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[dcamptownraces]

I posted a question about using the Hi-altitude dyno jet carb kit. I take it that no one has used the kit? Or, am I being shunned 'cause I actually have washed my KLR twice since owning it? If so , I'm sorry, didn't read that page in the DSN by-laws. One more question, do I really have to mount a shaft-drive to do wheelies? ( seriously, any advice on the carb kit?) Thanks, Dennis

[Dan Bittner]

Dennis, some of us actually like a clean KLR, so I doubt that you're being shunned, it's just that I suspect that very few of us have ever had the need for the high altitude kit. If I recall you mentioned having problems at 7000' or so, and if your bike is stock it should run fine at that altitude. I had an A16 and currently have a A18, both ran fine at sea level (actually a little lean at sea level, but a carb at its best is always a compromise) and up to 9000' elevation with the stock 148 main jet, even with the usual tweaks on the pilot screw and running the KLX needle. They will idle slower at altitude, but that's normal. You might want to provide a little more info on your bike, like, is it stock, have you ever checked your valves, air filter clean, how many miles on it, oil consumption and any other clues that you can think of. Dan Bittner Sacramento, Ca A18 KLR 03 YZF600R 02 TTR250

----- Original Message ----- From: dcamptownraces To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit I posted a question about using the Hi-altitude dyno jet carb kit. I take it that no one has used the kit? Or, am I being shunned 'cause I actually have washed my KLR twice since owning it? If so , I'm sorry, didn't read that page in the DSN by-laws. One more question, do I really have to mount a shaft-drive to do wheelies? ( seriously, any advice on the carb kit?) Thanks, Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dail]

Hi dennis, your no longer being shunned! All constant velocity (CV) carburetors are designed to compensate for changes in altitude and barometric pressure. Quote from http://www.floheadworks.com/Products/keihin_carburetors.htm the CV carb compensates for going from one altitude to the next. Quote from http://www.battlescooter.com/6955/22520.html?*session*id*key*=*session*id*val*

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[Ronald Criswell]

I used a Dyno Jet kit on mine seems like I got mine from Fred and just followed directions. I live at 800 ft altitude. Seems like I put the 140 jet in - been awhile. It runs fine at 11,000' to 12,000'. It starts a little easier when cold and has more throttle response due to drilling the slide (my opinion). Friend that has one stock says mine is a lot peppier. Probably hurt milage. Criswell

On Aug 30, 2006, at 10:22 PM, dcamptownraces wrote: > I posted a question about using the Hi-altitude dyno jet carb kit. I > take it that no one has used the kit? Or, am I being shunned 'cause I > actually have washed my KLR twice since owning it? If so , I'm sorry, > didn't read that page in the DSN by-laws. One more question, do I > really have to mount a shaft-drive to do wheelies? ( seriously, any > advice on the carb kit?) Thanks, Dennis > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dennis Shell]

Hi Dan, The bike is an 06 that I bought new. It has just over 2k on the odometer right now. I followed the break-in procedure as per the manual ( and all the stickers on the tank and tach ). The symptoms are; slight bog taking off from a stop, I don't need the choke to start it, even cool mornings when it hasn't been started for a couple days, poor gas mileage ( 38-45 mpg), black soot on rear fender, once in awhile, I get a slight whiff of gas when I start the bike and alittle puff of smoke just coming off idle. I would believe it is a dealer prep item but I wouldn't know where to look. The choke lever does not have any kind of a positive feel to it ( no detent or definite off position, just kinda push it to the side) I have found a few items that needed addressing ( I think that the dealer prep charge on the invoice is actually an educational charge, the idea is to screw-up the set-up so you become intimate with the workings of your bike. Maybe they should change it to a dealer pimp charge) Anyways, I was looking at the HI-alt kit as a possible fix for my issues ( if they sell one, it must be needed, right?) I would definitely be interested in picking the collective brain of this group to resolve this problem so any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your response, Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bittner To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit Dennis, some of us actually like a clean KLR, so I doubt that you're being shunned, it's just that I suspect that very few of us have ever had the need for the high altitude kit. If I recall you mentioned having problems at 7000' or so, and if your bike is stock it should run fine at that altitude. I had an A16 and currently have a A18, both ran fine at sea level (actually a little lean at sea level, but a carb at its best is always a compromise) and up to 9000' elevation with the stock 148 main jet, even with the usual tweaks on the pilot screw and running the KLX needle. They will idle slower at altitude, but that's normal. You might want to provide a little more info on your bike, like, is it stock, have you ever checked your valves, air filter clean, how many miles on it, oil consumption and any other clues that you can think of. Dan Bittner Sacramento, Ca A18 KLR 03 YZF600R 02 TTR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: dcamptownraces To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit I posted a question about using the Hi-altitude dyno jet carb kit. I take it that no one has used the kit? Or, am I being shunned 'cause I actually have washed my KLR twice since owning it? If so , I'm sorry, didn't read that page in the DSN by-laws. One more question, do I really have to mount a shaft-drive to do wheelies? ( seriously, any advice on the carb kit?) Thanks, Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dennis Shell]

