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[firefighter_joe05]

Marshall came over to my house with his Barbie... I mean "Easter Egg" bike last tonight. It had 14,000 miles on it, so was not sure what to expect. We started stripping stuff off. First thing we did was the T- mod. Then we drained the oil and broke into the case. Everything went great. His Doohickey AND spring were both intact. Eagle Mike - for your records, it would NOT adjust though. We put the new parts in and bolted it all back together. While the tank was off we did the 4 bolt subframe kit. We also went to do the carb mod, but found the plug had been cut off and it was already sitting at 1 3/4 turns out. So we put it back. We changed the oil filter and put some oil in it. It fired right up and sounded smooth. For those who think you can't do the 'doo yourselves - it is not that hard. Even a firefighter can do it.... Joe

[Marshall]

I'd like to thank Joe and Casey for all of their help last night. The doo went much smoother that I had anticipated. Probably because I had all the tools and help that I could have ever needed! By the way, I just bought 8 of the "Doohicky Inside" stickers from the cafe press site. If you'd like one let me know. I'll bring them on the prarie ride. Marshall --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "firefighter_joe05" wrote:

> > Marshall came over to my house with his Barbie... I mean "Easter

Egg"

> bike last tonight. It had 14,000 miles on it, so was not sure what

to

> expect. We started stripping stuff off. First thing we did was the

T-

> mod. Then we drained the oil and broke into the case. Everything

went

> great. His Doohickey AND spring were both intact. Eagle Mike - for > your records, it would NOT adjust though. We put the new parts in

and

> bolted it all back together. While the tank was off we did the 4

bolt

> subframe kit. We also went to do the carb mod, but found the plug

had

> been cut off and it was already sitting at 1 3/4 turns out. So we

put

> it back. We changed the oil filter and put some oil in it. It

fired

> right up and sounded smooth. > > For those who think you can't do the 'doo yourselves - it is not

that

> hard. Even a firefighter can do it.... > > Joe >

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Marshal, Glad to hear your Doo went well. Do I understand you have a Barbie bike too? Mine is torn up right now, here in Kuna, ID, getting a new top end. I am waiting on gaskets. Believe you me, that the Doohikey upgrade is easy in comparison. My best advice for anyone who wants to avoid going through what I am, Clean the filter REGULARLY! Daily if you are riding a lot of dirt. I am pretty sure that is why my bike pooped out at 15,000 miles. I know Casey and Joe and I am anxious to help get their bikes dirty. I want to extend and invitation to you to Join us on June 2 - 4 for the Steen's Mountain trip. Contact me off group at 208-869-7045 or email andyt59@.... -Andy BIFBR Luke 14:23 Andyt59@... Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:35 -0000 From: "Marshall" Subject: Re: A Boisean gets a new 'doo I'd like to thank Joe and Casey for all of their help last night. The doo went much smoother that I had anticipated. Probably because I had all the tools and help that I could have ever needed! By the way, I just bought 8 of the "Doohicky Inside" stickers from the cafe press site. If you'd like one let me know. I'll bring them on the prarie ride. Marshall --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "firefighter_joe05" wrote:

> > Marshall came over to my house with his Barbie... I mean "Easter

Egg"

> bike last tonight. It had 14,000 miles on it, so was not sure what

to

> expect. We started stripping stuff off. First thing we did was the

T-

> mod. Then we drained the oil and broke into the case. Everything

went

> great. His Doohickey AND spring were both intact. Eagle Mike - for > your records, it would NOT adjust though. We put the new parts in

and

> bolted it all back together. While the tank was off we did the 4

bolt

> subframe kit. We also went to do the carb mod, but found the plug

had

> been cut off and it was already sitting at 1 3/4 turns out. So we

put

> it back. We changed the oil filter and put some oil in it. It

fired

> right up and sounded smooth. > > For those who think you can't do the 'doo yourselves - it is not

