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[Rick McCauley]

Exactly ! Get to your Church, Red Cross, or wherever contributions can be made or collected. Rick A17 scott quillen wrote: Blake, You make good points and my response is not directed at you but the others on this list who believe they could do such a MUCH BETTER job of providing relief than those currently involved in that process. The arrogance displayed by some on this list is mind-boggling! Typical Monday-morning quarterbacking... "the govt. should do this or do that" "the response is too little too late" "the administration has their head up their arse..." People...you need to get a grip...this is the worst natural disaster experienced by this country since what...1906 or whenever that quake was in SF??? Some of y'all act like we shoulda been training/preparing all along on how to deal with a disaster of this scope...GET REAL!!! This IS A FIRST of its kind!!!! How 'bout trying to help instead of bashing the crap out of those who actually are makinng an effort...even if you don't believe it's adequate. Some of these posts on this subject just make me SICK!!! What have you done to help the situation??? Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Conall]

And if you want your donations to buy Pat Robertson some mining equipment for his South African diamond mines there is " Operation Blessing" who also gets our tax dollars from FEMA and endorsed by BUSH. What a racket.

--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCauley wrote: > Exactly ! > > Get to your Church, Red Cross, or wherever contributions can be made or collected. > > Rick A17 > > > scott quillen wrote: > Blake, > > You make good points and my response is not directed > at you but the others on this list who believe they > could do such a MUCH BETTER job of providing relief > than those currently involved in that process. > > The arrogance displayed by some on this list is > mind-boggling! Typical Monday-morning > quarterbacking... > > "the govt. should do this or do that" > > "the response is too little too late" > > "the administration has their head up their arse..." > > People...you need to get a grip...this is the worst > natural disaster experienced by this country since > what...1906 or whenever that quake was in SF??? > > Some of y'all act like we shoulda been > training/preparing all along on how to deal with a > disaster of this scope...GET REAL!!! This IS A FIRST > of its kind!!!! > > How 'bout trying to help instead of bashing the crap > out of those who actually are makinng an effort...even > if you don't believe it's adequate. > > Some of these posts on this subject just make me > SICK!!! > > What have you done to help the situation??? > > Scott >

[Rick McCauley]

Hi Eric. I believe Scott's main point was that the damage is done. Let's do something instead of bashing and pointing fingers, and arguing amoungst ourselves. Your point about this country not being like it was 40 years ago is a different issue. By the way, I agree with you totally. It is obvious there have been some changes that are holding us back. My thoughts on that; 1. Why can't we go in a whip a few 3rd world "dipsticks" with AK47's MY OPINION - War now has to be politically correct, and humane. How many times have you seen a bunch of "towel heads" standing around on the news waving their AK47's in the air with anti-America signs. CURE - That's easy, when you have them all crowded together, drop a bomb. Or if you know there are a bunch held up somewhere, get the women and children out, leave, and drop bomb. 2. Why can't we get a shuttle off the ground without it blowing up? MY OPINION - Cost savings CURE - Stop buying inferior material from 3rd world countries, and make people here responsible for the quality of their work. 3. Why do we need a bunch of paperwork before we can do something to help those who obviously need it? MY OPINION - Lawyers CURE - Judges that throw out lawsuits that are ridiculous, and make re-embersment what it shoud be. Not 6 digit figures. I like what you said about kicking people in the pants for saying it can't be done. It can be done, and sometimes it takes a few screwups to make it work. Just keep at it. I think that liberalist thinking is destroying our nation. I know many will find many reasons to pick apart this posting. But it is just my opinion, and it won't change the world. But if you look at what's going on in businesses today, you have to admit, it has to be at least "partly" true. Best Rick A17 Eric Lee Green wrote: scott quillen wrote: You make good points and my response is not directed

>at you but the others on this list who believe they >could do such a MUCH BETTER job of providing relief >than those currently involved in that process. > >

