nklr just look at these prices! must be junk but wow!

[Don Bittle]

I have an challenge to all the great brains and their friends on this list. Maybe thru a deer urine collection farm or a college zoology dept., test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run away from said sound. The little hand held device that runners use to scare off dogs really work. Maybe research will find something for deer. There's a gold mine in such a finding. Since deer are My biggest fear on the hwy, I'd buy one at any price. And finally, the last word on $3 deer whistles is, they don't work. don a17

On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:39 PM, rosslindberg wrote: > I can tell you firsthand what it's like to hit a deer on a > motorcycle. I clobbered one doing 65 at night when I was 17. and a > serious > traffic threat. I suggest you get more mileage out of your vest by > becoming a deer hunter and do all of us a favor. Take out as many > deer as legally possible. > > > >, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Matt Knowles]

On Aug 23, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Don Bittle wrote:

> test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run > away from said sound.

Half the problem with deer though is they seem too stupid to figure out in what direction to run. I'd rather try to avoid a deer standing still than to panic it and then try to dodge something that is moving. Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA) '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned

[Woodside, James A]

I see deer about every morning on my commute to work. I've hit one with a car and I'd really hate to take one out with my KLR. My only fear about an electronic noise deterrent is it may scare the deer out into the road. As we all know, deer have the mental capacity of a squirrel and will typically run dead ahead to escape danger. I can picture riding down the road and see a deer standing stalk still until I approach and it barrels out in front of me because of my noise maker. It's a good idea but I'd rather pass a deer that's either placid to my motor noise or to scared to move then one that's frightened into flight by some horribly annoying alien noise. I think thinning the herds and defensive driving will always be our only safe options. Jim W A6Fingerprint Oakland, ME -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Don Bittle Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:38 PM To: rosslindberg Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] deer device I have an challenge to all the great brains and their friends on this list. Maybe thru a deer urine collection farm or a college zoology dept., test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run away from said sound. The little hand held device that runners use to scare off dogs really work. Maybe research will find something for deer. There's a gold mine in such a finding. Since deer are My biggest fear on the hwy, I'd buy one at any price. And finally, the last word on $3 deer whistles is, they don't work. don a17

On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:39 PM, rosslindberg wrote: > I can tell you firsthand what it's like to hit a deer on a > motorcycle. I clobbered one doing 65 at night when I was 17. and a > serious > traffic threat. I suggest you get more mileage out of your vest by > becoming a deer hunter and do all of us a favor. Take out as many > deer as legally possible. > > > >, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Don Bittle]

Well they seem to be pretty wise when I have my 12 gauge in hand. Maybe bikes should have the profile of a shotgun? a17 don

On Aug 23, 2006, at 12:19 PM, Matt Knowles wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Don Bittle wrote: > > > test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run > > away from said sound. > > Half the problem with deer though is they seem too stupid to figure > out > in what direction to run. I'd rather try to avoid a deer standing > still > than to panic it and then try to dodge something that is moving. > > Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - > http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles > '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA) > '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads > '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt > '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Robert Striemer]

I've done some internet research on this topic and from what I've read - mostly studies by state and provincial highways departments - there is no simple solution to ward off deer. The danger lies in their extreme stupidity. Scaring them with sound will not produce a reliable reaction - they will bolt in any direction, at any moment as the mood strikes them. Whistles, ultrasonic or otherwise do not work. Their hearing is no better than yours or mine. They are easily habituated to loud noises so hanging around noisy highways or airport runways is no problem for them. The studies have been done - noise is not a solution. They are a big problem for motorcyclists. Their numbers are exploding all across North America. I live in a city of over 600 000 and the deer are everywhere - in and outside the city. All you can do is try to be prepared. Where you ride, the time of day, the time of year and your speed are important factors to consider for the rider. Just after sunrise and just before sunset you will encounter more deer. Spring and fall are worse than summer and winter. Scan the sides of the road carefully at high hazard times. They like the trees and bush beside the road as much as the tall grasses so they can be very hard to spot even when moving. Approaching slowly is better than fast although there is no safe speed when passing them. A deer may jump into you even as you pass at 30 mph with disastrous consequences. They are completely unreliable in their reaction to traffic. Good luck Rob p.s. Motorcycle safety advocate and trainer Larry Grodsky, 55, died Saturday, April 8 after a collision with a deer in Texas. ( http://tinyurl.com/mz3hn )