that

> hard. Even a firefighter can do it.... > > Joe >

-----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 4:41 AM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Digest Number 7202 There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: A Boisean gets a new 'doo From: "Marshall" 2. Re: What tires would you recommend? From: "Jud Jones" 3. 650 KLR Reliability From: "streetman44" 4. Fw: To lower or not to lower From: "Fred Hink" 5. Re: Fw: To lower or not to lower From: "J Fortner" 6. Re: 650 KLR Reliability From: "PATRICK J. CASSELS" 7. Re: 650 KLR Reliability From: "James Morrow Sr" 8. Re: 650 KLR Reliability From: "Dooden" 9. Front sprocket change ? From: "ezdc66" 10. Question about the stock KLR tires... From: "Don Pendergraft" 11. Re: Front sprocket change ? From: "Dooden" 12. Re: Question about the stock KLR tires... From: "Marshall" 13. WTB shortened sidestand From: "Randy Shultz" 14. doohickey help ... From: "luke" 15. Re: doohickey help ... From: Blake Sobiloff 16. Re: Front sprocket change ? From: "Pat" 17. Stock Kick stand From: "colacacher509" 18. RE: Break-in and Synthetic From: "John Biccum" 19. Do-It-Yourself Brake Lines From: "Jim" 20. Re: Re: Front sprocket change ? From: "Carlos Rigdon" 21. Re: Break-in and Synthetic From: jokerloco9@... 22. Re: lost klr key.. From: "Eric and Amy" 23. I bought a KLR today From: tom smart 24. RE: Re: What tires would you recommend? From: "John Biccum" 25. Re: Front sprocket change ? From: "Don" ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:00:35 -0000 From: "Marshall" Subject: Re: A Boisean gets a new 'doo I'd like to thank Joe and Casey for all of their help last night. The doo went much smoother that I had anticipated. Probably because I had all the tools and help that I could have ever needed! By the way, I just bought 8 of the "Doohicky Inside" stickers from the cafe press site. If you'd like one let me know. I'll bring them on the prarie ride. Marshall --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "firefighter_joe05" wrote:

> > Marshall came over to my house with his Barbie... I mean "Easter

Egg"

> bike last tonight. It had 14,000 miles on it, so was not sure what

to

> expect. We started stripping stuff off. First thing we did was the

T-

> mod. Then we drained the oil and broke into the case. Everything

went

> great. His Doohickey AND spring were both intact. Eagle Mike - for > your records, it would NOT adjust though. We put the new parts in

and

> bolted it all back together. While the tank was off we did the 4

bolt

> subframe kit. We also went to do the carb mod, but found the plug

had

> been cut off and it was already sitting at 1 3/4 turns out. So we

put

> it back. We changed the oil filter and put some oil in it. It

fired

> right up and sounded smooth. > > For those who think you can't do the 'doo yourselves - it is not

that

> hard. Even a firefighter can do it.... > > Joe >

________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:44:14 -0000 From: "Jud Jones" Subject: Re: What tires would you recommend?