Hi Dan, The bike is stock except oil and gas. I bought the bike new (06) and followed the break-in precedure to the T. Right now I have just over 2k on the odometer. Symptoms are as follows, no choke needed to start, bogs at low rpm, poor gas mileage. ( between 38-45 mpg ). I can smell a little gas when I first start the bike. (not always just now and then). Black soot on rear fender by the exhaust. Little puff of smoke when I first take-off from a stop. ( once again, only once in awhile not always) The bike does run, I've had it in the 95 mph region even at 7,000 ft. The high-altitude kit lists a smaller main and pilot jet, with a different needle. Is it possible that there is a dealer prep issue instead ? The choke lever does not have any kind of positive feel to it, ( no detents, no feel of a definite "off"). I have found a few dealer prep issues ( I guess thats why they put it into the price of a new bike, it's not 'cause they prep'ed correctly, it's the cost of screwing it up so you become more intimate with your bike. Maybe it's a mis-spelled invoice, it should read dealer pimp.) Sorry for the long-windedness, I was wondering if the high alt. kit would help or should I look somewhere else for my problems. Thanks for your help, Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bittner To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit Dennis, some of us actually like a clean KLR, so I doubt that you're being shunned, it's just that I suspect that very few of us have ever had the need for the high altitude kit. If I recall you mentioned having problems at 7000' or so, and if your bike is stock it should run fine at that altitude. I had an A16 and currently have a A18, both ran fine at sea level (actually a little lean at sea level, but a carb at its best is always a compromise) and up to 9000' elevation with the stock 148 main jet, even with the usual tweaks on the pilot screw and running the KLX needle. They will idle slower at altitude, but that's normal. You might want to provide a little more info on your bike, like, is it stock, have you ever checked your valves, air filter clean, how many miles on it, oil consumption and any other clues that you can think of. Dan Bittner Sacramento, Ca A18 KLR 03 YZF600R 02 TTR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: dcamptownraces To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit I posted a question about using the Hi-altitude dyno jet carb kit. I take it that no one has used the kit? Or, am I being shunned 'cause I actually have washed my KLR twice since owning it? If so , I'm sorry, didn't read that page in the DSN by-laws. One more question, do I really have to mount a shaft-drive to do wheelies? ( seriously, any advice on the carb kit?) Thanks, Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Don S]

