**&^%$%% grips, but great brakes!

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

What a bunch of yahoos. Try this, consider 200 miles dead empty. You are never more then 200 miles from a gas station unless your in Alaska. --- revmaaatin wrote:

> --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Yan" > wrote: > > > > The KLR FAQ has a section on gas that's left in > the right side of > the > > tank even after you run dry on reserve. It says: > > > > To get at this gas in an emergency, tilt the bike > over to the left > as > > far as possible, and start riding again. You may > be able to repeat > > this process a few times. > > > > Does anyone have first hand experience as to how > much gas is > actually > > left there, how far can you get after every time > you tilt the bike > > over to the left, and how many times you can > repeat the process? > > Basically when I run out of reserve, do I have > enough gas for say a > > mile or two or more like 10-20 miles? > > > > Thanks. > > > Hi Yan, > I used the 'double-secret-reserve' and found that it > went ~8 miles > for me before it died, I did it again, and it went > another 7 miles. > When I got to the gas station, it only took 4.8 > gallons of fuel. > > There is one caveat in all of this; I was using an > inline filter at > the time and for whatever reason, the head-pressure > of the fuel would > not overcome the resistance of the fuel filter. > Same filter used by > Jeff Saline, a clear-plastic-made-for-MC made of > splintered-stone > (sp?)filter bought at the same BMW Store in Sturgis. > All that said, > the bike went to reserve before the design spec and > the fuel was not > a true reserve. This has happened to others with a > fuel filter > installed, while some get along with a fuel filter > just fine. As for > me, I don't want to carry around 2 gallons of fuel > that I cannot > access without removing the fuel filter. > > Perhaps others might shed some light on the > 'hydraulics' of why some > KLR's allow the use of a inline filter and others > don't. > > The only way to know what YOUR bike will do is to > carry a gallon of > spare fuel, run it out of gas down to reserve, use > up the reserve, > and do the double secret reserve. Not a recommended > procedure on the > interstate, at least not going past the the initial > reserve. If you > have to lay down the bike to get to the > double-secret-reserve, you > will want to do it at a place that you are not going > to get hit by a > cage. > > To answer you question vaguely, In my distant > memory, I believe most > have stated that they believed they had ~10+ miles > of double-secret- > reserve. > > AS always, YMMV. > > revmaaatin. > > > > > >

Sean Brown International Order of the KLR. "yeh, unto the ride, the thumper, yeh, and it was good, and thine did rejoice" amen matteeanne@... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[Bill Watson]

matteeanne@... wrote:

>>>hmmm. Ya know if you plan ahead you dont have to worry >>>about it,

Yep. We agree.

>>>and as for bending a lever leaning it over, >>>maybe you should eat more wheaties?

It's not a owner-strength thing, I had no problem lifting up the bike. As a first-time user slowly tips over the bike, it's the first thing that hits the ground, and it bends into the left case. The solution I found was to have the bike on a curb when you to this, so the lever never touches. Just didn't want to clutter that mail with that detail. Bill --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[J Fortner]

On 7/19/06, matteeanne@... wrote:

> > > What a bunch of yahoos. Try this, consider 200 miles > dead empty. You are never more then 200 miles from a > gas station unless your in Alaska. > >Or a large part of the Western US and Mexico.

JF [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[ckhaun@juno.com]

The KLR FAQ has a section on gas that's left in the right side of the tank even after you run dry on reserve. It says: To get at this gas in an emergency, tilt the bike over to the left as far as possible, and start riding again. You may be able to repeat this process a few times. Does anyone have first hand experience as to how much gas is actually left there, how far can you get after every time you tilt the bike over to the left, and how many times you can repeat the process? Basically when I run out of reserve, do I have enough gas for say a mile or two or more like 10-20 miles? Thanks. I was forced to try this out for myself a few weeks ago on the way home from work...I went to reserve on the way to work, then forgot that I needed gas on the way home. Long story shortened: I ran out in the fast lane of a busy stratch of I-80 at rush hour. In my full gear...in the left median (couldn't get over to the right), I must have looked like a crazy man tipping the KLR over on its side. I was able to get the bike to fire up and rode about 2 miles to the nearest exit and promptly filled up...$21.00 to fill a bike!! I wouldn't push it much more than 5 or 6 miles max, but I didn't try tipping it twice. BTW..I run the IMS tank. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