Well, the problem is that in the past, disasters of this sort WERE handled better. But that was back when the United States was a can-do nation, that could win the greatest war this world has ever seen, build the Interstate highway system, and send a man to the moon. Nowdays we can't win a war against a bunch of dipstick pray'n'spray insurgents in Iraq, our highways are crumbling, and our Shuttle won't fly without pieces falling off of it. Now it seems that all anybody wants to do is parse legalities and make excuses for why things can't be done. I kick the rear of any of my subordinates who whine that something is impossible, and I sure don't want to hear it from my politicians that things are impossible, I want them to DO it, dadburn it! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Eric Lee Green]

Rick McCauley wrote:

>Hi Eric. >I believe Scott's main point was that the damage is done. Let's do something instead of bashing and pointing fingers, and arguing amoungst ourselves. >

Err, that was my point. Scott was making excuses as to why things weren't being done to help the people in the city I love, people who were trapped in New Orleans in the Superdome and convention center with no food or water and no way out, pointing fingers as to who was to blame yada yada. I called bull****. Don't tell me why it can't be done, *DO* it. And yes, that's what I said when I called my Congresspeople and etc. It took far too long, but some people finally got the message, those people are finally getting the help they need. I don't put up with whiny excuse-makers whether they are the people I manage or this nation's politicians. Don't tell me why you can't do something. Tell me how you're going to do it, and tell me what you need from me in order to do it. Sheesh. This is a big nation, a wealthy nation, a nation that has a lot of resources, a nation that has a lot of people who will help in any way possible if told what they need to do in order to help. You're a leader with troops and FBI and stuff under your command, you need resources to help the people of New Orleans, tell us what you need and you'll have it. But by god, don't make excuses as to why you can't do it. I don't care who's to blame and I don't want to hear any excuses and I sure as **** don't want to hear denial that we got a problem at all. We got a problem, by god, so let's fix it!

>I like what you said about kicking people in the pants for saying it can't be done. It can be done, and sometimes it takes a few screwups to make it work. Just keep at it. > >I think that liberalist thinking is destroying our nation. > >

"Liberalist thinking" won World War II and created the Interstate Highway System and took this nation to the Moon and did a number of good things in this nation's past. "Liberalist thinking" is that we are a great nation, we can do any bleepin' thing we set our hands to, and by god don't give us excuses as to why things can't be done, tell us how you're going to do it and what we need to do to help! Don't tell me that we, the richest nation on the face of this earth, can't provide medical care to each and every American. Tell us, the American people, how it can be done, what you need from us, and then let's do it! Don't tell me that we, the greatest nation on the face of this earth, can't do something about the miserable educational system in the poorer states and inner cities. Tell us how it can be done, tell us what you need from us, then let's do it! By god, once we were a can-do nation, all this whiny excuse-making and finger-pointing and blame-mongering just drives me nuts. We're the greatest f'ing nation on the face of this Earth, by god don't tell me why we CAN'T do things, let's decide what we're going to do, what we need to do it, and then by god let's DO it! And if this "liberalist thinking" is an evil thing, then I guess that makes me a by-god evil person. All I know is that when the Republicans told FDR that he couldn't nationalize all U.S. industry to make the weapons needed to fight Hitler's evil because it was illegal, FDR told them to stuff it up their bungholes and did what it took to win this nation's greatest war. That's "liberalist thinking" -- that when people's lives are at stake, f*** the law. Do what it takes to save people's lives. Then worry about the legal stuff *later*. Because if it's a choice between a person's life and some dusty piece of paper in a courthouse somewhere, I by god know where *my* priorities lay, and it ain't on the side of the whiny excuse-makers. And if that thinking, that we're the greatest nation on this planet and can do anything we put our minds to do, is "liberalist thinking", then, by god, count me a liberal. -E

[scott quillen]

