One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. RM>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. >>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to coast >>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden appearance >>of deer and left turning cars etc. >Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not sure which >seat works best for that technique.
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rm@richardmay.net
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Alan L Henderson
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Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa> >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to coast >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden appearance >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not sure which >>seat works best for that technique. > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > >RM >
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PauL M. Bober
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Alan, your right not everyone uses counter steering. I teach counter
steering in my MSF and Rider's Edge Riding Classes.
Here is the easy way to explain it to the uninitiated: The counter steering
process works well. It is the easy way to turn a motorcycle. You shift the
center of gravity and contact patch from the center tall part of the tire to
the shorter radius of the shoulder of the tire. Less distance to travel on
every rotation of the tire will allow for the motorcycle following an easier
path of travel though a curve. Counter steering can be done at a speed as
low as 8 miles an hour. Counter steering does not directly involve your
butt. It may seem lie it as you lean the motorcycle after the initial handle
bar movement. The press of the handlebars forward (like a jab in boxing), as
apposed to merely pressing down on the bar ends, will cause the bike to feel
like it goes in the wrong direction for just a second. Hence the expression
'counter steer'. The motorcycle will 'fall away from' the turn as the
handle bar movement causes the motorcycle to steer in the direction opposite
of the intended final direction. Then, you press down on the inside handle
bar end. It follows that the sensation of pressing on the downside of the
motorcycle, would feel like your using your butt. Actually your butt is
following the front of the motorcycle.
Easiest way to remember counter steering is press the bar straight forwards
on the side you wish to go, then press down on the turn side. Look right,
press right .... Go right!
I know I have stirred up a can of worms. Sorry.
PauL M. Bober
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan L Henderson [mailto:alhenderson@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:39 PM
To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR
Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. Alan Henderson A13 Iowa List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to coast >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden appearance >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not sure which >>seat works best for that technique. > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > >RM >
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Keith Saltzer
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I don't understand what you mean about "push down on the bar". When
I want to turn fast, I pull one side and push the other side, while
weighting the outside peg. After learning this, and practicing it
alot, it is trully incredible just how fast a bike can be leaned over
from one peg to the other.
MrMoose
A8 (Barbie and Ken special)
--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober"
wrote:
steering> Alan, your right not everyone uses counter steering. I teach counter > steering in my MSF and Rider's Edge Riding Classes. > > Here is the easy way to explain it to the uninitiated: The counter
shift the> process works well. It is the easy way to turn a motorcycle. You
the tire to> center of gravity and contact patch from the center tall part of
travel on> the shorter radius of the shoulder of the tire. Less distance to
an easier> every rotation of the tire will allow for the motorcycle following
speed as> path of travel though a curve. Counter steering can be done at a
your> low as 8 miles an hour. Counter steering does not directly involve
initial handle> butt. It may seem lie it as you lean the motorcycle after the
boxing), as> bar movement. The press of the handlebars forward (like a jab in
bike to feel> apposed to merely pressing down on the bar ends, will cause the
expression> like it goes in the wrong direction for just a second. Hence the
the> 'counter steer'. The motorcycle will 'fall away from' the turn as
opposite> handle bar movement causes the motorcycle to steer in the direction
handle> of the intended final direction. Then, you press down on the inside
of the> bar end. It follows that the sensation of pressing on the downside
butt is> motorcycle, would feel like your using your butt. Actually your
forwards> following the front of the motorcycle. > > Easiest way to remember counter steering is press the bar straight
Look right,> on the side you wish to go, then press down on the turn side.
coast> press right .... Go right! > > I know I have stirred up a can of worms. Sorry. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan L Henderson [mailto:alhenderson@m...] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:39 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR > > > > > >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. > >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to
appearance> >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden
sure which> >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > > > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >>seat works best for that technique. > > > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > > > >RM > > > Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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PauL M. Bober
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The movement you describe is the same as what I described, just in a
different viewpoint. Although weighting the outside foot a lot at a higher
speed requires a little advanced body mechanics. On lower speed curves and
corners, I tell the to weight the outside and move the bars. For higher
speed turning, I have the students practice pointing their inside turn elbow
down towards the ground.
Again, different words for the same action. I think we all would agree that
the movement is the important part, not the wording.
PauL M. Bober
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Saltzer [mailto:k.saltzer@...]
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:23 PM
To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR
I don't understand what you mean about "push down on the bar". When
I want to turn fast, I pull one side and push the other side, while
weighting the outside peg. After learning this, and practicing it
alot, it is trully incredible just how fast a bike can be leaned over
from one peg to the other.
MrMoose
A8 (Barbie and Ken special)
--- In DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com, "PauL M. Bober"
wrote:
steering> Alan, your right not everyone uses counter steering. I teach counter > steering in my MSF and Rider's Edge Riding Classes. > > Here is the easy way to explain it to the uninitiated: The counter
shift the> process works well. It is the easy way to turn a motorcycle. You
the tire to> center of gravity and contact patch from the center tall part of
travel on> the shorter radius of the shoulder of the tire. Less distance to
an easier> every rotation of the tire will allow for the motorcycle following
speed as> path of travel though a curve. Counter steering can be done at a
your> low as 8 miles an hour. Counter steering does not directly involve
initial handle> butt. It may seem lie it as you lean the motorcycle after the
boxing), as> bar movement. The press of the handlebars forward (like a jab in
bike to feel> apposed to merely pressing down on the bar ends, will cause the
expression> like it goes in the wrong direction for just a second. Hence the
the> 'counter steer'. The motorcycle will 'fall away from' the turn as
opposite> handle bar movement causes the motorcycle to steer in the direction
handle> of the intended final direction. Then, you press down on the inside
of the> bar end. It follows that the sensation of pressing on the downside
butt is> motorcycle, would feel like your using your butt. Actually your
forwards> following the front of the motorcycle. > > Easiest way to remember counter steering is press the bar straight
Look right,> on the side you wish to go, then press down on the turn side.
coast> press right .... Go right! > > I know I have stirred up a can of worms. Sorry. > > PauL M. Bober > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan L Henderson [mailto:alhenderson@m...] > Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 12:39 PM > To: DSN_klr650@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [DSN_klr650] Re: Topic - NKLR > > > > > >>>I am proposing that not every one uses counter steering to turn. > >>>What's more I am proposing that you could ride from coast to
appearance> >>>without ever having to counter steer, ruling out the sudden
sure which> >>>of deer and left turning cars etc. > > > >>Some claim that they steer the rear wheel with their ass. Not
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> >>seat works best for that technique. > > > >One that's connected to a shaft-driven motorcycle, obviously. > > > >RM > > > Or one with a belt driven or chain drive or one that is coasting. > Alan Henderson A13 Iowa > > List sponsored by Dual Sport News at www.dualsportnews.com. List FAQ > courtesy of Chris Krok at: www.bigcee.com/klr650faq.html > Unsubscribe by sending a blank message to: > DSN_klr650-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com . > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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Hmm, unforutnatly this happens even without the gas tank full. I've gone over 130 miles on this tank so far (so over 1/2 emtpy), and it was still piddling today. Looks like the vapors are coming out of the key hole, instead of the vent, and then condensing when they exit the key hole. Thanks for the tip about the round side covers. --Terry> the only thing I can say about the cap is, dont fill up the tank all > the way. sorry
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