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "deadtvs" wrote: > > How come the Karoos never get many votes? The Karoos may work ok when new, but expect about 2000 miles or less out of the rear. That works out to three to five times $60 compared to $35 one time. Plus mounting, your time or your money, take your choice. Like all Metzelers, overpriced and overrated. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:31:23 -0000 From: "streetman44" Subject: 650 KLR Reliability Hello all, I am new here and have been over a few questions and comments...looks like alot of people know what they are talking about here! I am thinking of getting a 06' 650 KLR and wanted to know if anyone dislikes the bike that they would not recommend it. What about tire wear issues on the road...I want to ride it to work and back and with the option of taking it down the occasional dirt road. I appreciate any help you experts have...thanks alot!! John ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:31:44 -0600 From: "Fred Hink" Subject: Fw: To lower or not to lower ----- Original Message ----- From: "rick" To: DSN_KLR650-owner@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 10:17 PM Subject: Re: To lower or not to lower Pretty funny, changing the ride characteristics. I don't think so. When you lower the front and rear, as I have done on my wife's bike and mine, the characteristics are the same. Did I lose ground clearance, absolutely. Are the wife and I still going to have fun on our 5 week trip to Canada this coming July and our 12 week trip from Mexico to Panama Canal and back starting in December, absolutely. When I get back from both I'll let you know how bad our trip was because of the characteristics while you guys debate this on the discussion group. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "J Fortner" wrote: > > On 4/13/06, 4_stroke@... wrote: > > > > Just got a klr 650...with a Givi box on the back. At first it seemed too > > high and standing on the ground I could BARELY get on it. Now I stand on > > the left peg and vault over it. Is this acceptable form? > > > Yes > > Is the peg going to collapse. > > > No > > Can I get some advice from other 30" leg riders? > > > I also have a 30" inseam. I would strongly suggest against lowering the KLR > as it changes the ride charactersitics and makes the KLR underside more > likely to be damaged by terrain. With the suspension sag set correctly on my > A7 it is managable. > > Jim > Texas > A7 > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:46:05 -0500 From: "J Fortner" Subject: Re: Fw: To lower or not to lower On 4/14/06, Fred Hink wrote: > > > > Pretty funny, changing the ride characteristics. I don't think so. > When you lower the front and rear, as I have done on my wife's bike > and mine, the characteristics are the same. Have a good one... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:46 -0700 From: "PATRICK J. CASSELS" Subject: Re: 650 KLR Reliability Be very aware of the imatation KLR's.....If you look very hard there is a simalarity..........They are Green Just buy it and enjoy it Pat A19 Chick Magnet Red ----- Original Message ----- From: "streetman44" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 650 KLR Reliability > Hello all, > > I am new here and have been over a few questions and comments...looks > like alot of people know what they are talking about here! I am > thinking of getting a 06' 650 KLR and wanted to know if anyone dislikes > the bike that they would not recommend it. What about tire wear issues > on the road...I want to ride it to work and back and with the option of > taking it down the occasional dirt road. I appreciate any help you > experts have...thanks alot!! > > > John > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:11:17 -0400 From: "James Morrow Sr" Subject: Re: 650 KLR Reliability Your use would highly recommend the KLR. Good gas mileage, range, perfect for on road commuting and off road fun. Easy to work on, and as bullet proof as they get for the price, size. for occasional dirt roads you can get an 80/20 tire which will work real well on the road. I run 20/80 and still stick with the sport bike boys when I have to. On 4/14/06, streetman44 wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am new here and have been over a few questions and comments...looks > like alot of people know what they are talking about here! I am > thinking of getting a 06' 650 KLR and wanted to know if anyone dislikes > the bike that they would not recommend it. What about tire wear issues > on the road...I want to ride it to work and back and with the option of > taking it down the occasional dirt road. I appreciate any help you > experts have...thanks alot!! > > > John > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- James Morrow Sr Union, MO '00' RT + dual plug + Bunkhouse '00' BUSA + 15hp '05' KLR650 + big fun factor [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:24:10 -0000 From: "Dooden" Subject: Re: 650 KLR Reliability Ya but give the ole Sun a couple years and you will be riding a "pink" bike. Dooden A15 "Green" Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "PATRICK J. CASSELS" wrote: > > Be very aware of the imatation KLR's.....If you look very hard there is a > simalarity..........They are Green > > Just buy it and enjoy it > > Pat > A19 > Chick Magnet Red > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "streetman44" > To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 12:31 PM > Subject: [DSN_KLR650] 650 KLR Reliability > > > > Hello all, > > > > I am new here and have been over a few questions and comments...looks > > like alot of people know what they are talking about here! I am > > thinking of