> > > What a bunch of yahoos. Try this, consider 200 miles > dead empty. You are never more then 200 miles from a > gas station unless your in Alaska. > --- revmaaatin wrote: >

att, Those sneaky Alaskan's, they stole the idea of fewer gas stations from South Dakota. Seems to me the gas stations here on the North Central and NW prairie are only 100 miles apart in some places. On the other hand, most ranchers will sell you some gas...some might even give it to you if you will just go away.... One of my friends, Earl P. ranches cattle just South of the Cheyenne River Reservation (the Native American's at one time received deeds and were able to sell land inside the reservation. A lot of land was sold before the tribes revoked the private ownership of land--the simplistic explanation.) He also cash-rents a good deal of the tribal land on the reservation for additional pasture. One day, a p/u truck with a horse trailer showed up with several members of the local tribe. "Can we have a cow [to eat--b-b-q] for our annual pow-wow." A request like this is one that is hard to refuse. Earl went out and picked a 'cull' cow, (also known as a 'pound-cow' ie sold to butcher-by-the-pound or 'hamburger-cow'; usually older, very lean, but still very much edible) the tribe was satisfied, and they loaded the party-animal (SIDEBAR COMMENT: this is where that phrase -party animal- originates, right here on an Indian Reservation in South Dakota)--and every one seemed satisfied. The tribe got a cow, Earl P. got to pick the cull cow, figuring if he said 'No' that most likely he would be missing a cow, and not one of his choice by sunup--tomorrow. Pleasantries were exchanged; much gratitude was shown by both parties and the final words from the tribe? "Can we get some gas? We don't have enough to get back to the pow-wow." When it rains, it pours. He gave them the gas needed to get back to the rez before they asked to be adopted. What a deal, a free party animal and gas to boot. revmaaatin. KLR Methodist Circuit Rider--Sioux Empire. Any way

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bill Watson wrote: It's not a owner-strength thing, I had no problem lifting up the bike. As a first-time user slowly tips over the bike, it's the first thing that hits the ground, and it bends into the left case. The solution I found was to have the bike on a curb when you to this, so the lever never touches. Just didn't want to clutter that mail with that detail. > > Bill Bill, I understood everything in this post, except the 'curb' suggestion. Coming from KY and now living in the last US frontier, is a 'curb' a cultural thing, perhaps indirectly related to electricity, indoor toilets and running water? Let me know if you can...sorry, got to go, I believe I can hear the goats eating the grass off the sod roof again.... Just curious. I hate to be left out of the information loop. revmaaatin.

[Mike Peplinski]

My BMW has the same setup, as do most motorcycle fuel tanks, with basically two reserves (one on each side of the tank). They use 2 petcocks and a joiner tube so you can draw from either the left or the right, emptying first one side then the other. This would be a great addition to the KLR since so many of us ride where fuel lay not be available for miles and this tilt-and-splash techinque is pretty iffy.

