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[Tony JONES]

See message 151210 for the gory detail but basically the mechanic pinched the edge of the diaphragm (had it sticking out of the edge of the carb on the right side rather than seated in the groove). Previously I just lifted the carb cap 1/2" and seated it but since I had the bike apart again I thought I'd check it thoroughly because of the lean spot. There are 2 tears in the edge where it was sticking out. One worse than the other. But both in the very outer portion that normally seats in the groove. www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/1.jpg www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/2.jpg www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/3.jpg Question is are these serious enough to require replacement of the diaphragm. I tend to think NOT, as it's just torn in the portion which sits in the groove of the carb body. Anyone disagree. If it needs replacing I'm gonna be tempted to go tear some mechanic ass, but last time I called him, he didn't seem remotely interested. Tony

[Chris Jennings]

They look fine to me. If you do replace it there is a Harly part # that is about half the price of the KLR part # . It's in the FAQ

On 3/8/06, Tony Jones wrote: > > > See message 151210 for the gory detail but basically the mechanic pinched > the edge of the diaphragm (had it sticking out of the edge of the carb on > the right side rather than seated in the groove). > > Previously I just lifted the carb cap 1/2" and seated it but since I had > the > bike apart again I thought I'd check it thoroughly because of the lean > spot. > > There are 2 tears in the edge where it was sticking out. One worse than > the > other. But both in the very outer portion that normally seats in the > groove. > > www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/1.jpg > www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/2.jpg > www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/3.jpg > > Question is are these serious enough to require replacement of the > diaphragm. > > I tend to think NOT, as it's just torn in the portion which sits in the > groove > of the carb body. Anyone disagree. > > If it needs replacing I'm gonna be tempted to go tear some mechanic ass, > but > last time I called him, he didn't seem remotely interested. > > Tony > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Dail]

If it were mine I would not replace it, both tears are in the area that seal and I've seen worse that still worked ok Dail

----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Jones" To: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: [DSN_KLR650] carb diaphragm question | | See message 151210 for the gory detail but basically the mechanic pinched | the edge of the diaphragm (had it sticking out of the edge of the carb on | the right side rather than seated in the groove). | | Previously I just lifted the carb cap 1/2" and seated it but since I had the | bike apart again I thought I'd check it thoroughly because of the lean spot. | | There are 2 tears in the edge where it was sticking out. One worse than the | other. But both in the very outer portion that normally seats in the groove. | | www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/1.jpg | www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/2.jpg | www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/3.jpg | | Question is are these serious enough to require replacement of the diaphragm. | | I tend to think NOT, as it's just torn in the portion which sits in the groove | of the carb body. Anyone disagree. | | If it needs replacing I'm gonna be tempted to go tear some mechanic ass, but | last time I called him, he didn't seem remotely interested. | | Tony | | | | Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html | List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com | List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html | Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 3/7/06 | | -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.0/276 - Release Date: 3/7/06

[Jeff Saline]

On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:19:37 -0800 Tony Jones writes:

> > See message 151210 for the gory detail but basically the mechanic > pinched > the edge of the diaphragm (had it sticking out of the edge of the > carb on > the right side rather than seated in the groove). > > Previously I just lifted the carb cap 1/2" and seated it but since I > had the > bike apart again I thought I'd check it thoroughly because of the > lean spot. > > There are 2 tears in the edge where it was sticking out. One worse > than the > other. But both in the very outer portion that normally seats in > the groove. > > www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/1.jpg > www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/2.jpg > www.tonyjones.com/klr/diap/3.jpg > > Question is are these serious enough to require replacement of the > diaphragm. > > I tend to think NOT, as it's just torn in the portion which sits in > the groove > of the carb body. Anyone disagree. > > If it needs replacing I'm gonna be tempted to go tear some mechanic > ass, but > last time I called him, he didn't seem remotely interested. > > Tony

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Tony, If that was on my bike I'd be replacing it. The tears might not affect anything but then again they might. Since it's your money you'll have to decide how much it's worth to not wonder about whether they are causing you problems. : ) If I was replacing it I'd first try the Harley part from the 883 engine. Best, Jeff Saline ABC # 4412 South Dakota Airmarshal Airheads Beemer Club www.airheads.org The Beautiful Black Hills of South Dakota 75 R90/6, 03 KLR650, 79 R100RT

[Tony JONES]

Jeff Saline wrote:

> If that was on my bike I'd be replacing it.

Jeff, somehow I figured you'd be on the replace it side of the fence If I replace it, I'm gonna feel obliged to stand up for myself and go stick it in the mechanics face ... and I really don't feel particularly confrontational right now. Sick of the whole thing. Wondering if some form of rubber cement might prevent it spreading further. If the damage was further in I'd say no way, but where it's located, it's possible. Tony

[Bogdan Swider]

> > Wondering if some form of rubber cement might prevent it spreading further. > If the damage was further in I'd say no way, but where it's located, it's > possible. >