getting a 06' 650 KLR and wanted to know if anyone dislikes > > the bike that they would not recommend it. What about tire wear issues > > on the road...I want to ride it to work and back and with the option of > > taking it down the occasional dirt road. I appreciate any help you > > experts have...thanks alot!! > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:25:26 -0000 From: "ezdc66" Subject: Front sprocket change ? Hi guys: I just had my '06 in for 500m maintenance and was talking to the mechanic about street vs. off road riding. He said I could change the front sprocket if I do the majority of my riding on the road I guess effectively gearing the bike a bit lower ? Has anyone ever done this and if so what were the results ? What are the advantages/ drawbacks if any ? All thooughts are appreciated. Thanks, Sean ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:01:42 -0500 From: "Don Pendergraft" Subject: Question about the stock KLR tires... I would really like to go with a great 50/50 tire, but honestly, after the 3 miles of dirt from my house to the highway, most of my miles will be on the road. So, am I better of with an 80/20? That is what my brain tells me even though my heart says 50/50 (fantasies of motocross I guess). Does the 80 mean 80% street? Also, what ratio is the stock tire? What is your opinion of the stock tires? If it's an 80/20, am I good to go? I have read some great tire recommendations, but I'm not sure what the ratio is for let's say the Continental TKC80's. I hope to be buying a KLR within a few weeks. Thank you all. Don Pendergraft Kansas, OK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:48:14 -0000 From: "Dooden" Subject: Re: Front sprocket change ? Basically remove the OEM front sprocket and install a 14T, readjust chain and poof all done, Seem to reach for 6th gear alot, but makes 1st gear usable in the heavy stuff, and 2nd gear ridable at slow speed. Of course maybe your milage might drop reckon that all being subjective to how you ride. Dooden A15 Green Ape --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "ezdc66" wrote: > > Hi guys: > > I just had my '06 in for 500m maintenance and was talking to the > mechanic about street vs. off road riding. > He said I could change the front sprocket if I do the majority of my > riding on the road I guess effectively gearing the bike a bit lower ? > Has anyone ever done this and if so what were the results ? > What are the advantages/ drawbacks if any ? > All thooughts are appreciated. > Thanks, > > Sean > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:55:04 -0000 From: "Marshall" Subject: Re: Question about the stock KLR tires... I had the Metzler Sahara 3 on my DR650 and I'm convinced that they are the best 50/50 tire around. They had good grip on the road (peg dragging grip), and they hooked up well in the dirt. I got 4,000 miles out of the rear and 6,00 miles from the front. If you think the 80 street /20 dirt is more your style the Avon Gripster is a great choice. I have Michelin T-66's on my KLR now, and they suck in the dirt. Marshall --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Don Pendergraft" wrote: > > I would really like to go with a great 50/50 tire, but honestly, after the 3 > miles of dirt from my house to the highway, most of my miles will be on the > road. So, am I better of with an 80/20? That is what my brain tells me even > though my heart says 50/50 (fantasies of motocross I guess). Does the 80 > mean 80% street? Also, what ratio is the stock tire? What is your opinion of > the stock tires? If it's an 80/20, am I good to go? I have read some great > tire recommendations, but I'm not sure what the ratio is for let's say the > Continental TKC80's. I hope to be buying a KLR within a few weeks. Thank you > all. > > Don Pendergraft > Kansas, OK > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:16:29 -0000 From: "Randy Shultz" Subject: WTB shortened sidestand Anybody have a shortened sidestand that they no longer need and might want to sell, please drop me a line offline. Randy ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:40:22 -0000 From: "luke" Subject: doohickey help ... did the replacement a year ago ,, keep doing the outside chain adjuster ,,, doesn,t sound like it is adjust for a smoother chain ride ... ????? so i,m gonna take offf first cove r ,,, is there anything there i should be able to seee ,,,, or can i do & see the adjustment at this point ??? thanks in advance ,,, ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:56:36 -0700 From: Blake Sobiloff Subject: Re: doohickey help ... On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:40 PM, luke wrote: > keep doing the outside chain adjuster ,,, doesn,t sound like it is > adjust for a smoother chain ride ... ????? The sound of the chain adjusting, if it needs to, is very subtle. In fact, I've never heard my chain adjust, but that may just be me and my bike. > so i,m gonna take offf first cove r ,,, is there anything there i > should be able to seee ,,,, or can i do & see the adjustment at this > point ??? The spring should still be stretched a bit, e.g., applying tension to the doohickey. The doohickey should turn freely on the shaft. If it passes both those tests you should be good (but, of course, I'll defer to Eagle Mike and the other experts who've seen more doohickeys than a whore has seen things I can't talk about on a list with a Reverend on it. Happy Easter y'all! -- Blake Sobiloff http://sobiloff.typepad.com/> San Jose, CA (USA) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:00:20 -0000 From: "Pat" Subject: Re: Front sprocket change ? Although design engineers ought-a be the experts on these things, all final products