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[clint lee jin yew]

hi guys, ( & gals?) as most of those who have read my cooling related questions. i have new ones on 20w60 weight oil as mentined earlier , the weather here is summer all the time (22- 34+deg C) all year round. will 20w60 engine oil be good for my klr? my brother tested it on his r1100gs. he says its sluggish when its cold but ok when warm. but then i was told that the r100gs does not have a thermostat. since the klr has a thermostat to keep the engine temp under control it shouldn't be a problem right? clint

[squasher_1]

--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "clint lee jin yew" wrote:

> hi guys, ( & gals?) > > as most of those who have read my cooling related questions. i have > new ones on 20w60 weight oil > > as mentined earlier , the weather here is summer all the time (22- > 34+deg C) all year round. > > will 20w60 engine oil be good for my klr? > > my brother tested it on his r1100gs. he says its sluggish when its > cold but ok when warm. but then i was told that the r100gs does not > have a thermostat. > > since the klr has a thermostat to keep the engine temp under

control

> it shouldn't be a problem right? > > clint

I have run 20w50 oil in the KLR with no problem. I cant see where 20w60 would make that much difference. The only thing that heavy oil would do to a cold engine is make it turn over slower with the starter. but once it fired up the heavier oil shouldn't be noticable. I saw some Shell Aviation 100w at samms club. I wonder how that would work???

[Harry Seifert]

You'd really have a flyin' KLR. LOL I've used the Shell 60W aviation oil in my kick-start only 450 Ducati and haven't seen any difference over Castrol 20/50 as far as resistance felt when kicking it over. What's the price and quantity available at Sam's? Buddy from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert bseifert71@...

> [Original Message] > From: squasher_1 > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 6/5/04 8:00:09 AM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: 20w60 oil > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "clint lee jin yew" > wrote: > > hi guys, ( & gals?) > > > > as most of those who have read my cooling related questions. i have > > new ones on 20w60 weight oil > > > > as mentined earlier , the weather here is summer all the time (22- > > 34+deg C) all year round. > > > > will 20w60 engine oil be good for my klr? > > > > my brother tested it on his r1100gs. he says its sluggish when its > > cold but ok when warm. but then i was told that the r100gs does not > > have a thermostat. > > > > since the klr has a thermostat to keep the engine temp under > control > > it shouldn't be a problem right? > > > > clint > > > I have run 20w50 oil in the KLR with no problem. I cant see where > 20w60 would make that much difference. The only thing that heavy oil > would do to a cold engine is make it turn over slower with the > starter. but once it fired up the heavier oil shouldn't be > noticable. I saw some Shell Aviation 100w at samms club. I wonder > how that would work??? > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ

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[Norm Keller]

After reading this thread for a bit I have to ask the question, "Why would you want to go that heavy for motor oil on a liquid cooled machine?" An air cooled, around town in hot conditions might warrant that heavy an oil but by the time the temperature is high enough to thin 60 wt oil enough to affect oil pressure other nasties are likely to happen. Please don't misunderstand, it is your KLR and since any advantages or disadvantages will not affect others you are perfectly at liberty..... IMO (44 years dealing with engine powered devices) people have atendency to run too heavy an oil viscosity. As long as the viscosity is sufficient to allow oil pressure to be maintained at a reasonable level there is nothing to be gained by heavier (more viscous, higher SAE number) oil. On the other side of the coin, heavier oil will: 1) take longer to reach sufficient flow to critical areas such as cam lobes. 2) require more power to rotate parts in the more viscous liquid. 3) operate the oil pump pressure relief valve wider open so extra load will be placed on the oil pump drive to no good effect. Just wondering. Norm By the way, don't confuse oil viscosity numbers between different oil classifications. Engine oil is numbered from zero to 60 (if memory serves), gear oils are numbered 70 to around 150 (can't remember seeing higher SAE gear oil numbers), aircraft viscosity numbers may not correspond with automotive (can't remember). A 60 weight motor oil is a lot heavier (thicker) than a 70 weight gear oil. Just pick up a bottle of each and shake them. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[squasher_1]

I checked on the price today at sams club, But it's not 100Weight. It says 100w on the box, but it's really 50 weight. It costs $26.?? a case of 12. --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" wrote:

> You'd really have a flyin' KLR. LOL > > I've used the Shell 60W aviation oil in my kick-start only 450

Ducati and

> haven't seen any difference over Castrol 20/50 as far as resistance

felt

> when kicking it over. > > What's the price and quantity available at Sam's? > > Buddy > > from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert > bseifert71@m... > > > > [Original Message] > > From: squasher_1 >

I saw some Shell Aviation 100w at samms club. I wonder

> > how that would work??? > > > >

[Tim]

