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[Don Van Dyke]

So lets see. Stu calls Steve an S. Head, and someone else points out that such language is below the belt. Rather than be an adult and apologize, Stu makes a big show of it and threatens to fall on his sword, hoping to gain sympathy of other listers. His ploy works. Because Stu is POPULAR, some listers beg him to stay. In fact one of the listers, who apparently can't distinguish between criticism and personal attack, defends Stu, and another lister backhandedly joins Stu by also calling Steve and S. head. So, Stu gets away with hurling epithets at a fellow lister who had the honesty and courage to express a view that challenged the paradigm and ruffled some feathers. This kind of behavior, and the flames that I am sure will follow this posting, is bullying, and discourages others listers who think differently than the vocal minority from sharing their views. Ultimately we all loose. I don't want Stu to unsubscribe either. But I'd like to encourage the Steves on this list to express their views. Opinions that challenge us or makes us uncomfortable point to our own weaknesses. Diversity of opinions can only make the list more interesting. At 11:24 PM 2/11/2005 +0000, sdheaslet wrote:

>As a long-time lurker who used to frequent the discussions on the list >in the late 1990's and onward, I can understand CA Stu's apparent >position. I have never met Mr. CA Stu Mumford in person, having >missed him a time or two at Moab, but from what I know he's an >insightful man with a global perspective. Over the years he has made >me laugh til I cried, and offered technical and philosophical >perspectives that no one else could. If Stu stops participating, then >he would go the way of Gino Pokluda, Sir Kurt Simpson, Redondo Ron and >a number of others who were the founding members and brilliant forces >behind this most unusual forum. I hope Stu sticks around, but from my >own experience would understand why he might think there are other >ways to spend his time. > >Stuart aka "Fireball" >Cedar, Michigan > > >--- In DSN_KLR650@yahoogroups.com, "Kathleen Tyre" wrote: > > > > > > > Stu, > > Don't do it. It's not allowed. > > You are too integral a part of this list to leave. > > Kathleen > > '92 Yamaha TDM > > '99 Kawa KLR

Don Van Dyke Sacramento, California Moto@... www.intellection.org

[John Kokola]

Man, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't like seeing/hearing about that stuff. Onya for going through with it. --John Kokola -----Original Message----- From: Keith Saltzer Sent: Feb 12, 2005 3:58 PM It took everything that I had in me just to get it done. I get WAAYYYY woosy over medical talk, and cutting/bleeding stuff.