are compromises. For my riding style & places I go, experience leads me to believe that the engine actually works less with the 14-tooth. Heck if you dyno'ed it or had a panel like a recip airplane with a MAP guage, it might prove the point - less lugging/overboost. At 220# I'm no lightweight, yet I consistently get 50-54mpg in mixed backroad, city and 65-70MPH freeway riding (70mph indicated = 5,000rpm). On a group ride with other KLR's with OEM front sprockets, I get AT LEAST as good, often better MPG. Above all, the 14 gear does make the lovable green beast much more sure-footed in rough stuff. I too have lost count of the times I've tried for 6th gear on the highway tho' - I'm livin' with it. The 15-tooth is in the toolbox in case I take a slab trip somewhere beyond 2 tanks of gas. A cheap, easy bit to try to satisfy yerself! Good luck! Pat M Pac-NW A14 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Dooden" wrote: > > Basically remove the OEM front sprocket and install a 14T, readjust > chain and poof all done, Seem to reach for 6th gear alot, but makes > 1st gear usable in the heavy stuff, and 2nd gear ridable at slow speed. > > Of course maybe your milage might drop reckon that all being > subjective to how you ride. > > Dooden > A15 Green Ape > > > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "ezdc66" wrote: > > > > Hi guys: > > > > I just had my '06 in for 500m maintenance and was talking to the > > mechanic about street vs. off road riding. > > He said I could change the front sprocket if I do the majority of my > > riding on the road I guess effectively gearing the bike a bit lower ? > > Has anyone ever done this and if so what were the results ? > > What are the advantages/ drawbacks if any ? > > All thooughts are appreciated. > > Thanks, > > > > Sean > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 17 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:08:16 -0000 From: "colacacher509" Subject: Stock Kick stand I cut 11/2 in off my kick stand i lowered my KLR now i want to put it back and need a stock kick stand do you have one for sale. colacacher@... ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:22:49 -0700 From: "John Biccum" Subject: RE: Break-in and Synthetic This is hardly a scientific sample but here is my experience: My A16 had 2002 miles on it when I bought it, it was seven months old but spent 4 months of that time in a garage under a cover. The previous owner swore that he broke it in exactly like the manual, gently, not going over the indicated RPM as described by the breakin sticker. Ever since I got it the bike has always used a little bit of oil (less than 6 oz per 3,000 miles). Then I cracked a piston and put in a new top end. The new top end was broken is as advised by Schnitz Racing, the people who did my machine work. They advised a break in period *much* different that Kawasaki, and I followed it to the letter: Engine was assembled using 10W-30 except the piston and rings which were assembled *dry*. Upon first startup idled bike for about 15 minutes to get it up to temp. Surprisingly, no smoke was noted upon startup so the rings seem to be nearly seated by the time the bike fired to life. Once warm, run 2/3 of max power roll ons followed by closing the throttle 100% and letting the engine brake the bike's speed. RPMs from 1300-5500. Oil change at 30 miles. Oil was dark, magnetic drain plug had ferrous "fuzz" on it, about what I would expect to see at a normal 2,500 mile oil change. Switched to 10W-40. Run 200 miles of mixed highway driving, RPM from 1300 to 6500. Lots of 2/3 max roll ons, lots of fully-closed throttle engine braking from speed. Some WFO roll-ons later in the 200 miles. This was Hoologan riding, I had to go a long way from my neighborhood so none of my teenagers witnessed me riding like a teenager Oil change at 200 miles (230 from new top end). Oil was clean, same color as new oil, zero ferrous "fuzz" noted on the magnetic drain plug. Switch back to 5W-50 Rotella-T synthetic, then ride normally. The bike has not used *any* measureable amount of oil in 3,500 miles. The lack of "Fuzz" at the 200 mile interval suggests to me that the new rings were fully broken in by that point. Lack of smoke on startup tells me that the rings were mostly broken in by the time that the engine fired. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 3:44 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Break-in and Synthetic My bike is still new, but I was wondering how many miles are required before switching to synthetic for this engine? Full break-in should be done by 500 miles (see below for my opinion of the factory specs), but I usually try to get 1000-1500 miles on a bike engine before changing over. I was also wondering about the break-in limits set by Kawasaki for this engine. As an engine machinist, I consider it a joke, but I would like to know how others feel. Modern engines are built with mych tighter machining specs than older engines which required long break-in periods. This is why I had to laugh when I read the 500 and 1000 mile limits which came with my bike. As an example of this, when I bought my Yamaha RX-1 snowmobile (essentially an R-1 streetbike engine), I stuck to the factory break- in requirements to the letter. But by the 500 mile mark I had used over 1 qt. of oil. By 2000 miles I was getting 300-400 miles to a qt., and by 4000 miles I was up to 100 miles/qt! Fortunately, due to keeping track of complaints to the dealer and Yamaha, I finally received a brand new engine...on them. I strongly believe that my "grandma" type of riding during the break-in period didn't let the rings seat properly, resulting in the oil usage. (leakdown test showed 25-35% leakdown