Do not, I repeat, do not use AVIATION OIL in anything other then an AIRPLANE engine. Period. This stuff will not give your engine the protection that you need in a modern engine. Remember, our general aviation engines have not been changed, redesigned or up graded since the day they were certified. They have lots and lots of blow by and very big oil galleries. Ask your pilot friends how much oil they use per hours (notice I said HOUR) of flying. Blows out, burns and just disappears. Aircraft engines Operate much lower temps at high pressure points and do not have any of the additives that makes for good lubrication qualities. Reason, blow by, if you've ever seen a spark plug from airplane engine, check out the gap. Magneto powered. The additives would put the plug out and really make for a bad day. My Friend that owns a Ducati, I'll let you talk to two of my friends that owned 911's and one of them seized up. Both pilots, I was talking to a Mobil engineer about what oil to use in a Auto conversion to Aircraft application and at that time they were producing Mobil 1 aviation oil. He called me back and told me not to use any thing other then auto oil in auto spec engines. I learned more about oil at that point then I really needed or wanted to. I called my buddy up and told him and he took the Shell aviation Multi grade out of his 911, it was to late for the other one. Give it a try guys, but it won't help your engine and it will damage it for sure, see what happens, but it's not worth the money. By the way, I used Mobil 1, auto oil in the engine and it worked real good and lasted a long time. Longer then I wanted to keep it and it's in Canada now being flown. Tim

----- Original Message ----- From: "squasher_1" To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:08 PM Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: 20w60 oil > I checked on the price today at sams club, But it's not 100Weight. It > says 100w on the box, but it's really 50 weight. It costs $26.?? a > case of 12. > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" > wrote: > > You'd really have a flyin' KLR. LOL > > > > I've used the Shell 60W aviation oil in my kick-start only 450 > Ducati and > > haven't seen any difference over Castrol 20/50 as far as resistance > felt > > when kicking it over. > > > > What's the price and quantity available at Sam's? > > > > Buddy > > > > from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert > > bseifert71@m... > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: squasher_1 > > > > > I saw some Shell Aviation 100w at samms club. I wonder > > > how that would work??? > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[matteeanne@yahoo.com]

It cracks me up what some people will try in a vain attempt to "improve" on perfection. Your best bet, if you really care about your KLR is to use any motoroil (viscosity depends on temperatures, read the manual dammit) and change it often, and never go above read line. The damb bike will last forever assuming you gave it a proper break in. This is true for any engine really. My Honda has 180000 miles and runs as well as the day I bought it, as have all my vehicles. Aviation oil? Sheesh! --- Tim wrote:

> Do not, I repeat, do not use AVIATION OIL in > anything other then an AIRPLANE > engine. Period. This stuff will not give your > engine the protection that > you need in a modern engine. Remember, our general > aviation engines have > not been changed, redesigned or up graded since the > day they were certified. > They have lots and lots of blow by and very big oil > galleries. Ask your > pilot friends how much oil they use per hours > (notice I said HOUR) of > flying. Blows out, burns and just disappears. > Aircraft engines Operate > much lower temps at high pressure points and do not > have any of the > additives that makes for good lubrication qualities. > Reason, blow by, if > you've ever seen a spark plug from airplane engine, > check out the gap. > Magneto powered. The additives would put the plug > out and really make for a > bad day. > > My Friend that owns a Ducati, I'll let you talk to > two of my friends that > owned 911's and one of them seized up. Both pilots, > I was talking to a > Mobil engineer about what oil to use in a Auto > conversion to Aircraft > application and at that time they were producing > Mobil 1 aviation oil. He > called me back and told me not to use any thing > other then auto oil in auto > spec engines. I learned more about oil at that > point then I really needed > or wanted to. I called my buddy up and told him and > he took the Shell > aviation Multi grade out of his 911, it was to late > for the other one. Give > it a try guys, but it won't help your engine and it > will damage it for sure, > see what happens, but it's not worth the money. By > the way, I used Mobil > 1, auto oil in the engine and it worked real good > and lasted a long time. > Longer then I wanted to keep it and it's in Canada > now being flown. > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "squasher_1" > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:08 PM > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: 20w60 oil > > > > I checked on the price today at sams club, But > it's not 100Weight. It > > says 100w on the box, but it's really 50 weight. > It costs $26.?? a > > case of 12. > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" > > > wrote: > > > You'd really have a flyin' KLR. LOL > > > > > > I've used the Shell 60W aviation oil in my > kick-start only 450 > > Ducati and > > > haven't seen any difference over Castrol 20/50 > as far as resistance > > felt > > > when kicking it over. > > > > > > What's the price and quantity available at > Sam's? > > > > > > Buddy > > > > > > from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert > > > bseifert71@m... > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: squasher_1 > > > > > > > > > I saw some Shell Aviation 100w at samms club. I > wonder > > > > how that would work??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >

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[Tim]

Hey, if you want to start a fight, go out to the airport and ask a group of pilots which oil is the best to use. Multi grade or straight weight. Shell has yet to prove that multi grade is better for the engine. Every year at Sun & Fun and Oshkosh they get asked if they have any proof showing how there very expensive multi grade reduces wear. They've yet to publish any thing showing that it does. Go figure. Tim

----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Tim" ; DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com>; "squasher_1" Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: 20w60 oil > It cracks me up what some people will try in a vain > attempt to "improve" on perfection. Your best bet, if > you really care about your KLR is to use any motoroil > (viscosity depends on temperatures, read the manual > dammit) and change it often, and never go above read > line. The damb bike will last forever assuming you > gave it a proper break in. This is true for any engine > really. My Honda has 180000 miles and runs as well as > the day I bought it, as have all my vehicles. > Aviation oil? Sheesh! > --- Tim wrote: > > Do not, I repeat, do not use AVIATION OIL in > > anything other then an AIRPLANE > > engine. Period. This stuff will not give your > > engine the protection that > > you need in a modern engine. Remember, our general > > aviation engines have > > not been changed, redesigned or up graded since the > > day they were certified. > > They have lots and lots of blow by and very big oil > > galleries. Ask your > > pilot friends how much oil they use per hours > > (notice I said HOUR) of > > flying. Blows out, burns and just disappears. > > Aircraft engines Operate > > much lower temps at high pressure points and do not > > have any of the > > additives that makes for good lubrication qualities. > > Reason, blow by, if > > you've ever seen a spark plug from airplane engine, > > check out the gap. > > Magneto powered. The additives would put the plug > > out and really make for a > > bad day. > > > > My Friend that owns a Ducati, I'll let you talk to > > two of my friends that > > owned 911's and one of them seized up. Both pilots, > > I was talking to a > > Mobil engineer about what oil to use in a Auto > > conversion to Aircraft > > application and at that time they were producing > > Mobil 1 aviation oil. He > > called me back and told me not to use any thing > > other then auto oil in auto > > spec engines. I learned more about oil at that > > point then I really needed > > or wanted to. I called my buddy up and told him and > > he took the Shell > > aviation Multi grade out of his 911, it was to late > > for the other one. Give > > it a try guys, but it won't help your engine and it > > will damage it for sure, > > see what happens, but it's not worth the money. By > > the way, I used Mobil > > 1, auto oil in the engine and it worked real good > > and lasted a long time. > > Longer then I wanted to keep it and it's in Canada > > now being flown. > > Tim > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "squasher_1" > > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:08 PM > > Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: 20w60 oil > > > > > > > I checked on the price today at sams club, But > > it's not 100Weight. It > > > says 100w on the box, but it's really 50 weight. > > It costs $26.?? a > > > case of 12. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Seifert" > > > > > wrote: > > > > You'd really have a flyin' KLR. LOL > > > > > > > > I've used the Shell 60W aviation oil in my > > kick-start only 450 > > > Ducati and > > > > haven't seen any difference over Castrol 20/50 > > as far as resistance > > > felt > > > > when kicking it over. > > > > > > > > What's the price and quantity available at > > Sam's? > > > > > > > > Buddy > > > > > > > > from the enlightened KLR of Harry Seifert > > > > bseifert71@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > > From: squasher_1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some Shell Aviation 100w at samms club. I > > wonder > > > > > how that would work??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > > courtesy of Chris Krok at: > > www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at > > www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris > > Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com/ > > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >

[Devon]

rv4flyer@... wrote:

>Hey, if you want to start a fight, go out to the airport and ask a group of >pilots which oil is the best to use. Multi grade or straight weight. Shell >has yet to prove that multi grade is better for the engine. Every year at >Sun & Fun and Oshkosh they get asked if they have any proof showing how >there very expensive multi grade reduces wear. They've yet to publish any >thing showing that it does. Go figure. >

It would hardly suprise me that multigrade avatiation oil wouldn't make a significant difference. The whole point of multigrade oil is cold starts- and when I was taking flying lessons, if a plane was going to be flown in cold weather it was put in a heated hanger the night before. Engine is started, run for several hours without stopping, then the plane is put away. When does the multigrade have any time at low temps? Devon

[rm@richardmay.net]

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Dooden wrote:

>I just mounted 270's and the bike likes to right itself in corners, I >have heard this before about the 270's also, lean it hard in corners and >by the time your coming out of the corner the bike is fighting to be back >upright.

It's the rear that's responsible for this behavior. The front K270 combined with a "rounder" rear tire (as opposed to the flat K270) handles just fine. I still don't care much for the K270 front. RM