believe many of Bell's elephants were > taken with a .275 Rigby, basically a 7x57 Mauser that was given a > proprietary name by when chambered in Rigby's rifles. >> >> Steve >> Who spent too much of his youth reading all that stuff. >> >> >> ---- revmaaatin wrote: >> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: >> > >> > >(long-ago) >> > >elephant hunter's name--killed more elephants >than any other man >> for >> > >ivory--whose weapon was 6.5mm, Carcanio >(sp) if I got it all >> right in >> > >> > Walter Bell (known as WDM Bell) is the hunter you refer to. It is >> also well to recognize that he was a magic rifle shot according to >> reports by others. He used to like to stand above Victoria Falls and >> wing shoot cormorants with his 6.5. >> > >> > The Carcano is better known as 6.5 x 52 Mannlicher-Carcano. >> > >> > Norm >> > >> Hi Norm, >> snip-The Carcano is better known as 6.5 x 52 Mannlicher-Carcano.-snip >> Yep. That's the one; and now for a lame excuse. >> I'm not quite as isolated as the other chap on the tugboat (fork- >> brace for sale) but when I am in the flying mode and not the rev >> mode, I don't have access to my personal library, or much of anything >> else except jet fuel, hydraulic oil and a very nice 'rotary dual- >> sport'. >> revmaaatin. who is not very talented at finding anything on the >> internet other than his access to the DSN_KLR650 list >> >> >> >> >> Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

[Norm Keller]

>Steve, who has owned rifles for, hunted with, >and handloaded the 7x57 Mauser/.275 Rigby

And then there's my favourite cartridge PO Ackley's 7x57 Improved. Someone mentioned double rifles, or perhaps it was in a piece on WDM Bell. The three which I owned were very interesting as owning and operating is very different from a single barrelled rifle. Great fun! Many of the classic English double rifles were a lot like the KLR as the bullets are heavy and slow but get the job done. Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Harry Seifert]

MAAAAARTIN, What are you flying these days, a Bell or a Bolkow? The last one I got to fly in was an MBB 105. Ancient history, but what a bird. About 15 years ago, one of our Lifeflight pilots did a full loop when he was bringing it in to do a show and tell at one of my fire stations. The flight nurse was not much amused! He was a cranky little pisser anyway. Unfortunately, Mercy Air is our provider now; new pilots every two months or so, we just get 'em broken in to some of our "native" landing sites and then they get transferred elsewhere to work. Best pilots we had were old VietNam era pilots who were used to flying the nap of the earth and squeezin' into tight LZ's. Flyin' in helicopters is almost as much fun as drivin' a code 3 fire engine. Noisier, in fact Buddy bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: revmaaatin > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/8/2006 11:21:59 AM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: NKLR Bird Strikes > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Norm Keller" wrote: > > > > >(long-ago) > > >elephant hunter's name-- >>> and a very nice 'rotary dual- > sport'. > revmaaatin. who is not very talented at finding anything on the > internet other than his access to the DSN_KLR650 list > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at:

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html

> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" wrote:

> > MAAAAARTIN, > > What are you flying these days, a Bell or a Bolkow? The last one I

got to

> fly in was an MBB 105. Ancient history, but what a bird. About 15

years

> ago, one of our Lifeflight pilots did a full loop when he was

bringing it

> in to do a show and tell at one of my fire stations. The flight

nurse was

> not much amused!

Hi Harry, Present rotary-dual-sport is the Bell407. picture link follows: http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com/en/aircraft/commercial/bell407.c fm You really touched a nerve when you said Bolkow...as the BK-117 is my favorite small helo. picture link follows: http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Helicopters/Aircraf t/MBBKawasakiBK117.html When you crank the cyclic, it is immediate in response. Note for earthpeople: Bolkow is a German-Japanese-American consortium, now Eurocopter The capabilities of the BO-105 (picture link follows): http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Helicopters/Aircraf t/MBBBO105.html and the BK-117 for doing acrobatics is well known, to include the outside loop and a hammerhead stall. (WARNING: The writer is now crawling up on his SOAPBOX.) However, I would suggest any lifeflight pilot that does acrobatics with a medical helo, or with a pax on board, is a pilot that you should not fly with. No matter what their name or reputation (IMO). Just curious, did he say, "Hey watch this?" just before the maneuver. As a 16-y/o student pilot aka 'jr bird man', an old pilot told me once , "Just because the airplane seat is empty, does not mean you should get in it." It only took ONE ride with someone that I thought was SANE to have that marked INDELIBLY in the front of my head. It also follows, that just because somebody shows up with a motorcycle, does not mean that you should go ride with them until you know that they safe riders. I recently rode with a crop-duster-instructor in his SuperCub. His preflight brief included, "If I scare you, I am not doing my job right." I knew immediately this was going to be OK. His demonstration flight was conducted at sundown, we made 6 passes, (made mostly to empty the chemical tanks of the remaining 20 gals of spray) it was never scary...but I was gritting my teeth. When I described it to my fellow med pilots and nurses, too a person, they all said, "NO THANKS". revmaaatin. who has heard that there are bold pilots and old pilots, but not any old, bold pilots. Same applies to KLR riders....