across all 4 cylinders). Are there others on here who disagree with the factory break-in specs, or am I alone here? Jim Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 19 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 01:51:01 -0000 From: "Jim" Subject: Do-It-Yourself Brake Lines Has anyone on here plumbed up their own SS brake lines? Since I have quite a bit of experience with automotive brake systems, especially SS extended lines on lifted 4x4s, I was thinking about making up my own lines. I have seen front line kits for $50+, but in comparison, I should be able to make up my own for around $30-$35. $14 for a pair of banjo fittings, and $15-$20 for the stainless line. One question I have...does anyone know the diameter of the banjo bolts on our brake systems? I could always pull one, which I should have done before bleeding my brakes the other day, but I really don't feel like bleeding them again. Jim ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:57:32 -0400 From: "Carlos Rigdon" Subject: Re: Re: Front sprocket change ? On 4/14/06, Dooden wrote: > Basically remove the OEM front sprocket and install a 14T, readjust > chain and poof all done, Seem to reach for 6th gear alot, but makes > 1st gear usable in the heavy stuff, and 2nd gear ridable at slow speed. > > Of course maybe your milage might drop reckon that all being > subjective to how you ride. My mileage went up 57 last 3 tanks 52 -52 before. But lots of backroads 45 50 mph stuff on them. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:38:55 EDT From: jokerloco9@... Subject: Re: Break-in and Synthetic Interesting info. However, all the crud you describe finding at 30 mile oil change is pieces of your motor you just spent time rebuilding. It came from somewhere. It all came from the top end, as that is what you said you did. I have built my share of 800 HP drag motors, and maybe I assemble motors very clean, but I rarely get much of anything like that. When I bought my 06 KLR, I followed Kawi procedure, and added 1/2-3/4 accel and decel, somewhat like what you did. At 2000 miles, I also do not have any oil loss. Same thing on my 2003 Harley. At 7000 miles, zero oil loss (not counting normal contamination) By the way, the no smoke on start-up was because you had assembled the piston/cylinder dry. The smoke that is normally seen on start-up of a new motor is the extra oil still sitting in the cylinder from normal oily engine assembly. Not because of something superior from the M/C shop procedure you followed. When you started your motor, you basically ground the living crap out of the piston, cylinder, and rings until the oil splash started lubricating the cylinder. Hence metal and fuzz you pulled out at 30 mile oil change. I have to question the wisdom of doing this. All for the possibility of lower oil consumption? Who cares, oil is cheap. Is there more power available? Has anyone done a leakdown compression test? This shop probably knows what it is doing, and may specialize in race motors, that don't get a 500 mile break-in. Or they may never see 500 miles, period. I have a drag motor that has seen over 700 1/4 mile 10 second passes. That is a very old drag motor. Add up the mileage. My guess is 500-1000 miles on the motor driving around the track. Only thing done is oil changes. Oil consumption is negligable, and very good for a 7000 rpm WOT at most times motor. But how is the M/C shop quoted regarding 100,000 mile motors? As good as this shop is, I guess I can't believe they know as much as Kawi, Honda, Suzuki, Chrysler, GM, Ford, BMW, etc, etc. They all recommend a procedure similar to the KLR Kawi manual, and have been doing it for decades. Clearly some other posters here get 50,000-80,000 miles by following Kawi procedure. Those that don't, likely don't because they did not do proper maintenance like frequent oil changes. My guess is the M/C shop is a race shop, that is concerned with getting a motor to full power quickly, with little regard to 100,000 mile requirements. Would be interesting to see an engine teardown of your motor. It would be interesting to see where all of your metal from the oil change came from. Of course I don't expect you are going to do that. Find someone with a borescope and pull plug and look inside. I think you are in for a surprise. By the way, don' worry about it. If it runs good, just cruise it and forget it. Jeff A20 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 22 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:02:05 -0000 From: "Eric and Amy" Subject: Re: lost klr key.. Got the ignition back together in about 3 minutes. Everything works great, although when i got to the locksmith, the price had changed to $25, even though they had quoted $15 the day before on the phone. I talked them into giving me a second key included. Nice to be mobile again. thanks again for your tips. neverda thunk it would be that easy. --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric and Amy" wrote: > > Too bad i'm not a motorcycle thief... > I removed the 2 bolts to take off the entire fairing in about 30 > seconds, removed the 2 screws on the plastic cover under the cluster > in about 15 seconds, then the 2 nuts holding on the guage cluster in > about 30 seconds. I looked at the "security" bolts, and noticed 2 > screws next to them, so i said hmmmm. and then spent a few seconds > taking those off, and off popped my ignition... the top half. > > The bottom half with the electronic circuit board and bottom housing > is still there, held on by the security screws... but I don't need to > bring that part in to get the key made, only the lock itself. > Total time: about 5 minutes and $15 bucks to get a fresh key. > > Now