Eric, I think you've got me confused with someone else...I wasn't making excuses - I was talking about how sickening the Monday Morning quarterbacking has been - people pointing fingers and acting like they could do it so much better...which is just a bunch of hot air since this country hasn't been faced with a disaster of this scope in our or our parents' lifetime. Nothing worse than a bunch of windbags spouting nothing but nonsense...blah, blah blah... Your so-called "get it done" is just empty, hollow words!!!! It IS GETTING DONE...just because it's not within your fictitious, TOTALLY UNREALISTIC timetable doesn't mean it's not happening. Get a (REAL) life... Respectfully, Scott --- Eric Lee Green wrote:

> Rick McCauley wrote: > > >Hi Eric. > >I believe Scott's main point was that the damage is > done. Let's do something instead of bashing and > pointing fingers, and arguing amoungst ourselves. > > > > Err, that was my point. Scott was making excuses as > to why things > weren't being done to help the people in the city I > love, people who > were trapped in New Orleans in the Superdome and > convention center with > no food or water and no way out, pointing fingers as > to who was to blame > yada yada. I called bull****. Don't tell me why it > can't be done, *DO* > it. And yes, that's what I said when I called my > Congresspeople and > etc. It took far too long, but some people finally > got the message, > those people are finally getting the help they need. > I don't put up with > whiny excuse-makers whether they are the people I > manage or this > nation's politicians. Don't tell me why you can't do > something. Tell me > how you're going to do it, and tell me what you need > from me in order to > do it. Sheesh. This is a big nation, a wealthy > nation, a nation that has > a lot of resources, a nation that has a lot of > people who will help in > any way possible if told what they need to do in > order to help. You're a > leader with troops and FBI and stuff under your > command, you need > resources to help the people of New Orleans, tell us > what you need and > you'll have it. But by god, don't make excuses as > to why you can't do > it. I don't care who's to blame and I don't want to > hear any excuses and > I sure as **** don't want to hear denial that we got > a problem at all. > We got a problem, by god, so let's fix it! > > >I like what you said about kicking people in the > pants for saying it can't be done. It can be done, > and sometimes it takes a few screwups to make it > work. Just keep at it. > > > >I think that liberalist thinking is destroying our > nation. > > > > > "Liberalist thinking" won World War II and created > the Interstate > Highway System and took this nation to the Moon and > did a number of good > things in this nation's past. "Liberalist thinking" > is that we are a > great nation, we can do any bleepin' thing we set > our hands to, and by > god don't give us excuses as to why things can't be > done, tell us how > you're going to do it and what we need to do to > help! Don't tell me that > we, the richest nation on the face of this earth, > can't provide medical > care to each and every American. Tell us, the > American people, how it > can be done, what you need from us, and then let's > do it! Don't tell me > that we, the greatest nation on the face of this > earth, can't do > something about the miserable educational system in > the poorer states > and inner cities. Tell us how it can be done, tell > us what you need from > us, then let's do it! By god, once we were a can-do > nation, all this > whiny excuse-making and finger-pointing and > blame-mongering just drives > me nuts. We're the greatest f'ing nation on the face > of this Earth, by > god don't tell me why we CAN'T do things, let's > decide what we're going > to do, what we need to do it, and then by god let's > DO it! And if this > "liberalist thinking" is an evil thing, then I guess > that makes me a > by-god evil person. All I know is that when the > Republicans told FDR > that he couldn't nationalize all U.S. industry to > make the weapons > needed to fight Hitler's evil because it was > illegal, FDR told them to > stuff it up their bungholes and did what it took to > win this nation's > greatest war. That's "liberalist thinking" -- that > when people's lives > are at stake, f*** the law. Do what it takes to save > people's lives. > Then worry about the legal stuff *later*. Because if > it's a choice > between a person's life and some dusty piece of > paper in a courthouse > somewhere, I by god know where *my* priorities lay, > and it ain't on the > side of the whiny excuse-makers. And if that > thinking, that we're the > greatest nation on this planet and can do anything > we put our minds to > do, is "liberalist thinking", then, by god, count me > a liberal. > > -E > > > > > Archive Quicksearch at: >