----- Original Message ----- From: Don Bittle To: rosslindberg Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] deer device I have an challenge to all the great brains and their friends on this list. Maybe thru a deer urine collection farm or a college zoology dept., test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run away from said sound. The little hand held device that runners use to scare off dogs really work. Maybe research will find something for deer. There's a gold mine in such a finding. Since deer are My biggest fear on the hwy, I'd buy one at any price. And finally, the last word on $3 deer whistles is, they don't work. don a17 On Aug 22, 2006, at 9:39 PM, rosslindberg wrote: > I can tell you firsthand what it's like to hit a deer on a > motorcycle. I clobbered one doing 65 at night when I was 17. and a > serious > traffic threat. I suggest you get more mileage out of your vest by > becoming a deer hunter and do all of us a favor. Take out as many > deer as legally possible. > > > >, > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 22/08/2006 ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.5/425 - Release Date: 22/08/2006 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[stevedyer@cox.net]

Don, the solution to your problem was discovered a long time ago, and is successfully used by millions of people every year. Buy a hunting license and a deer tag. Keep them with you when you ride. No more danger of seeing any deer. Steve ---- Don Bittle wrote: I have an challenge to all the great brains and their friends on this list. Maybe thru a deer urine collection farm or a college zoology dept., test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run away from said sound. The little hand held device that runners use to scare off dogs really work. Maybe research will find something for deer. There's a gold mine in such a finding. Since deer are My biggest fear on the hwy, I'd buy one at any price. And finally, the last word on $3 deer whistles is, they don't work. don a17

[E.L. Green]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

> > > Don, the solution to your problem was discovered a long time ago,

and is successfully used by millions of people every year.

> > Buy a hunting license and a deer tag. Keep them with you when you

ride.

> > No more danger of seeing any deer.

That only works if you're carrying a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot with you too. Otherwise they stand by the road (or in the middle of it) and stick their tongues out at ya. -E

> ---- Don Bittle wrote: > I have an challenge to all the great brains and their friends on this > list. Maybe thru a deer urine collection farm or a college zoology > dept., test the herd to see what sounds make the deer want to run > away from said sound. > The little hand held device that runners use to scare off dogs really > work. > Maybe research will find something for deer. There's a gold mine in > such a finding. > Since deer are My biggest fear on the hwy, I'd buy one at any price. > And finally, the last word on $3 deer whistles is, they don't work. > don > a17 >

[Blake Sobiloff]

On Aug 23, 2006, at 11:34 AM, E.L. Green wrote:

> That only works if you're carrying a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot > with you too. Otherwise they stand by the road (or in the middle of > it) and stick their tongues out at ya.

Well, it won't hold a 12 gauge, but I think we've found the latest KiLleR farkle for those passing through deer country--the Mad Dog ATV Hand Gun Mount: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard- item.jsp? id=0005954520281a&navCount=1&podId=0005954&parentId=cat20149&navAction=j ump&cmCat=MainCatcat21412&catalogCode=IG&rid=&parentType=index&indexId=c at20149&hasJS=true> I've been looking for an excuse to get a .44 Magnum or 500 S&W... I just won't be able to fire it too fast or the recoil will bring my KLR to a halt. I better get it centered pretty well on the bars, too, or it'll pitch me into a turn. Now I've gotta scrounge an old iron sight like aerial machine gunners used! Woo hoo! -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/blakeblog/> http://sobiloff.typepad.com/klr_adventure/> San Jose, CA (USA) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Darren Clark]

I think it would be easier to use if it were mounted on the left side. But nice... I think I'll buy one just to put it on my bike! B.T.W. I've had deer run in front of me almost every morning for the last few weeks. I even had the pleasure of chasing one down the road for a half mile of so in my Jeep this morning! Darren Clark 2004 KLR-650

[Rock n Roll]

>Re: deer device >Posted by: "Robert Striemer" rjstriemer@... >robert_striemer >Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:53 am (PST) >I've done some internet research on this topic and >from what I've read - mostly studies by state and >provincial highways departments - there is no simple >solution to ward off deer...

I agree and am pretty skeptical that any noise (other than hunting boots) will repel deer. But if you are intent on an active noise-making deer "thing" (as opposed to a wind-driven whistle), google "Hyperlites", go to their website, and check out the device they sell. I don't own one, but several riders I know put them on, believe they "sort of" work, and are still alive. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com