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "revmaaatin" wrote: LIST: The links listed below are good links, but on my browser, the links listed below will not line-wrap as indicated in blue, so that if you want to use the links, you will have to cut and paste the entire link to a new browser. ie http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com/en/aircraft/commercial/bell407.c fm Then it will work just fine. Sorry in advance. rev. > Hi Harry, > Present rotary-dual-sport is the Bell407. picture link follows: http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com/en/aircraft/commercial/bell407.c fm > http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com/en/aircraft/commercial/bell407.c > fm > You really touched a nerve when you said Bolkow...as the BK-117 is my > favorite small helo. picture link follows: > http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Helicopters/Aircraf > t/MBBKawasakiBK117.html > When you crank the cyclic, it is immediate in response. Note for > earthpeople: Bolkow is a German-Japanese-American consortium, now > Eurocopter > > The capabilities of the BO-105 (picture link follows): > > http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Helicopters/Aircraf > t/MBBBO105.html > > and the BK-117 for doing acrobatics is well known, to include the > outside loop and a hammerhead stall. > (WARNING: The writer is now crawling up on his SOAPBOX.) > However, I would suggest any lifeflight pilot that does acrobatics > with a medical helo, or with a pax on board, is a pilot that you > should not fly with. No matter what their name or reputation (IMO). > Just curious, did he say, "Hey watch this?" just before the maneuver. > > As a 16-y/o student pilot aka 'jr bird man', an old pilot told me > once , "Just because the airplane seat is empty, does not mean you > should get in it." It only took ONE ride with someone that I thought > was SANE to have that marked INDELIBLY in the front of my head. It > also follows, that just because somebody shows up with a motorcycle, > does not mean that you should go ride with them until you know that > they safe riders. > > I recently rode with a crop-duster-instructor in his SuperCub. His > preflight brief included, "If I scare you, I am not doing my job > right." I knew immediately this was going to be OK. His > demonstration flight was conducted at sundown, we made 6 passes, > (made mostly to empty the chemical tanks of the remaining 20 gals of > spray) it was never scary...but I was gritting my teeth. When I > described it to my fellow med pilots and nurses, too a person, they > all said, "NO THANKS". > > revmaaatin. who has heard that there are bold pilots and old pilots, > but not any old, bold pilots. Same applies to KLR riders.... >

[Don S]

I have a buddy who had a Cessna 185 Skywagon float plane. He was an incredible bush pilot with lots of hours under his belt. As good as he was, he had a rather disconcerting habit of shouting "I don't know if we'll get out of this alive?" every time prepared for a landing. Then he'd come down over the tree tops so closely that I thought I could hear branches scraping the floats. When we'd land, he let out a "Whew! That was close." Needless to say, he had an unusual sense of humour. It was neat to watch first time passengers climb out of his plane. Don revmaaatin wrote: --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" wrote:

> > MAAAAARTIN, > > What are you flying these days, a Bell or a Bolkow? The last one I

got to

> fly in was an MBB 105. Ancient history, but what a bird. About 15

years

> ago, one of our Lifeflight pilots did a full loop when he was

bringing it

> in to do a show and tell at one of my fire stations. The flight

nurse was

> not much amused!