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[Rick McCauley]

Sounds like conservative thinking to me. Rick A17 Eric Lee Green wrote:

> >I think that liberalist thinking is destroying our nation. > >

"Liberalist thinking" won World War II and created the Interstate Highway System and took this nation to the Moon and did a number of good things in this nation's past. "Liberalist thinking" is that we are a great nation, we can do any bleepin' thing we set our hands to, and by god don't give us excuses as to why things can't be done, tell us how you're going to do it and what we need to do to help! Don't tell me that we, the richest nation on the face of this earth, can't provide medical care to each and every American. Tell us, the American people, how it can be done, what you need from us, and then let's do it! Don't tell me that we, the greatest nation on the face of this earth, can't do something about the miserable educational system in the poorer states and inner cities. Tell us how it can be done, tell us what you need from us, then let's do it! By god, once we were a can-do nation, all this whiny excuse-making and finger-pointing and blame-mongering just drives me nuts. We're the greatest f'ing nation on the face of this Earth, by god don't tell me why we CAN'T do things, let's decide what we're going to do, what we need to do it, and then by god let's DO it! And if this "liberalist thinking" is an evil thing, then I guess that makes me a by-god evil person. All I know is that when the Republicans told FDR that he couldn't nationalize all U.S. industry to make the weapons needed to fight Hitler's evil because it was illegal, FDR told them to stuff it up their bungholes and did what it took to win this nation's greatest war. That's "liberalist thinking" -- that when people's lives are at stake, f*** the law. Do what it takes to save people's lives. Then worry about the legal stuff *later*. Because if it's a choice between a person's life and some dusty piece of paper in a courthouse somewhere, I by god know where *my* priorities lay, and it ain't on the side of the whiny excuse-makers. And if that thinking, that we're the greatest nation on this planet and can do anything we put our minds to do, is "liberalist thinking", then, by god, count me a liberal. -E Archive Quicksearch at: http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: www.dualsportnews.com List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Yahoo! Groups Links --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Bill Benda MD]

I've worked disaster medical relief for 20 years, including the summer of 94 in Rwanda. Although relief for the Gulf "is getting done," it was initiated far later than needed be. It took three days for those in positions of leadership to seriously address this crisis, as it took three days for them to publicly mention the tsunami in Asia and offer an initial $15 million aid. The entire concept of disaster relief begins when we first realize the potential for disaster, which is the foundational premise of all non-governmental organizations (NGOs). There is accountability at all levels of management with regards to anticipation and preparation. There is in addition separate accountability for the incompetence of our initial response, and although we may each chose where to place this accountability, every relief organization on the planet will confirm that it indeed exists. We are motorcycle riders. Those with far more experience will sift through the evidence and report what the facts are. I personally find it painful that we choose to attack each other. Bill Benda MD