I know not to leave my bike where somebody can throw it in the > back of a pickup truck and do the same thing. > > Thanks for the info and instructions. Looking forward to riding > again soon. > Eric. > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Eric and Amy" > wrote: > > > > how hard is it to remove the ignition... any how to guides out > there? > > i found a locksmith that can do it if i bring in the ignition for > $15 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 23 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:22:43 -0700 (PDT) From: tom smart Subject: I bought a KLR today I couldnt take it anymore. The suns out, gas is over $3 dollar a gallon and I walked into the dealer and got him down a few hundred and finished my day riding into the sunset with a new 2006 KLR650. Tomorrow I will wake up and ask myself what have I done? But I am sure it will pass and a smile wil appear as I fire it up and hit the road. yesssssssssssssssssssss Tom Northern California --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 21:57:35 -0700 From: "John Biccum" Subject: RE: Re: What tires would you recommend? The TKC80s are my favorite dual sport tire by far. IMHO they are the compromise tire that demands the least compromise. They seem to be great on the street and great in the dirt. I just read a couple of mails that said that they wear out fast, but that has not been my experience. I get about 4500-5000 miles to a rear and about 9K to a front. I have 7422 on the front now and it still not close to worn out, and that is with a big rotor on it. -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of closetwestie Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:53 PM To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: [DSN_KLR650] Re: What tires would you recommend? So I put out the same question on our local NW group and put the Cont. TKC80's on and drove into work today. I'm sold!!! Beats the hell out of the gripsters that I had on it over the winter, while nice these feel considerably more stable...even at speed. It will be a few weeks before I can play in the dirt so cant report on that, but I'm sure they will perform well there. They are steeper on price compared to some of the others, and as mentioned before might have a short lifespan. So far I'd buy them again. Don't think I'd replace them 4 times a year ($), but I was looking for a tire to get me thru the to the cold rain this fall and get me and my daughter out camping this summer. Any way as you can tell I'm recommending the TKC80's. Good Luck, Mike A12 --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > Another Hot "Don't buy!" Is the King 967. While it > does have incredible short conrnering ability at low > speed (it's an 82-20) it wobbles at high speed, and is > a constant wash in dirt and gravel. Scariest 5000 > miles I ever rode. I am running 606's right now, I am > loving the dirt, but break neck stuff on the street, > and they lock up at the slightest whim seeing as how > your on one knob most of the time. But there a hoot in > the dirt, thumpers a wheely machine right now. > --- Ronald Criswell wrote: > > > They wore too quick for me. > > > > Criswell > > > > On Apr 12, 2006, at 2:36 PM, ATO137528@... > > wrote: > > > > > The Kenda 270 is not a comfortable tire on > > pavement at all. The knobs > > > squirm all over the place, and it's downright > > frightening when leaning > > > hard. In the wet? No thanks. I've chunked knobs > > in gravel, too. A > > > usable tire if you only putter when you hafta' use > > some pavement. > > > Great in the dirt. Cheap, too. > > > > > > But if you want a GREAT tire and aren't afraid to > > pop the extra bucks, > > > get some Continental TKC-80's. Great on the > > pavement and great > > > anywhere off-road except mud and deep sand. Of > > course, if you want to > > > ride a 350+ pound KLR in mud or deep sand, well... > > You're in for a > > > bad > > > day regardless of your tire chice. > > > > > > I'm a few miles from buying my third set. > > > > > > Lamar > > > A14 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/ > > > klr650_data_search.html > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > www.dualsportnews.com > > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: > > www.dualsportnews.com > > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_KLR650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Brown > International Order of the KLR. > "yeh, unto the ride, the thumper, yeh, and it was good, and thine did rejoice" amen > matteeanne@... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 25 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:41:05 -0000 From: "Don" Subject: Re: Front sprocket change ? After reading the original post, I'm wondering if he's really more interested in hearing from those KLR riders that put a 16 tooth front sprocket on (road-orientation). It's been interesting though, to me, to see how a 14 tooth hasn't really reduce gas mileage that much but mucking around performance was improved. Don R100, A6F KLR --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Carlos Rigdon" wrote: > > On 4/14/06, Dooden wrote: > > Basically remove the OEM front sprocket and install a 14T, readjust > > chain and poof all done, Seem to reach for 6th gear alot, but makes > > 1st gear usable in the heavy stuff, and 2nd gear ridable at slow speed. > > > > Of course maybe your milage might drop reckon that all being > > subjective to how you ride. > My mileage went up 57 last 3 tanks 52 -52 before. But lots of > backroads 45 50 mph stuff on them. > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> Marshal, > > Glad to hear your Doo went well. Do I understand you have a Barbie