From what you describe, you are obviously getting too much fuel at all rpms. Sounds like you enriching system is not shutting off when not required. I think that would be my first place to look. Other than that, it could possibly by you jet needle being obstructed and remaining partially open. However, that would not explain high speed issues. Start with your choke/enriching system. Don Dennis Shell wrote: Hi Dan, The bike is an 06 that I bought new. It has just over 2k on the odometer right now. I followed the break-in procedure as per the manual ( and all the stickers on the tank and tach ). The symptoms are; slight bog taking off from a stop, I don't need the choke to start it, even cool mornings when it hasn't been started for a couple days, poor gas mileage ( 38-45 mpg), black soot on rear fender, once in awhile, I get a slight whiff of gas when I start the bike and alittle puff of smoke just coming off idle. I would believe it is a dealer prep item but I wouldn't know where to look. The choke lever does not have any kind of a positive feel to it ( no detent or definite off position, just kinda push it to the side) I have found a few items that needed addressing ( I think that the dealer prep charge on the invoice is actually an educational charge, the idea is to screw-up the set-up so you become intimate with the workings of your bike. Maybe they should change it to a dealer pimp charge) Anyways, I was looking at the HI-alt kit as a possible fix for my issues ( if they sell one, it must be needed, right?) I would definitely be interested in picking the collective brain of this group to resolve this problem so any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your response, Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bittner To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit Dennis, some of us actually like a clean KLR, so I doubt that you're being shunned, it's just that I suspect that very few of us have ever had the need for the high altitude kit. If I recall you mentioned having problems at 7000' or so, and if your bike is stock it should run fine at that altitude. I had an A16 and currently have a A18, both ran fine at sea level (actually a little lean at sea level, but a carb at its best is always a compromise) and up to 9000' elevation with the stock 148 main jet, even with the usual tweaks on the pilot screw and running the KLX needle. They will idle slower at altitude, but that's normal. You might want to provide a little more info on your bike, like, is it stock, have you ever checked your valves, air filter clean, how many miles on it, oil consumption and any other clues that you can think of. Dan Bittner Sacramento, Ca A18 KLR 03 YZF600R 02 TTR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: dcamptownraces To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit I posted a question about using the Hi-altitude dyno jet carb kit. I take it that no one has used the kit? Or, am I being shunned 'cause I actually have washed my KLR twice since owning it? If so , I'm sorry, didn't read that page in the DSN by-laws. One more question, do I really have to mount a shaft-drive to do wheelies? ( seriously, any advice on the carb kit?) Thanks, Dennis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dan Bittner]

Hey Dennis, Good description, you gave us something to work with. You're right, you are running to rich ( way rich ), but a jet kit is not your answer. Fortunately it shouldn't be to difficult to correct, even for the dealer to fix if your so inclined. As mentioned, first thing I'd would check would be the choke (enrichining) cable, make sure it's closing all the way. There are no detents, it's just a small piston shaped deal with a needle on the end inside the carb that moves back and forth in a bore. There is a cable adjustment at the lever, and similar to a throttle cable or a clutch cable, you should have a little free play there which you can feel by pulling the cable back away from its holder. If the cable is adjusted back out away from the holder, to tight, the choke won't close all the way. If its ran like that from day one its possible that your float level was set to high from the factory ( highly unlikely, I've never seen one or heard of one that wasn't close to specs from the factory ) or you may have a small piece of crud stuck to your float needle/seat preventing it from seating all the way, also possible that your pilot screw is backed out to far from factory, that I have seen recently for the first time on an 05 KLR. Last but not least, pull your side cover and air box lid and make sure there is no obstruction restricting air flow. Its a simple carb and that's where your problem is, just some little a little thing not quite right with it, changing jets right now though wont help until you figure out what that little thing is, should run fine stock. Good luck and keep us posted, if you tackle it yourself there's a lot of knowledgeable people here that can help you out, you'll love it once it's running right. Dan Bittner Sacramento, Ca. A18 KLR 03 YZF600R 02 TTR250

----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Shell To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; Dan Bittner Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit Recent Activity a.. 32New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups .Hi Dan, The bike is stock except oil and gas. I bought the bike new (06) and followed the break-in precedure to the T. Right now I have just over 2k on the odometer. Symptoms are as follows, no choke needed to start, bogs at low rpm, poor gas mileage. ( between 38-45 mpg ). I can smell a little gas when I first start the bike. (not always just now and then). Black soot on rear fender by the exhaust. Little puff of smoke when I first take-off from a stop. ( once again, only once in awhile not always) The bike does run, I've had it in the 95 mph region even at 7,000 ft. The high-altitude kit lists a smaller main and pilot jet, with a different needle. Is it possible that there is a dealer prep issue instead ? The choke lever does not have any kind of positive feel to it, ( no detents, no feel of a definite "off"). I have found a few dealer prep issues ( I guess thats why they put it into the price of a new bike, it's not 'cause they prep'ed correctly, it's the cost of screwing it up so you become more intimate with your bike. Maybe it's a mis-spelled invoice, it should read dealer pimp.) Sorry for the long-windedness, I was wondering if the high alt. kit would help or should I look somewhere else for my problems. Thanks for your help, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Jud Jones]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Shell" wrote:

> > Hi Dan, The bike is stock except oil and gas. I bought the bike new (06) and followed the

break-in precedure to the T. Right now I have just over 2k on the odometer. Symptoms are as follows, no choke needed to start, bogs at low rpm, poor gas mileage. ( between 38-45 mpg ). I can smell a little gas when I first start the bike. (not always just now and then). Black soot on rear fender by the exhaust. Little puff of smoke when I first take-off from a stop. ( once again, only once in awhile not always) The bike does run, I've had it in the 95 mph region even at 7,000 ft. The high-altitude kit lists a smaller main and pilot jet, with a different needle. Is it possible that there is a dealer prep issue instead ? The choke lever does not have any kind of positive feel to it, ( no detents, no feel of a definite "off"). I have found a few dealer prep issues ( I guess thats why they put it into the price of a new bike, it's not 'cause they prep'ed correctly, it's the cost of screwing it up so you become more intimate with your bike. Maybe it's a mis-spelled invoice, it should read dealer pimp.) Sorry for the long- windedness, I was wondering if the high alt. kit would help or should I look somewhere else for my problems. This definitely sounds like a problem with your "choke", most likely a cable with insufficient slack to allow the plunger to seat fully.

[Dennis Shell]

Thank you all for the info concerning the choke cable. I have learned alot about this bike just by lurking and reading all the posts. The big nut under the handle bars and the associated bearings (stem bearings ?) were loose enough to be dangerous, crosswind wobble was flat scary, WD40 chainlube , things to look for and ways to fix them. Anyways, my point is, I do appreciate all the info and help on this site. So, thanks all, Dennis

----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Bittner To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit Hey Dennis, Good description, you gave us something to work with. You're right, you are running to rich ( way rich ), but a jet kit is not your answer. Fortunately it shouldn't be to difficult to correct, even for the dealer to fix if your so inclined. As mentioned, first thing I'd would check would be the choke (enrichining) cable, make sure it's closing all the way. There are no detents, it's just a small piston shaped deal with a needle on the end inside the carb that moves back and forth in a bore. There is a cable adjustment at the lever, and similar to a throttle cable or a clutch cable, you should have a little free play there which you can feel by pulling the cable back away from its holder. If the cable is adjusted back out away from the holder, to tight, the choke won't close all the way. If its ran like that from day one its possible that your float level was set to high from the factory ( highly unlikely, I've never seen one or heard of one that wasn't close to specs from the factory ) or you may have a small piece of crud stuck to your float needle/seat preventing it from seating all the way, also possible that your pilot screw is backed out to far from factory, that I have seen recently for the first time on an 05 KLR. Last but not least, pull your side cover and air box lid and make sure there is no obstruction restricting air flow. Its a simple carb and that's where your problem is, just some little a little thing not quite right with it, changing jets right now though wont help until you figure out what that little thing is, should run fine stock. Good luck and keep us posted, if you tackle it yourself there's a lot of knowledgeable people here that can help you out, you'll love it once it's running right. Dan Bittner Sacramento, Ca. A18 KLR 03 YZF600R 02 TTR250 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Shell To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com ; Dan Bittner Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] Hi-altitude carb kit Recent Activity a.. 32New Members b.. 2New Links Visit Your Group New Message Search Find the message you want faster. Visit your group to try out the improved message search. Share feedback on the new changes to Groups .Hi Dan, The bike is stock except oil and gas. I bought the bike new (06) and followed the break-in precedure to the T. Right now I have just over 2k on the odometer. Symptoms are as follows, no choke needed to start, bogs at low rpm, poor gas mileage. ( between 38-45 mpg ). I can smell a little gas when I first start the bike. (not always just now and then). Black soot on rear fender by the exhaust. Little puff of smoke when I first take-off from a stop. ( once again, only once in awhile not always) The bike does run, I've had it in the 95 mph region even at 7,000 ft. The high-altitude kit lists a smaller main and pilot jet, with a different needle. Is it possible that there is a dealer prep issue instead ? The choke lever does not have any kind of positive feel to it, ( no detents, no feel of a definite "off"). I have found a few dealer prep issues ( I guess thats why they put it into the price of a new bike, it's not 'cause they prep'ed correctly, it's the cost of screwing it up so you become more intimate with your bike. Maybe it's a mis-spelled invoice, it should read dealer pimp.) Sorry for the long-windedness, I was wondering if the high alt. kit would help or should I look somewhere else for my problems. Thanks for your help, Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]