On 9/3/05 1:31 PM, "scott quillen" wrote: > Eric, > > I think you've got me confused with someone else...I > wasn't making excuses - I was talking about how > sickening the Monday Morning quarterbacking has been - > people pointing fingers and acting like they could do > it so much better...which is just a bunch of hot air > since this country hasn't been faced with a disaster > of this scope in our or our parents' lifetime. > > Nothing worse than a bunch of windbags spouting > nothing but nonsense...blah, blah blah... > > Your so-called "get it done" is just empty, hollow > words!!!! > > It IS GETTING DONE...just because it's not within your > fictitious, TOTALLY UNREALISTIC timetable doesn't mean > it's not happening. > > Get a (REAL) life... > > Respectfully, > Scott > > --- Eric Lee Green wrote: > >> Rick McCauley wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric. >>> I believe Scott's main point was that the damage is >> done. Let's do something instead of bashing and >> pointing fingers, and arguing amoungst ourselves. >>> >> >> Err, that was my point. Scott was making excuses as >> to why things >> weren't being done to help the people in the city I >> love, people who >> were trapped in New Orleans in the Superdome and >> convention center with >> no food or water and no way out, pointing fingers as >> to who was to blame >> yada yada. I called bull****. Don't tell me why it >> can't be done, *DO* >> it. And yes, that's what I said when I called my >> Congresspeople and >> etc. It took far too long, but some people finally >> got the message, >> those people are finally getting the help they need. >> I don't put up with >> whiny excuse-makers whether they are the people I >> manage or this >> nation's politicians. Don't tell me why you can't do >> something. Tell me >> how you're going to do it, and tell me what you need >> from me in order to >> do it. Sheesh. This is a big nation, a wealthy >> nation, a nation that has >> a lot of resources, a nation that has a lot of >> people who will help in >> any way possible if told what they need to do in >> order to help. You're a >> leader with troops and FBI and stuff under your >> command, you need >> resources to help the people of New Orleans, tell us >> what you need and >> you'll have it. But by god, don't make excuses as >> to why you can't do >> it. I don't care who's to blame and I don't want to >> hear any excuses and >> I sure as **** don't want to hear denial that we got >> a problem at all. >> We got a problem, by god, so let's fix it! >> >>> I like what you said about kicking people in the >> pants for saying it can't be done. It can be done, >> and sometimes it takes a few screwups to make it >> work. Just keep at it. >>> >>> I think that liberalist thinking is destroying our >> nation. >>> >>> >> "Liberalist thinking" won World War II and created >> the Interstate >> Highway System and took this nation to the Moon and >> did a number of good >> things in this nation's past. "Liberalist thinking" >> is that we are a >> great nation, we can do any bleepin' thing we set >> our hands to, and by >> god don't give us excuses as to why things can't be >> done, tell us how >> you're going to do it and what we need to do to >> help! Don't tell me that >> we, the richest nation on the face of this earth, >> can't provide medical >> care to each and every American. Tell us, the >> American people, how it >> can be done, what you need from us, and then let's >> do it! Don't tell me >> that we, the greatest nation on the face of this >> earth, can't do >> something about the miserable educational system in >> the poorer states >> and inner cities. Tell us how it can be done, tell >> us what you need from >> us, then let's do it! By god, once we were a can-do >> nation, all this >> whiny excuse-making and finger-pointing and >> blame-mongering just drives >> me nuts. We're the greatest f'ing nation on the face >> of this Earth, by >> god don't tell me why we CAN'T do things, let's >> decide what we're going >> to do, what we need to do it, and then by god let's >> DO it! And if this >> "liberalist thinking" is an evil thing, then I guess >> that makes me a >> by-god evil person. All I know is that when the >> Republicans told FDR >> that he couldn't nationalize all U.S. industry to >> make the weapons >> needed to fight Hitler's evil because it was >> illegal, FDR told them to >> stuff it up their bungholes and did what it took to >> win this nation's >> greatest war. That's "liberalist thinking" -- that >> when people's lives >> are at stake, f*** the law. Do what it takes to save >> people's lives. >> Then worry about the legal stuff *later*. Because if >> it's a choice >> between a person's life and some dusty piece of >> paper in a courthouse >> somewhere, I by god know where *my* priorities lay, >> and it ain't on the >> side of the whiny excuse-makers. And if that >> thinking, that we're the >> greatest nation on this planet and can do anything >> we put our minds to >> do, is "liberalist thinking", then, by god, count me >> a liberal. >> >> -E >> >> >> >> >> Archive Quicksearch at: >> > http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/klr650_data_search.html >> List sponsored by Dual Sport News at: >> www.dualsportnews.com >> List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: >> www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html >> >> >> Yahoo! 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[Rick McCauley]

Me too. I believe it was Scott Quillen that said that many postings ago. Rick A17 Bill Benda MD wrote: I personally find it painful that we choose to attack each other. Bill Benda MD __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scott quillen]

Thanks Rick... I'm glad someone CORRECTLY remembers what I said... Regards, Scott --- Rick McCauley wrote:

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