bike too? > No Andy, he has an "Easter Egg" bike!!! - LOL Joe

[revmaaatin]

Bottom posted below. revmaaatin.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Saline wrote: > > Listers, Don, > > Martin Earl just left for home. We had a fine time with his visit here. > We had a nice 50 smiles or so ride on Wednesday evening right after > Martin arrived. For those folks planning on riding in the Beautiful > Black Hills of South Dakota be warned the deer did well last winter and > I've never seen more than I did on our ride. Martin described it as like > herds of mice. We saw one herd of at least 40 deer and many herds of > 20-30 deers. All of these very near the road. On Thursday during the > day he got some errands finished while I was working. I got home and he > had his KLR ready to work on and also his KLX300 was stripped and ready > for a valve adjustment. We checked the valves and all needed different > shims. The local dealer is great about selling shims and had what we > needed in stock. I think for 3 shims Martin paid about $11. On Thursday > evening Martin took care of some Parish business in Spearfish about 60 > miles north while I attended my monthly fly fishing club meeting. On > Friday we finished the KLX valve adjustment and buttoned it up. Then we > started on his KLR and cleaned his and my air filters. After that we > started building sideracks for his Ortlieb Dry Saddlebags. That bending > and filing and welding and grinding takes a bit longer than I ever > remember but we had a good visit and lots of fun making them fit his > bike. We also swapped his left heated grip so it will be on low when the > right grip is on high. Of course when the heated grips are on low the > left side will now be on broil. But I think it'll work fine for now and > he'll probably only use them on high. We talked about it a bit and I > think if we were doing this again we'd swap the throttle and clutch side > heating elements when we installed the heaters and have the hotter side > on the throttle tube. Martin also flushed his forks and replaced the > fork oil with Bel-Ray 10wt. Only about 200 smiles earlier he'd flushed > and installed 15wt and although he thought it was ok he couldn't find any > locally to adjust the oil level. He also changed the spacers with the > Progressive springs from 2 1/2 inches to 2 1/8 inches. Last night we > didn't get a chance for a ride but we did bounce the front ends a few > times to compare my stock springs to his progressive springs with the 2 > 1/8" spacers. The progressive springs on his bike were just a bit > stiffer but the shorter spacers we both thought would improve the ride > and remove a bit of the harshness from the longer spacers. We had a fine > visit and got some good work done in the shop. It's been a busy 2 1/2 > days. > > I did take a few pictures of Martin's bike. I post some pictures of his > stock plastic handguards cut to fit on the Moose Barkbusters. To see > them take a look in the group photo albums in the folder called > "Handguards". > > Best, > > Jeff Saline > ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal > Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org > The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota > 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT > Hello list, Once again I have been 'victimized' by the benevolence of the dsn-klr- 650 community and in particular by the above poster, Jeff Saline. Almost three years ago, I read with envy about the DC corridor folks, Zack Mully, and others, that were having doohickey maintenance days, and tongue and cheek, asked if they would like to ride to South Dakota and have one in God's country. (I know its God's' country, hardly anyone else lives here!) Some fella named Jeff Saline said, hey, comes to Rapid City, SD, and we will have a doohickey party. Several emails and conversations later, I was in Rapid (as we call it here) and met Jeff, and what followed during the last two years is a bike that anyone could ride anywhere, a new found friend that you would do anything for, and an invitation to ride the GDR with 4 other guys I had never met. Of the three things listed, the most important to me is the friendship and knowledge I have gained from Jeff, and the collective wisdom of the KLR list. Jeff commented that we did some maintenance, but sadly, he failed to mention the (best part of wrenching is eating; and the choir said A-Men) rib steaks, the beautiful roast beef and incredible deer brats that we fixed to eat while we were working together. Jeff refers to the marinade as the 'Parsons secret Marinade', which I will share with you here. 'Parsons secret Marinade' Mix in a small mixing bowl 1/2 c. soy sauce 1/2+ c of vinegar (apple or fancy, even better) Heaping table spoon of brown sugar Healthy dash of olive oil Dash of crushed red peppers (to taste) 'Italian seasoning' (dried spices) Put enough in to cover most of the other ingredients (at least 2-4tablespoons) Heaping table spoon of crushed garlic Fresh ground pepper Stir ingredients together until sugar is melted. Take your meat, and fork it thoroughly so the ingredients can penetrate. Place the meat in a flat container, (I prefer air-tight) and pour the marinade over the meat. Cover, refrigerate. If the meat is thick, rotate it in the marinade during the day. I like it to marinade for at least 6, 12 hours better, 24 hours best. I use the marinade as a basting as the steaks cook. I usually use up all the marinade for basting as the steak cooks. Grill to your personal taste. (CAUTION; Pay attention!) When you pour the marinade on the steaks, you will get a little flash, as the olive oil and sugar burns, and the flames jump, this glazes the brown sugar stuck to the meat. We also cooked the roast in a crock-pot in its own marinade, soaked 12 hours in the same recipe, above. Goooood, stuff. We let the roast cool down and set for one day, eating it as a roast-beef sub the following day. Gooood, stuff, but I said that already. The deer brats; neither of us drink beer, so we forgot that you are 'supposed' to soak them in beer before bbq-ing them. They were still good. Fixed with chopped lettuce, Italian dressing, and a little mayo on a very nice bun. Wow. My mouth is watering just writing this. Did I mention, we also worked on the bikes.... and played dodge ball with the Black Hills deer, coming to a complete stop, again, and again, as the deer scattered for cover? It is nutz, so many deer. But Jeff said all that. I asked him yesterday, "You didn't know that you were going to adopt me, did you!" What I have learned, re-learned, experience from him, I am now sharing with the neighborhood kids that want to ride dirtbikes. A kind of pay it foward principal, from Jeff, to the kids in my community. I can't believe he did not mention the food! revmaaatin. who loves KLR's and the not-so 'secret recipe', but grills better than he wrenches (we all need to be good for something...)