Hi Harry, Present rotary-dual-sport is the Bell407. picture link follows: http://www.bellhelicopter.textron.com/en/aircraft/commercial/bell407.c fm You really touched a nerve when you said Bolkow...as the BK-117 is my favorite small helo. picture link follows: http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Helicopters/Aircraf t/MBBKawasakiBK117.html When you crank the cyclic, it is immediate in response. Note for earthpeople: Bolkow is a German-Japanese-American consortium, now Eurocopter The capabilities of the BO-105 (picture link follows): http://www.photovault.com/Link/Technology/Aviation_Helicopters/Aircraf t/MBBBO105.html and the BK-117 for doing acrobatics is well known, to include the outside loop and a hammerhead stall. (WARNING: The writer is now crawling up on his SOAPBOX.) However, I would suggest any lifeflight pilot that does acrobatics with a medical helo, or with a pax on board, is a pilot that you should not fly with. No matter what their name or reputation (IMO). Just curious, did he say, "Hey watch this?" just before the maneuver. As a 16-y/o student pilot aka 'jr bird man', an old pilot told me once , "Just because the airplane seat is empty, does not mean you should get in it." It only took ONE ride with someone that I thought was SANE to have that marked INDELIBLY in the front of my head. It also follows, that just because somebody shows up with a motorcycle, does not mean that you should go ride with them until you know that they safe riders. I recently rode with a crop-duster-instructor in his SuperCub. His preflight brief included, "If I scare you, I am not doing my job right." I knew immediately this was going to be OK. His demonstration flight was conducted at sundown, we made 6 passes, (made mostly to empty the chemical tanks of the remaining 20 gals of spray) it was never scary...but I was gritting my teeth. When I described it to my fellow med pilots and nurses, too a person, they all said, "NO THANKS". revmaaatin. who has heard that there are bold pilots and old pilots, but not any old, bold pilots. Same applies to KLR riders.... --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote:

> > I have a buddy who had a Cessna 185 Skywagon float plane. He was

an incredible bush pilot with lots of hours under his belt. As good as he was, he had a rather disconcerting habit of shouting "I don't know if we'll get out of this alive?" every time prepared for a landing. Then he'd come down over the tree tops so closely that I thought I could hear branches scraping the floats. When we'd land, he let out a "Whew! That was close." Needless to say, he had an unusual sense of humour.

> > It was neat to watch first time passengers climb out of his

plane.

> > Don

If you are trolling, I'll bite. (rant switch-0N) I say again, if the pilot scares you intentionally, s/he has given you a warning not to allow it to happen again. It scares me to think s/he thinks that it is funny to scare a passenger that has trusted you with their life. I'll be the first to report such conduct to the FAA and let the 'pilot' explain their conduct. One of these days some panicked passenger will attempt to help the scared pilot and the outcome will be 'death by stupidity'. Oddly enough, he won't be the first to fight a passenger for the controls, all the way to the crash site. (rant switch-OFF) Pilots with this kind of skill single-handily manufacture last-time- passengers and should be avoided, even if he is a friend. Don, humoring such conduct: He is going to kill you or somebody else, it is only a matter of time. (IMO) sorry, rant was still 'ON'. revmaaatin.

[Don S]

Thanks for the comments and guidance rev. Although, you may have taken my message out of context. I have flown with this guy many times and his antics are actually quite humourous. I'd fly with him any time. To put you at ease however, he sold the plane a few years ago and doesn't fly any more. Don revmaaatin wrote:

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Don S wrote: > > I have a buddy who had a Cessna 185 Skywagon float plane. He was an incredible bush pilot with lots of hours under his belt. As good as he was, he had a rather disconcerting habit of shouting "I don't know if we'll get out of this alive?" every time prepared for a landing. Then he'd come down over the tree tops so closely that I thought I could hear branches scraping the floats. When we'd land, he let out a "Whew! That was close." Needless to say, he had an unusual sense of humour. > > It was neat to watch first time passengers climb out of his plane. > > Don If you are trolling, I'll bite. (rant switch-0N) I say again, if the pilot scares you intentionally, s/he has given you a warning not to allow it to happen again. It scares me to think s/he thinks that it is funny to scare a passenger that has trusted you with their life. I'll be the first to report such conduct to the FAA and let the 'pilot' explain their conduct. One of these days some panicked passenger will attempt to help the scared pilot and the outcome will be 'death by stupidity'. Oddly enough, he won't be the first to fight a passenger for the controls, all the way to the crash site. (rant switch-OFF) Pilots with this kind of skill single-handily manufacture last-time- passengers and should be avoided, even if he is a friend. Don, humoring such conduct: He is going to kill you or somebody else, it is only a matter of time. (IMO) sorry, rant was still 'ON'. revmaaatin. --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Norm Keller]

Reminds me of the barber we used to use. He would tell a long sad story about how life had been tough for him which culminated as he was using a straight razor to shave one's neck and around ears. He would tell how the College of Medicine wouldn't let him practice as a surgeon just because his epilepsy wasn't under control. He did a told a good story which made one sit verrrryyy still. (VBG) Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Norm Keller]

I becoming concerned over the length of time this thread has been running and that it has not found a resolution. Bird strikes are not really a subject for a KLR group. Isn't there some way that a negotiator can find a way to get them back to work? Is this a legal strike or (hate to suggest) a wildcat strike? Maybe the latter as I know of cases where birds have been in a wildcat. Norm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]