>From: "ckhaun@..." >To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: Gas in the right side of the tank >Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:40:04 GMT > >The KLR FAQ has a section on gas that's left in the right side of the >tank even after you run dry on reserve. It says: > >To get at this gas in an emergency, tilt the bike over to the left as >far as possible, and start riding again. You may be able to repeat >this process a few times. > >Does anyone have first hand experience as to how much gas is actually >left there, how far can you get after every time you tilt the bike >over to the left, and how many times you can repeat the process? >Basically when I run out of reserve, do I have enough gas for say a >mile or two or more like 10-20 miles? > >Thanks. > >I was forced to try this out for myself a few weeks ago on the way home >from work...I went to reserve on the way to work, then forgot that I needed >gas on the way home. Long story shortened: I ran out in the fast lane of a >busy stratch of I-80 at rush hour. In my full gear...in the left median >(couldn't get over to the right), I must have looked like a crazy man >tipping the KLR over on its side. I was able to get the bike to fire up and >rode about 2 miles to the nearest exit and promptly filled up...$21.00 to >fill a bike!! I wouldn't push it much more than 5 or 6 miles max, but I >didn't try tipping it twice. BTW..I run the IMS tank. > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >Archive Quicksearch at: >http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com >List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >

[revmaaatin]

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "ckhaun@..." wrote:

>

I wouldn't push it much more than 5 or 6 miles max, but I didn't try tipping it twice. BTW..I run the IMS tank. Hi CK As an eternal optimist, I would have to measure this comment (I did, with amusement) very carefully. I would suggest that you would not push a KLR much over a mile, and after the first 1oo yards of that 'five-six miles-max journey, you will begin to have an audible conversation, calling upon forces and power from the heavens, and even perhaps, have a 'conversion' experience that would rival the experience of St. Paul on the way to Damascus--an experience that changed his life, and, that might just change your life. It might come as a BFO, that is, a Blinding Flash of the Obvious, that pushing a two-wheeled pig is a little more difficult than first thought. Just like St. Paul, none of us are immune to one of those experiences, a BFO. Yeah, ask me how I know.... At the very least, you will pay strict attention to the trip odometer, and never even use reserve, again. A-Men. Push a KLR 5 or 6 miles? While wearing all the gear, all the time? You do wear proper riding equipment, right? Most people won't even walk 3 blocks to the convenience store. Smile. Push a KLR 5-6 miles? I would hate to LEAD a horse 5-6 miles in a cowboy costume, let alone push a KLR pig in a motorcycle costume. Let us know how it goes on that 5-6 mile push! Enquiring minds want to know. revmaaatin. one more BFO and I will be an 'ace' PS The above was responded to for amusement, or was it amazement: Now, this is serious. No KLR is worth risking your life to save or preserve. In extremis, preserve your life first, and lick your wounds/loss later. Stay hydrated to the greatest extent possible, and ride with a partner to the greatest extent possible, when practicable. I hate working overtime when 'pride-stubbornness-stupidity-and a corpse', all intersect at the 'wake'. I may not be 100% right in all this, but I always get the last word. A-Men. revmaaatin. funerals are not my only job, but when it is my job, regrettably, I always get the last word.

[Spike55]

Another problem with the KLR tank design is that the two forward low "points" never get cleared out. My buddy's, older KLR, had the points of his tank rust out because the water laid in there forever. Might be a good idea to add dry-gas periodically. Don R100, A6F

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Yan" wrote: > > The KLR FAQ has a section on gas that's left in the right side of the > tank even after you run dry on reserve. It says: > > To get at this gas in an emergency, tilt the bike over to the left as > far as possible, and start riding again. You may be able to repeat > this process a few times. > > Does anyone have first hand experience as to how much gas is actually > left there, how far can you get after every time you tilt the bike > over to the left, and how many times you can repeat the process? > Basically when I run out of reserve, do I have enough gas for say a > mile or two or more like 10-20 miles? > > Thanks. >

[Guest]

On Jul 20, 2006, at 9:41 AM, Spike55 wrote:

> Might be a good idea to add dry-gas periodically.

I tried to make some dry-gas one time. Put a bowl of high octane in the oven to dry it out. Don't recommend this approach. Matt Knowles - Ferndale, CA - http://www.knowlesville.com/matt/motorcycles '99 Sprint ST - for going fast and far (2CZUSA) '01 KLR650 (A15) - for exploring the North Coast backroads '97 KLX300 & '01 Lakota - for playing in the dirt '79 KZ400 - just because it was the first vehicle I ever owned