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Conall
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stolen design, scumbags!!!

Post by Conall » Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:18 pm

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote:
> > KLR650.COM: What is the owners name and business address, and what is > your relationship to it?
(HI) I sold the domain klr650.com to them. Why that would bother some people I don't know, but I can say that it does. Big deal, I was the first person to get the name and I sold it. I mean there is still klr650.net which Glenn uses. I forget the names of the ownwers as I have no contact with them,I email sales if I have any questions. they are located in Wash. state. I get my MEFO Sport Exporer tires from them, and I have created a webpage reviewing the tires. http://www.angelfire.com/co/klr650/rearaxle4.html
> > Personally, I don't buy from businesses that don't list an address up > front. > > Jim A17
Seriously?You've never bought something on Ebay? Wow you are missing out on some great deals. All depends on your comfort level I guess, but I'm never afraid to ask questions before I buy. Best Regards, Conall http://www.klr650.cc

Dave in Moraga
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stolen design, scumbags!!!

Post by Dave in Moraga » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:43 pm

--- Conall wrote: ...
> I forget the names of the ownwers as I have no contact with them, I
email sales if I have any questions. they are located
> in Wash. state.
...
You have links to their page from your web site. They have a link to your page from their web site. That makes it appear that you have some relationship to them. Do you want to be associated with trash? Most excellent regards, Dave Moraga, CA __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com

Jim
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stolen design, scumbags!!!

Post by Jim » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:49 pm

Thanks for the info. Conall. I was going CRAAAZY over this whole thing. I know I'll sleep better tonight. ;-) BTW, thanks for all your valuable input here and info. on your site. Jim A17
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Conall" wrote: > > --- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Jim" wrote: > > > > KLR650.COM: What is the owners name and business address, and what is > > your relationship to it? > > (HI) > I sold the domain klr650.com to them. Why that would bother some > people I don't know, but I can say that it does. Big deal, I was the > first person to get the name and I sold it. I mean there is still > klr650.net which Glenn uses. > I forget the names of the ownwers as I have no contact with them,I > email sales if I have any questions. they are located in Wash. state. > I get my MEFO Sport Exporer tires from them, and I have created a > webpage reviewing the tires. > > http://www.angelfire.com/co/klr650/rearaxle4.html > > > > > Personally, I don't buy from businesses that don't list an address up > > front. > > > > Jim A17 > > Seriously?You've never bought something on Ebay? Wow you are missing > out on some great deals. > All depends on your comfort level I guess, but I'm never afraid to ask > questions before I buy. > > Best Regards, > > Conall > http://www.klr650.cc >

cactus_reese
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Post by cactus_reese » Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:52 pm

Thanks everyone. We will target late April or May. -Bryan
--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, TH wrote: > > In my experience, I would say wait til April, bit warmer, less rain. Fred is probably your best reference here though since he lives there. > > TH > A19 > SLC, UT > > cactus_reese wrote: Is the weather good in March for riding the White Rim trail or is > later better? > -Bryan > > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com > List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Member Map at: http://www.frappr.com/dsnklr650 > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Eric Sumpter
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stolen design, scumbags!!!

Post by Eric Sumpter » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:26 pm

I work in an industry (Venture Capital Backed companies that product system level computing and data storage products) where tens of millions of dollars are invested in product development and it often results in a mere 12 month time to market advantage before someone rips you off. (usually someone that you disclosed your product to because they were "interested in an OEM deal"). If you file enough patents you have the privilige of going broke litigating the case or you can just steel yourself and try to outperform them. Seems wrong, but bottom line, thats the world we live in. If you need more evidence, go to Walmart and take a close look at many of the products they sell there. The package looks like the brand you are familiar with, but upon close inspection you will see it is a knock off. Walmarts procurement function alledgedly will threaten a supplier with "Meet our cost goals or we will go to Asia and get a knock off product instead". Meaning no disrespect, the Duchin Dash is a piece of Aluminum with holes in it. If the competitors part has the exact same holes in the exact same places it is curious fact, but probably not a crime. Unless Mr. Duchin filed some very specific copyrights, I would guess its a lost cause. (I dont think you can patent holes in aluminum). There's a thousand precedent examples.... Bottom line, you have to vote with your wallet and do business with those that you want support. That will vary by individual. Eric Message: 8 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:41:50 -0000 From: "Conall" Subject: Re: Stolen design, SCUMBAGS!!!
> Holy crap, Critchfield, who pissed on your
Post-Toasties? Jay has been
> a worthwhile and respectable member of this group
for a long time. For
> longer than KLR650.com has been known as a source of
knock-off products,
> in fact. I know that Conall will say otherwise, but
what KLR650.com
> does is NOT a manifestation of free enterprise.
They do NOT say,
> "there's an interesting dashboard/fork brace/etc.,
but I can make a
> better one." They simply make direct knockoffs. >
i don't like this type of dealings either so to speak. I've been on this list a long time and could argue either side of this argument. I have the right to change my mind if I want to but I don't like the tone of this so I'm going defensive and now that I've been dragged into the fray, I'm going to respond. Quite simply,any company that wants to set itself apart from the rest of the market needs to consider intellectual-property protection. I don't believe any patents are pending on any of the products reverse engineered (copied) by Studebaker, correct me if I'm wrong. You could take 5 yrs to develop something, if you don't get patent or copyright protection someone can knock it off overnight. Legal protection of the property is key to securing licensing deals and venture capital. If the parties who feel they have been infringed had a patent or copyright a simple letter to MASH could possibly resolve things short of filing a lawsuit. Conall-

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