Yup there is shade tree fix, Tony. It's worked for me for about 4 years. The diaphragm and slide for a klr are only sold as a unit and cost over $ 150. I'm told Harley sells the diaphragm separately but I couldn't find the Harley part locally. I was in a hurry as I was on the eve of a trip to Mexico. Planned on finding it when I got back but since the fix has worked so well I haven't bothered. In case anyone is interested: The diaphragm had a small tear at the bottom near were it fits over the rim of the slide. I think I tore it by letting it fold over on itself when re-installing the cover after inspecting the carb. A friend was helping me ( some of you know Rex ). He got on his computer and wrote to the lists he was on and accessed the various archives Someone ( wish I could give him credit, not a klr lister ) posted a fix that sounded good; He described a specific Napa product and he advised spraying the entire diaphragm. I used the product but I did something different. I went to Napa and bought the recommended Plastic Dip #756-2527. I removed the diaphragm and slide from the carb still attached in one piece and left them that way. I cleaned the diaphragm with some alcohol. I sprayed some of the Dip into its cap. I then took a flat toothpick and with that handy tool applied it to the tear. I let it dry for about 1/2 hour and repeated the procedure. I let it cure for 4 hours and installed it onto the carb. Putting the carb cap back on is the tricky part of the job; take your time, be careful and use common sense. The carb has worked well for 23k miles. I don't know if it will work on your wife's diaphragm. Bogdan

[Tony JONES]

> > Wondering if some form of rubber cement might prevent it spreading further. > > If the damage was further in I'd say no way, but where it's located, it's > > possible. > I did something different. I went to Napa and bought the recommended Plastic > Dip #756-2527.

FYI It's 7652527 (you swapped 56 and no -) I was thinking whether something simple like rubber cement would work, the kind of stuff you use to patch a tube -- as I already have some of that. Never having seen the NAPA stuff, I guess it's what you use to put a rubber coating onto tool handles etc, not sure whether it would work better. Tony

[GMac999]

Tony, I tried rubber cement on a 4 wheeler I have. It worked for a couple of months, but the fuel fumes dissolved it. I ended up replacing the slide/diaphragm on it. I wasn't lucky enough to find a Harley part that would interchange and had to pay RonAyers price on the replacement. Greg '95 A9 -----Original Message----- From: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Jones Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:12 AM To: Bogdan Swider Cc: DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [DSN_KLR650] carb diaphragm question

> > Wondering if some form of rubber cement might prevent it

spreading

> > further. If the damage was further in I'd say no way, but where

it's

> > located, it's possible. > I did something different. I went to Napa and bought the

recommended

> Plastic Dip #756-2527.

FYI It's 7652527 (you swapped 56 and no -) I was thinking whether something simple like rubber cement would work, the kind of stuff you use to patch a tube -- as I already have some of that. Never having seen the NAPA stuff, I guess it's what you use to put a rubber coating onto tool handles etc, not sure whether it would work better. Tony Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 Yahoo! Groups Links __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

[Bogdan Swider]

> >> I did something different. I went to Napa and bought the recommended Plastic >> Dip #756-2527. > > FYI It's 7652527 (you swapped 56 and no -) > > I was thinking whether something simple like rubber cement would work, the > kind of stuff you use to patch a tube -- as I already have some of that. > > Never having seen the NAPA stuff, I guess it's what you use to put a rubber > coating onto tool handles etc, not sure whether it would work better. > > Tony

Sorry about that. Thanks for the correction. I like rubber cement but not for this application. I'd be afraid that, without something on top of it, the rubber cement would come off - but who knows. I do know that the Napa stuff worked for me. Bogdan

[Jim]

Carb. Diaphragm Repair link: http://www.rctvonline.net/xs11/carbdiaphragmrepair.html Although I'm no artist, I have a selection of palette knives that I use for all sorts of larger spreading tasks(glues, sealers, fillers, etc.), and they are time savers and give great results. I still use toothpicks, cotton swab shafts, and small dowels for the small jobs. FWIW Jim A17

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Bogdan Swider wrote: > > > > > > > Wondering if some form of rubber cement might prevent it spreading further. > > If the damage was further in I'd say no way, but where it's located, it's > > possible. > > > > Yup there is shade tree fix, Tony. It's worked for me for about 4 years. > The diaphragm and slide for a klr are only sold as a unit and cost over > $ 150. I'm told Harley sells the diaphragm separately but I couldn't find > the Harley part locally. I was in a hurry as I was on the eve of a trip to > Mexico. Planned on finding it when I got back but since the fix has worked > so well I haven't bothered. In case anyone is interested: The diaphragm had > a small tear at the bottom near were it fits over the rim of the slide. I > think I tore it by letting it fold over on itself when re-installing the > cover after inspecting the carb. A friend was helping me ( some of you know > Rex ). He got on his computer and wrote to the lists he was on and accessed > the various archives Someone ( wish I could give him credit, not a klr > lister ) posted a fix that sounded good; He described a specific Napa > product and he advised spraying the entire diaphragm. I used the product but > I did something different. I went to Napa and bought the recommended Plastic > Dip #756-2527. I removed the diaphragm and slide from the carb still > attached in one piece and left them that way. I cleaned the diaphragm with > some alcohol. I sprayed some of the Dip into its cap. I then took a flat > toothpick and with that handy tool applied it to the tear. I let it dry for > about 1/2 hour and repeated the procedure. I let it cure for 4 hours and > installed it onto the carb. Putting the carb cap back on is the tricky > part of the job; take your time, be careful and use common sense. > The carb has worked well for 23k miles. I don't know if it will work on your > wife's diaphragm. > > Bogdan >